Jonathan M. Metzl is the mainstream media’s go-to guy for sound bites about psycho-killers. Back in 2015, the professor of sociology and psychiatry and the Director of the Center for Medicine, Health, and Society at Vanderbilt University wrote Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Politics of American Firearms. Rehashed ever since, most recently in a Politico polemic, Dr. Metzl’s paper counters the claim . . .
that “gun violence” is a mental health issue. He points out that shrinks rival dentists in their ability to predict which patients will go postal (paraphrasing).
Yes, well, in the cases his paper references — Newtown spree killer Adam Lanza and Aurora mass murderer James Holmes — both killers were clearly crazy and known to mental health professionals. In fact, Holmes’ psychiatrist was so concerned about her patient’s [freely admitted] desire for violence she had him ejected from school.
Even though Dr. Metzl’s paper promotes gun control — an area well outside his wheelhouse but popular with his peers — he makes a convincing case that the vast majority of firearms-related crimes have nothing to do with mental health issues.
Mind you, that’s crime. Not suicide, obviously, which accounts for almost two-thirds of America’s firearms-related fatalities.
In the Politico version — I’m a Psychiatrist Get Me Out of Here. Making Gun Violence About Mental Health Is a Crazy Idea. — Dr. Metzl once again wanders off the mental health reservation to call for civilian disarmament:
In the broader sense, asking us to diagnose mass shooters in isolation feels impossible without addressing the larger contexts that surround the rise in mass shootings in the United States, like the dramatic increase in civilian owned assault rifles and other weapons of mass casualty.
Many current analyses link this expansion to trends in mass shootings. As the New York Times recently put it, “the only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.”
Yet this expansion of guns in everyday life has gone hand in hand with a narrowing of the rhetoric through which U.S. culture talks about the role of guns and shootings. Insanity in the aftermath of mass shootings then becomes the only politically safe place to discuss charged issues such as gun violence prevention or strategies for public safety.
Sure. People are only focusing on the fact that Sutherland Springs spree killer Devin Kelley escaped from a mental institution as a way to deflect from a wider discussion about how to remove “weapons of mass casualty” from civilized society. A category that doesn’t include pressure cookers, apparently.
Psychiatrists are eager to help reduce gun violence. But when politicians ask us to predict the impossible, or reduce complex social phenomena into “mental health” issues, it’s often just an excuse for their own failure to address the problem.
Because the mental health professionals who “treated” Mssrs. Lanza, Holmes and Kelley (amongst other mass murderers) bear no responsibility for failing to intervene to stop the slaughter their patients inflicted on innocent life. Well, that’s one theory . . .
She’s a Shania Twain wannabe. That don’t impress me much.
Shania’s anti-gun also.
I reckon what she is really saying is that she is tired of selling records.
That’s okay. I am tired of hearing her voice.
Because only a small percentage of mental health patients become spree killers, just like 0% of NRA members do. Logic, see?
Gee… it seems to me that back in the day we institutionalized people who were a danger to themselves or others rather than just drugging them to the gills.
Considering how many of the people in Chicago who kill other people have long, long criminal records before they do such yet serve very little time on average you’d think thConsidering we know that the at they would pay attention to that. But it’s a solution that’s not politically correct.
“Making Gun Violence About Mental Health Is Nuts”. MAKING ? ? ?
“Making” Gun Violence About
A N Y T H I N G
Is Nuts.
If you’d care to postulate why some of the more, shall we say, FING POS (D) areas of our great Nation are sucking 3rd World stupid due to evil POS (D) policies and churning out a steady supply of “dead-enders” at the same time president Ohole was importing new ones, that’s fine. It’ll be preaching to the choir, but fine. BUT MAKING IT __________________ (something) sounds like standard POS (D) manipulation [a/k/a: never let a crisis (made by the POS (D) and their minions) go to waste Ballerina Rahm Emmanuel].
This falling out of the mouth of a ‘psych professional’ makes us want to chuck the whole industry.
Pull trigger gun goes bang. Rinse and repeat often. We as civilians dont own any military weapons. Simple thruth.
Real truth. I don’t care what Timmy and Faith want or believe in also truth.
Heh.
I majored in psychology, y’know what was so easy about it? I could spout darned near any BS babble in a paper and get an “A” on it as long as I could explain that it reflected a subjects true feelings. 🤠
“Psychiatrist: “Making Gun Violence About Mental Health Is Nuts”
OH, okay, well we know violence is linked to liberalism, and liberalism IS a mental disorder, so…
I pretty much agree with the video, I would also add a sling for any general purpose rifle.
Solid sdvice… Nice Suit!!!
basic 3-9×40 cheap Amazon optic, single point sling, quad rail, and maybe a bipod, I usually use it as a coyote killer, so it works just fine, the other ar15 is only different in the barrel and handguard, works just as well, maybe a touch more accurate. bedside pistol gets the flashlight.
I really like my left-hand Stag AR and would do just about anything for it. But, I do not want the damn thing turning tricks!
Thong carry. Guys never see it coming.
Nice look’in gat and beautiful gams, this dame is well put together.
A 1911 is like a dame… beautiful but dangerous. 😉
Damn baby, you take nice care of that… OH SHIT! Why do you have a gun?!
Nov. 10, 2017 7:50 pm
Never trust a blonde or a 1911.
B.A.D lever.
It’s the only thing Stoner forgot.
Cigar holder.
3-9 scope and a bipod if you use it for hunting.
Hey big boy, my hammer is cocked. How ‘bout yours.
Mental illness has very little to do with murder or mass murder. I’ve know people who are certified crazy with paperwork. Have never hurt anyone or anything. Kind.giving and hard working who just want a good life. I know people who are crazy as hell and don’t know they are. Some get by on medication and some talk it out. None of them have ever shown signs of anger or violence. The factor that makes the difference is evil. Very few murderers even mass murderers are crazy in any form of the diagnosis. They are generally intelligent with the ability to think and plan out their attacks. They often have a grudge or an axe to grind against someone or some group. They know they will most likely die. In their own minds that is a small price to pay for the completion of their mission. To remove the problem and right the wrong. Vengeance is strong when one feels slighted.People sometimes just get fed up with the shit and don’t care anymore. Nothing crazy just fed up. Mix in a little anger and a touch evil revenge and you gut yourself a murder/mass murder. No crazy, No mental problem. Just evil incarnate. Whether wth a gun,a car. a plane,a knife or with bare hands. It’s simply an act of evil. Not Crazy. KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY
“I told you what would happen if you ordered another pizza with pineapple on it…”
I think it looks incredible and it will be made more accurate as time goes by.
I am in California so I won’t ever be able to buy one, but if I could, I would buy immediately.
Because I’m not Emnanuel, God with us, who became human, for the purpose of dying in order to pay for the sins of the world. So, it’s not my job to let myself be killed unjustly.
Yes it would have worked but to work the States and Military must comply with the Brady Law to turn over mental records to it and we must vet all gun purchases as well as have safe storage laws which would prevent tens of thousands of guns from being stolen or funneled (second hand guns) onto the streets of our major cities. Guns laying around the house are the cause of accidental child shootings of which result in 10,000 children a year being maimed and killed in accidental shootings. http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-toll-gun-violence-children
Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or … – MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com
A new gun study shows that injuries from firearms send nearly 7,000 kids to the hospital every year, and an additional 3,000 children die from gunshot wounds.
Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or … – MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com
A new gun study shows that injuries from firearms send nearly 7,000 kids to the hospital every year, and an additional 3,000 children die from gunshot wounds.
No other civilized country permits legal gun sales on street corners or at gun shows where any nut case that just got out of a mental institution or a crook just released from prison can buy all the guns he wants. No Right Wing Fanatic that is sane can argue that these factors are the primary reason we have so much murder , mayhem , freeway’s turned into shooting galleries by enraged bizerko’s and snipers out to pick off people going to work and rivers of blood flowing down our city streets on an hourly basis. Its mass insanity that horrifies civilized countries and the American people have just plain had enough of it as no civilized country can even function under such conditions.
Gun owners have no one to blame but themselves for the coming bans and also the Morons of the NRA more concerned with payola rather than heading off the coming confiscations and bans by refusing to do anything about the insanity. The 2018 and 2020 elections will spell the end for gun ownership as we now know it in the U.S. and unfortunately it will be with outright bans and confiscations. California has already passed a law that will confiscate and melt down all assault rifles and the bans on the East Coast have all been ruled Constitutional by a corrupt Supreme Court that rules with public opinion rather than what the Constitution actually says. In other words take the Constitution and wipe your dirty ass with it because it is totally ignored by the Supreme Court, a power mad dictatorship appointed for life who’s rulings would not fool even a retarded monkey in a zoo.
Yes gun owners are living on borrowed time as mass public panic and hysteria all well founded I might add will demand in 2018 and especially in 2020 that the Democrats put an end to the madness which they surely will unfortunately rather than just vet all gun purchases and require safe storage they will seize on the mass hysteria as an excuse to ban most modern firearms and the ammo to go with it and the corrupt Supreme Court has ruled all the prior East Coast gun bans as well as the new California confiscation law all constitutional. In other words take the your Constitutional rights and wipe your ass with them. Scalia is dead and gone and rotting in his grave and the new Supreme Court is only too willing to piss on his grave.
Let’s quickly look at one of the last instructions God gave to us:
Luke 22:35-36King James Version (KJV)
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Seems like he gave one instruction for one period of time (whilst he was on this earth physically) and then updated this instruction for onward survival.
Wow. I just read through all of these posts. First off, I’ll add my street creed by saying that I own 3 guns, one of which is a Glock 17 gen 4. One of my guns is a customized 10/22 with an M4 stock and red dot sight. I enjoy shooting my guns at the range and keep at least one 17 round magazine loaded with hollow points “just in case.” Now for the bombshell:
I’m a liberal. I know, right? I support gay rights, abortion, and many other “liberal things” including new gun regulations. I read this article because I saw the Glock 17 mentioned and I was like, “Oh crap, I don’t want to have to give up my Glock that I love so much. What I read in the comments saddened me, but did not surprise me. This country was founded on tolerance for other people and their ideas, yet we as a nation have become so divided. Let’s not get into a name calling or put down match here, but we as a nation need to be able to come together and have conversations again.
So here are my opinions, and please feel free to disagree respectfully and offer up your opinions in a respectful way, because I respect you and your opinion.
1. How many more mass shootings need to occur before we do ANYTHING? A bill like the one being discussed here is overboard in my opinion, but it’s a far left place to start the conversation. If we could compromise, then perhaps we can meet in the middle and start saving lives.
2. I don’t have an AR-15. The ammo is expensive. I wouldn’t mind an M&P or one of those newer Saints, though. So I get it that AR’s are used for hunting and home protection. But, how many AR-15’s does one need? Certainly it would be exceptable to think that one or two is enough. Your house doesn’t need to double as an armory for a whole platoon of soldiers.
3. The same goes for handguns. I hear of people in forums saying that they have more than one of the same gun? Why? We have such a variety of awesome guns to try, why have 4 Glock 17’s? Would it really be unreasonable to limit the number of guns you can buy to like 2 or 3 in each caliber?
4. The government is in debt and always has been. I’m fairly confident that the funding doesn’t exist to pay for whoever you think they’d hire to come and confiscate your guns. If you believe what Republicans say at face value, then you should take a leap of faith and believe it when Democrats say that the aren’t going to take away our guns that we legally purchased and are being responsible gun owners with.
5. Guns are a huge part of our culture and the 2nd amendment was created so that the good people of this nation could protect ourselves for future generations to come. When the Bill of Rights was created, the world was a much different place. Just as technology evolves, so should our way of thinking and looking at the world. There weren’t mass musket shootings back in colonial times, so there wasn’t a need to have a gun control conversation. There also wasn’t that many people living in this country.
Fast forward 200 years or so and look at this country and how far we’ve come in terms of technology and innovation. We’ve changed and adapted to the times we’re living in. Can we not seriously sit back and rationality consider that times are becoming different in regards to gun violence? Should we not have discussions about how our way of thinking could and should change, considering our way of life has changed so much?
Thanks for reading my long post (First post on this site, which I visit all the time because I love the gun reviews). I truly want to open up the lines of communication and if you’re reading my post or replying to my post just to call me names, then you’re just as extreme as a liberal who truly wants to live in a gun free America. I can assure you that I am not one of those liberals.
We may disagree and we have the right to, but we can also have respect for our fellow men (and women). That’s what makes America the greatest country on earth. In the words of Sootch00 (who is awesome by the way): be strong, be of good courage, God bless America, and long live the republic.
“Believing in Jesus Means Being Disarmed: Quote of the Day”
Lambs to a slaughter…
Why all the uproar??? Just buy a 50BMG!
My excuse is kids. Only get to shoot couple of times a year in the last few years. Still hold my own though.
I would like to shoot every week. Would love to live with a super model, but I don’t.
Thank God that this SOB is not the POTUS.