Vote from the rooftops (courtesy polticususa.com)

“We know that states including Connecticut and New York tightened their gun-control laws after the Sandy Hook massacre, yet there were no armed citizen militias marching on Hartford and Albany, battling against state police or the military,” George Washington University law professor Neil H. Buchanan writes at newsweek.com. “Even so, it is possible that a sufficiently frantic public-relations campaign by the NRA or others in response to national legislation could lead to some violence.” And if Congress impeaches President Trump some of his supporters will stage an armed rebellion. And . . .

. . . if such a thing is going to happen, the people who would choose to become violent are already well armed. That is not to say that even a sizable minority of gun owners would engage in violence, but it only takes a few scattered dozens of violent people in various places to make America a truly scary place . . .

we know that there is a very small number of Americans who own a lot of weapons. We should proceed in full awareness of that fact, but that reality cannot become the worst kind of heckler’s veto, or we will have become a country governed by a fringe group of people who are willing to make threats and possibly commit acts of violence to replace the rule of law with rule by intimidation.

As for America becoming “a scary place,” welcome to my world. A world where a gainfully employed law professor for a major university can claim he wants to “maintain the rule of law” while writing that “the Second Amendment is simply not relevant to the US gun debate.”

Anyway, imagine Congress pulls the plug on the President. Would anyone take up arms? Against whom?

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  1. I would love to see ginned up Trump supporters take to the streets in armed rebellion. If you’re willing to kill or be killed for a conman the world would be better off without you. Let those “patriots” take on the military and take themselves off the board.

    • “If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

      ― Samuel Adams

    • The assumption here is that “the military” would be in lockstep and be “only following orders.” Maybe in North Korea. While there might not be armed revolt against those orders, there certainly would be resistance. As is well known in the military “Incompetence is not a courts martial offense.”

    • VIOLENT THREAT DELETED And here’s a pro-tip….the military isn’t on your side. Filthy leftists are delusional in thinking they will fire upon American patriots that are their mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers and sons and daughters. Your only hope is law enforcement. Those traitorous pigs will. But before they follow those orders, they’ll be reminded they share the same soil as we do and that their families would be in danger.

      • Grrr I love muh freedom and muh democracy, but let’s call for the culling of those of a different opinion. Your a fool and an embarrassment to the ideals of freedom.

        • Our Founders knew there’d be domestic enemies. Well, they’re here. Folks have to stop humanizing them as neighbors, colleagues, team mates, friends or even relatives. They are a cancer on our nation. There’s only 1 remedy.

        • Goodshot,

          “… let’s call for the culling of those of a different opinion.”

          Your statement is, at best, disingenuous. So let us be very clear here. It is wrong to “call for the culling of those of a different opinion” when the “different opinion” is something like the best way to construct the Interstate highway system. It is right to “call for the culling of those of a different opinion” when the “different opinion” is demanding that government imprison or kill people for exercising their inalienable rights with no malice aforethought.

      • I feel so embarrassed for you, I guess you dropped out of school before receiving basic civics instruction so let me remedy your shocking ignorance.
        Impeachment is a constitutional process so if the Congress impeaches the Gump that would by definition be a constitutional act.
        The military take an oath to uphold the constitution, not the governement or any particular band of the political spectrum or loony loser militia-types who fantasize about being heros cuz their real lives are so silly and sad : D, its the constitution that the military will be upholding.
        And agains since impeachment is a constitutional act the military would never be deployed to oppose that constitutional act only to uphold that constituion act.
        But the Hump is almost certainly not going to be impeached and if he is he will simply step down(after making a fool of himself going blah blah blah)the military simply wont be involved so… Im so sorry for you but you will have to live out your pathetic unhappy little life without getting to play patriotic hero : D

    • Silly Assjammer (or is it Asshammer?). Always assuming that the government will be on “your side”. We won’t have to worry about seeing him at the front lines of any civil conflict. He’ll be safe in Mom and Dad’s basement trolling pro-2A gun forums. The only violence I see right now is out of fringe leftists still in temper tantrum mode post election. Trump is President for 3 more years in this term, and at the the pace that the left is eating itself, it will be 4 more after that. Violent leftists are begging for a war that they can’t possibly win. Be careful what you ask for.

      To answer the question more directly however, I don’t think that a Trump impeachment would cause civil war 2.0. A leftist President pushing gun confiscation would however.

      • If Trump gets impeached, then Mike Pence is going to be president…. that would cause the LEFT to revolt, not the right….. so, no, I would not revolt if Mike Pence became president. Impeach Trump, and put in a real conservative….. I dare you.

      • LOLLLL at your fallacious argument. Ben Shapiro did a great piece of arguments formed with this type of flawed logic.

        Step 1) Counter original point in similar / same verbiage.
        Step 2) Using confirmation bias, invalidate underlying principle of said argument with misdirection and failing to address the original questions directly
        Step 3) Posit opposing viewpoint with specific verbiage indicating your choices are ‘either / or’ with no alternatives.
        Step 4) Wipe the drool off your face because if you argue like this, you’re half (or full) stupid.

        Lets be real here – regardless of who is president (even with the joke of a leader the US has now) the type of legislation (ignore guns for a second, I know it’s hard for some of you) being passed right now are all classic indicators of late stage capitalism. Only stupid people believe in trickle-down economics, and thats unfortunately the mass majority of the remaining support base the Orange one has.

        What comes after “late stage capitalism,” you ask? Collapse. Literally, throughout history, 100% of the time. Socioeconomic collapse, mild to severe anarchy (not tied to one political view or another, just general chaos), then a strong hand steers the ship where it wants in the confusion and you end up with whatever. But no, lets keep talking about all the ‘snowflakes’ and ‘liberal leftist marxist etc etc’ instead of noticing how we’re getting fucked right now.

        Every time I come to this website, I love the articles, love the reviews of new and interesting gear, love the perspective of DGU’s and updates on legislation in this country’s gun sphere.

        Then I read all the stupidity in the comments section and it makes me embarrassed to be classed with such ill-informed, politically backwards, often generally stupid supporters of the 2nd amendment.

    • Doesn’t matter because Trump ain’t getting impeached anyway. All the allegations against him are made up liberal fake news. And that’s the truth. If anyone’s getting impeached, it’s more democrat lawmakers.

    • We have not yet resorted to violence because we have other courses of actions, if we run out then yeah, game on

    • One thing is for sure, we are already better off without your type of ideology running the government. You lost!

    • Whatever you say kiddo. I can tell you how many members of the military in combat arms would recognize a liberal political coup. It would be zero. The only people fighting the military will be you and your ANTIFA thugs.

      At this point the left wing has disgraced itself so much that even if they tried to impeach Trump, he would just declare martial law and be lauded as the next Abraham Lincoln. I’ll be very interested to see what happens when Trump sends in federal troops to arrest the CA state legislature and their congressional representatives on charges of treason when they try to secede.

      • I’m cool with Calexit. Let them go. I want out of this ungovernable, taker-nation, leviathan of a country, myself.

        #Texit

        • Oh HELL yes!

          CALEXIT
          or
          TEXIT

          but do one of them!

          Frankly, I think the CALEXIT is the better option, because Californians obviously hate (passionately) the idea of America and everything it has stood for for the last 200+ years. Whereas Texans embrace American ideals. So if the California mentality is truly going to take over, then get us the hell out of it. Whereas if the red-state surprise of 2016 is an indicator of the future, then let the Californians leave, and let them take NY and NJ and WA and OR with ’em.

          I have no desire to enslave others to live under my values. That kind of thinking is for statist liberal asswipes, like California. I say if they feel oppressed, let ’em throw off the chains and get the hell out of here.

        • Nope, Serge doesn’t go for that “an-cap” BS.

          Can’t have any secession…don’t you know that was tried once, some years back…didn’t end well.

          Seriously though, no need for blood shed and violence. Just peaceful divorce.

          Problem is too many people are used to getting free things…the problem with taxation…and now we have a whole lot of people who will resort to violence to keep the status quo because they are now on the dole and do not ever want it to end.

          The American Empire will end one way or the other. I keep hoping and praying for the peaceful secession route. But if Catalonia is anything to go by then I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    • Ur so stupid plez self abort ur whole family so stupid stops!

      The military is with trump and his voters u dumass vs snowflakes in safe spaces that would be funny…..I am offended is their only weapon!!

    • Love for the Constitution and the Rule of Law is not the same as love of a charismatic figurehead, even POTUS.

      Anyone who would take up arms JUST BECAUSE their political favorite was removed from office has no understanding of the foundation of Constitutional government.

      Should Donald Trump be impeached from the office of president, both by the House of Representatives agreeing to impeach and the Senate and Chief Justice convicting, by Constitutional means, as carefully outlined in the Constitution itself, then there would be no major impetus for rebellion and any who would attempt such would undoubtedly meet their well-deserved demise without any groundswell of public support from either side of the political spectrum.

      If it was a partisan witch-hunt that would be another issue, but for now we are talking Constitutional impeachment leaving us with a more Conservative and main-stream politician as president than we have now.

      The only threat of a national insurgency that I can envision has nothing to do with legal removals from office, regardless of the person(s) involved, it has to do with unconstitutional actions such as blatant attempts to subvert Constitutionally protected rights such as religion, speech, and the right to keep and bear arms. And the action of legislating in that direction would not be the trigger, the action of attempting to enforce those unconstitutional actions would be the trigger.

      • “If it was a partisan witch-hunt that would be another issue, but for now we are talking Constitutional impeachment leaving us with a more Conservative and main-stream politician as president than we have now.”

        If the democrats win The House and Senate in 2018, a partisan witch hunt is exactly what it will be. The dems will begin impeachment proceedings the day they are sworn in, and it will be unconstitutional because the Constitution says the President”……shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and Conviction of Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”, and to date, there has been no evidence of any of those things regarding President Trump.
        However, the democrats will convict him without any evidence of any “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors” because they will have the votes to do so. If it becomes necessary, they will lie and will make up some high crimes and misdemeanors in order to convict him, and furthermore, the establishment republicans (Paul Ryan and his ilk) will go along with it, even if they have to lie themselves because they hate Trump just as much as the democrats do.
        It is that partisan witch-hunt and disregard for the Constitution that I believe could drive some to rebel in the case of a Trump impeachment and removal from office. The day the dems and establishment republicans lie or just right diregard the Constitution in order to remove Trump from office, is the day the Constitution becomes meaningless and that is what will cause some to rebel.
        If the democrats win the House and Senate in 2018, then Trumps days are numbered because his administration won’t last a month after the dems take office.

    • “Let those “patriots” take on the military and take themselves off the board”

      You’re assuming the military would follow any orders to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. You may not realize this, most of the military does not vote to the left. By in the large, the military supported Trump in the election, and they still support him.
      I’ve been in the military and around the military a long time, and If the scenario this article describes ever comes to be, I think you’re going to be in for quite a surprise at the way the military reacts to that situation.
      I think the most likely scenario is that the vast majority of the military will simply refuse to respond to those orders.
      You’d be looking at entire divisions refusing to answer those orders, and I’d say that almost 100% of the National Guard and Reserves would refuse those orders because they aren’t going to turn their weapons on their families, neighbors, and friends.
      If you are a leftist, the military does not like you and is not on your side. Remember the part of the Oath that says I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic? Large parts of the military see the left as that domestic enemy.

    • “Let those “patriots” take on the military and take themselves off the board”

      You’re assuming the military would follow any orders to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. You may not realize this, most of the military does not vote to the left. By in the large, the military supported Trump in the election, and they still support him.
      I’ve been in the military and around the military a long time, and If the scenario this article describes ever comes to be, I think you’re going to be in for quite a surprise at the way the military reacts to that situation.
      I think the most likely scenario is that the vast majority of the military will simply refuse to respond to those orders.
      You’d be looking at entire divisions refusing to answer those orders, and I’d say that almost 100% of the National Guard and Reserves would refuse those orders because they aren’t going to turn their weapons on their families, neighbors, and friends.
      If you are a leftist, the military does not like you and is not on your side. Remember the part of the Oath that says I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic? Large parts of the military see the left as that domestic enemy.

    • No one would really be in danger from the tacticool, obese Trump voters.

      Anyone who would get violent for that idiot would deserve their fate.

    • No snowflake, you wouldn’t enjoy that because you’d be one of the losers they’d be gunning for.

  2. or we will have become a country governed by a fringe group of people who are willing to make threats and possibly commit acts of violence to replace the rule of law with rule by intimidation.

    How exactly is this different from what is happening on college campuses across the country now whenever a conservative speaker is invited?

    • Beat me to it. These morons have no problem with antifa beating people senseless for hurting their feelings, but God forbid someone carry to protect themselves.

  3. Mike Pence 2018! I am not trusting Trump to keep my guns from the grabbers. So, no I do not see a revolt from the impeachment.

    • But you would trust Pence? I can’t see why you should ever trust any of the Washington weasels. That’s kind of the whole point of limited government: limit their powers because none of them can be trusted.

    • Pence is just another dirtbag career politician. Why would have any faith in someone like to do the right thing?

  4. Probably not for lot’s or reasons. But I would point out to the good professor that 3% of the population overthrew the most powerful military machine in the world to seize control of their own country. Currently we are about 300 million; so, are there 9,000,000 of us ready and willing to resist tyranny? Now the is the question!

    • Let’s not forget that the big military machine was on the other side of very big ocean in era of wooden sail ships. And it also had pressing business elsewhere.

  5. Impeachment is highly unlikely. If it were to pass and Pence was defeated like Gerry Ford was only to be replaced with the worst democrats could come up with i think you would see small pockets rise up only to be stepped on pretty hard. A small number of people don’t stand a chance.
    It would take 20 to 40 % of the population to really do anything and that’s also highly unlikely. Too many divergent interests.
    Trumps presidency stalls them but eventually committed socialists and statists will take over. And they will go for a gun roundup as soon as they can swing it.

    • Respectfully, I do not agree with your numbers here. If 40 to 50% of the population stood up to resist, the outcome would never be in doubt. As stated in an earlier post, I believe as few as 3% could get the job done, maybe.

      • I think a lot depends on what those 3% do and where (and against whom) they do it.

        If they’re using Unintended Consequences (John Ross) or What I Saw at the Coup (Matt Bracken) as a roadmap, I’d say they could have a huge impact.

    • 20% of the US population would be approximately 35,000,000 people. That would be the largest fighting force in history, by several orders of magnitude. That would be the size of China’s, the US’s, India’s, the Norks’ and Russia’s armies combined. Times five. In a stand up fight, which a revolution wouldn’t be, that would still be an absolute rout. Every army in the world couldn’t stop a force that size, no matter what they brought to the fight (except, of course, NBC weaponry, but that’s just an exercise in self-destruction.)

      No, just 2% would leave the US army outnumbered almost three to one. Even that would be no contest. Force multiplying tanks, aircraft and ships are useless when you don’t have the manpower to defend their supply lines. 0.2% might be an opposing force the US army could handle, but even then they’d face the Vietnam problem. You can’t kill the enemy without killing civilians, and every civilian you kill makes for more enemy combatants. Especially if they were to deploy chemical weapons as in Vietnam.

      All that, of course, assumes that the entire command structure of the armed forces remains intact in the event of a civil war. Desertion and mutiny would, realistically, be a certainty when American soldiers are ordered to target American cities. An even smaller force of rebels could overwhelm a disjointed military in a guerilla campaign.

      • 35million? How would you organize, feed, or deploy an army like that? How could you maintain opsec or efficiently communicate up and down a command structure with that many people? How can you make it so that many people dont present a juicy target for cluster bombs? How many of those 35 million are fighters and how many of them scrub toilets, transport food, filter water, do paperwork, etc? Theres a reason why Armies arent 35 million strong. Theres also a reason why the DOD is the largest employer in the US and only 70% of those employees are uniformed military personnel, and only 10% of uniformed miltary personnel are combat arms personnel.

        • Follow the playbook of every significant and effective resistance effort in the last 100 years?

          Sure, it’s a larger scale but we’re one hell of a larger country.

          I mean, seriously, do you think this would be a “regular” army with standardized uniforms that’s going to muster every morning for inspection while in training, play Reveille every morning and Taps every night? No, it would be more along the lines of the French Resistance.

  7. Impeached or convicted? To remove a President requires a majority vote of the House Judiciary Committee and then a majority vote on Articles of Impeachment by the full House. If those acts occur, then it takes a 2/3 vote for conviction by the full Senate.

    Democrats are tub-thumping for impeachment, just like Kim Jong-un is saber-rattling against the US. In both cases, it’s total bullshit. Unless the President commits a serious and obvious crime, removal from office is more than unlikely. No US President has ever been removed from office via impeachment, and we’ve had some doozies in the WH.

    To answer the question directly: No. There wouldn’t be a revolt if the President was proven to be a bad actor.

    But if the charges were (forgive me) trumped up, then the so-called “impeachment” would actually be a coup d’etat, and there would be blood.

    • At this point, it wouldn’t matter. They have poisoned the well so much that nobody would believe them. Any impeachment on any grounds would be treated as a coup and put down as one.

    • I agree that the Democrats are just running their mouths, but why wouldn’t they? He is not their president, and he makes himself such an easy target. So make hay while the sun shines, as the saying goes. Which is precisely why, notwithstanding the lack of votes, Trump will not be impeached. He is their poster boy for the mid-terms and the next presidential election cycle. If Trump goes down, he is succeeded by Pence. Although I have issues with Pence, the fact is that he is a much smaller target and he doesn’t tweet. The LAST thing the democrats want is a President Pence, at least not until they regain control of the Senate.

      The wole politcal game these days, and which Trump ran against, is that the opposite sides in Congress don’t do much of anything but make sure the other side fails to achieve its agenda.

    • Bil clinton survived an impeachment. Just because he’s impeached doesn’t ‘t mean he’s out of office. He come back with a stronger base

    • Couldn’t they impeach him for illegally bombing another government without permission from the congress?

      I don’t think they would dare to use that as their reason because they wanted him to do it and they love to have that ability for themselves.

      • He doesn’t need permission from Congress to do that. The president can take short term military action without a declaration of war. This has been settled law since the 1800s.

      • That would be a sticky wicket.

        The War Powers Act gives the POTUS authority to act for 30 days before seeking Congressional approval and he can write a letter to them extending that time another 30 days. After that he needs approval for continued military operations.

        • The War Powers Act has never been tested by SCOTUS because while the Democrats (mostly) have whined about previous occupants of the White House violating it, they are afraid it might not pass constitutional muster. They also don’t want “their guy” to be hamstrung with having to abide by it.

        • None of which changes the fact that, barring years of litigation over it, the President under the law as written has such authority.

          What matters is that Congress decided to delegate away a bunch of it’s authority and will have trouble getting it back. Therefore short term military action isn’t something Congress really has the legs to complain about because the POTUS, regardless of party, will simply say “Well you guys gave me the power to do this for emergencies and this is an emergency” which for all practical intents and purposes shuts down the argument.

          “Well if it was tested in court it might come up wanting” is not an argument any branch of government will make.

      • War powers act or not, still couldn’t impeach him for that. Using military force in Syria would be justified under the broad powers given to the president for the War on Terror. All acts in Iraq are still covered by the 2003 authorization by congress to use military force in deposition of the saddam regime, and all subsequent engagements. This is how the Obama administration legally used military force in Libya as well during the Arab spring.

  9. Why revolt when the State of Connecticut is broke and going bankrupt, no one marched on Hartford, because the CT police never cared to lift a finger on all those who dint comply with the law.

  10. Armed revolt? I don’t know about that, but it would be a statement that “when flyover country elects a president, its illegitimate. Only when the good people on the coasts elect the president does it mean anything.”

    I think it would prove that this whole democracy thing the left constantly shouts about is a sham, but the Pandora’s box of what happens next is hard to say. I personally think the country needs to break up if we are ever to find some semblance of peace amongst ourselves.

  12. Depends on the totality of the circumstances, doesn’t it? But, likely, no it wouldn’t.

    On a related topic, you can learn quite a bit about a person by the assumptions baked into the questions he asks.

    I think it says quite a bit more about the good professor quoted in the article, than it does about armed Americans, if he seriously believes that an impeachment of President Trump would lead to armed rebellion no matter what. Or, for that matter, even has a high probability. I wonder, then, if he thinks this would also have happened had Ms. Clinton been elected.

    • What would have Americans done if a criminal (not a convicted one, just one that didn’t get charged) had been elected? Would they immediately call for impeachment? Would they have allowed her to start wars with other countries before they sought impeachment? Would they have allowed another ban on guns before they freaked out?

      I have a feeling most people would have complained everyday and turned in their guns. The majority wouldn’t have minded their country regressed to an European level.

      • On the contrary, I think the surprise Trump victory only delayed the coming 2nd Civil War. There was a strong smell of rebellion in the air prior to Trump’s victory. It felt like insurrection would commence within a year of Hilary’s inevitable victory.

        Unless circumstances prevent a future “Hillary” from infringing on citizens liberties as enumerated in the the Bill of Rights, that smell will return.

  14. First off , here’s my biase: I don’t believe this scenario would actually occur. Because:
    1. IF (and that’s a huge if) Congress actually was to impeach, try and remove trump from office that’s three distinct steps that take for ever… hell Clinton fought the first step for like 5 years.
    2. The line of secession is pretty clear… so really anyone got a problem with Pence?

    • Which would require a 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress, and approval by 38 states. Or a Constitutional Convention with 38 states approving. Neither will never happen.

      • Or never use a double negative, because we can’t understand what your saying. Neither could ever happen, either could never happen, but neither could never happen, isn’t the way you say that.

      • Does the Constitution specify who votes for the 38 states in question?

        That was how the progressives destroyed the Constitution, and the country, in Matt Bracken’s “Enemies” trilogy.
        Their side picked the delegates to the convention. Our side didn’t accept the results, and the country was balkanized, with large areas where the states just ignored the Fedgov, most notably the ‘Free States’ in the northwest.

        • That’s not how constitutional conventions work. The results still have to be ratified by 3/4 of state legislatures.

  18. It would take a bit more then kicking Trump out for me.
    There are other situations Nationally that also would to have happened to get me riled.
    Not much but definitively more.

  19. Well to say ‘would’ is a very very broad way to put it and ultimately it would require a specific situation. If President Trump actually did something serious illegal, then no. Probably not going to cause any revolt or counter revolution. But if it’s completely trumped, pardon the pun, charges then you could see actual armed conflict. Especially if we see the media and the existing leftist apparatus and security state trying to pull it off.

    One of the worse things about the political left in the media is that they want to make everything an absolutes and locked into easy to control and manipulate groups. Reality doesn’t work that way. And even worse, any situation where armed conflict accords in the US is going to be very very bloody. Probably as bad as fall of the former nation of Czechoslovakia, if just probably not with the ethic cleansing and more just open warfare.

    • You are confusing Czechoslovakia with Yugoslavia.

      Czechoslovakia was the good separation. Yugoslavia was the bad one we got dragged in to.

  21. “We will have become a country governed by a fringe group of people who are willing to make threats and possibly commit acts of violence to replace the rule of law with rule by intimidation.”

    This is an accurate description of the strategy of the fascist left today, and is precisely what the 2nd Amendment is intended to prevent.

  22. I’m not sure if he was talking about conservatives or AntiFA there.

    Armed, dozens, violence… Yup, he was talking about AntiFA.

  23. For a lot of different reasons. I believe it may be coming. I’m not so sure a bloody revolution would be a bad thing in these times. It would certainly make a final determination as to the direction our nation would go for the next 250 years. Much in the same way the last revolution set the stage for the following 200+ years. Many of the issues in dispute now are the same as the ones in the 1770’s. The only difference is the players involved. Having lived a pretty good life and seeing the way this nation has allowed the government, the media, and the deep state to push us farther down the rabbit hole of strife and division. I’m beginning to believe the real war is not between the everyday citizens. We are just the pawns in the larger game being played by the backroom powers we never see. We all need to take a long hard look at who is really pulling the strings. These are OUR enemies. Not each other. Voting from the roof tops my be all of OUR lasts resorts. Just choose your target well and make your vote count.

  24. Sorry, but that’s kind of a silly question. If Trump is impeached or removed, Pence takes over. Dems will never remove Trump as long as Pence is waiting in the wings. If they did, Pence would be just fine, possibly even better. Plus, Pence could serve out the remaining 2 years of Trump’s term, then do 2 terms of his own, so it could be Pence for 12 years.

    Dems do NOT want Pence becoming President under any set of circumstances. They’d be in the uncomfortable position of being forced to defend Trump which would be kind of hysterical.

    Now, if the Republican governors do something stupid like call a Constitutional Convention then let it get sidetracked and corrupted, all bets are off. So here’s to hoping they’re smarter than that.

    • Nothing wrong with a Constitutional Convention, particularly since Congress has all but ignored their Constitutional limits and responsibilities anyways.

  26. Only die hard leftist dimwits like Maxine Waters believe they could achieve impeachment. The thought process is about the same as the old leftist tripe: What if they gave a war, and no one came?

    Liberalism indicates a lazy or disturbed mind.

  27. I missed the part where somebody was threatening armed aggression due to impeachment. Just follow the rules when pursuing impeachment.

    The article sounds like classic fear and projection. In which case, my response would be for those in fear to show some maturity and own it.

  28. If Trump is ever impeached, the charges would be very public. It would first take a majority of the House to impeach, and 2/3 of the Senate to convict and remove. At the end of this process ANYONE being impeached would be so discredited that the idea that the impeachment was unwarranted would have near zero support. Add to this the fact that Mike Pence would become president, and the idea that there would be significant – or any – violence is absurd.

  31. Not for me.

    We got rules.

    If they can impeach him, have at it.

    Then they would also have to remove, which is a little more difficult .

    We impeaached Clinton (didnt remove) and it was barely noticable

  32. What could Trump be impeached for?

    If Slick Willie ciould have an affair with an intern and personally intercede on Chinese and Indonesian business interests, and defeat the impeachment, I don’t think Trump had done anything close to previous presidents.

  33. There is no possibility of any significant violence on a Trump impeachment.

    There will be a lot of grumbling and threats but that’s it. Ninety-nine percent of the alleged “militias” in the US are already infiltrated by ATF, Secret Service and FBI agents and informants and they would be rounded up twenty minutes later.

    The same applies to the idiots on the left who think they’re going to have a “Revolution” on November 4.

    The old saw, “When three men conspire, two are police agents and the third is a fool” remains true today.

    Then there’s the question of how many of the US electorate are even CAPABLE of joining any sort of insurgency. Sure, we have a lot of ex-military types with beards running around declaring themselves to be “Tier 1 Operators”. They’re a tiny handful. There are over three hundred maybe close to four hundred million people in this country. There’s no way that at THIS juncture you can get 5-10% of them to join an insurgency which is the usual considered number needed to have an effective insurgency.

    Now if the economy collapses in another Depression with fifty million people out of work and on the streets, then maybe. Not until then.

    As for impeachment, if Trump starts a war with North Korea and it goes as badly as I believe it will, then impeachment might be feasible. But not over this whole “Russiagate” nonsense, for which there is zero evidence. Democrats thinking they can impeach him for that stuff are delusional.

  35. The entire military or 99% hates hillary and that communist party…..and the tier 1 guys hate them 999999999999 times more!!! and law enforcement love trump especially the Sheriff plus all the red necks and hard working AMericans! So yeah! Go ahead make America Fing really great again!! IM ur Huckleberry x140 million!! Bring it!!

  36. The entire military or 99% hates hillary and that communist party…..and the tier 1 guys hate them 999999999999 times more…. and law enforcement loves trump especially the Sheriffs plus all the red necks and hard working AMericans! So yeah! Go ahead make America Fing really great again!!

  37. Trump’s a clown and even the people who voted for him know it. Him getting impeached and Pence being President would be great for concervatism and the 2A. It would be better if he just croaked though, maybe get “food poisoning” or something.

    • ( u ( k.

      Evan Egg McMuffin lost, get over it or go work for “Her” as we all know she IS running in 2020.

  38. We may get to find out what the populace thinks of a revolt way before any attempts to impeach President Donald J. Trump as the (((Georgy Schwartz))) alias (((George Soros”)))-financed domestic terrorists, AntiFa and associated groups, have planned on beginning THEIR “revolution” on Nov. 4th with nationwide “actions” which they intend on escalating each day/week.

    The urban areas as we all know with a population for all intents and purposes “disarmed” will see a majority of the unrest but the real question is what will befall the violent Anarchist/Communist/Socialist/Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyite scum if and when they descend upon the suburbs and rural locales where local police/county sheriff’s deputies will be stretched thin.

    As I’ve said before in numerous posts our nation is overdue for an enema, law-abiding Americans can not only help administer the “cleansing” but also aid in #MAGA by just putting down this violent rabble like the rabid dogs they are.

    Note: Public TV/PBS has been for the last few years describing the riots in urban areas during the 1960s as “rebellions”, watch for the language used this time around as the Fake News will seek to downplay violent attacks and make the unrest about something other than the complete overthrow of our system of government.

  40. I don’t think that is the right question to ask.
    Impeachment ain’t happening with Republicans holding the House.
    If Democrats go forward with impeachment, what have they gained by leaving Pence in place?…Pissed off non-democrats with a cause to vote.
    A Democrat House impeachment proceeding would need to tie Pence to Trump for it to be worth doing and a large Senate majority led by Chuck Schumer to finish it off. Then we’re left with President Pelosi declaring martial law at the first sign of violent protests instigated by leftist plants.
    What is the right question to ask?

  42. Only of there were some level of organization.

    If there weren’t and it was only a few small groups or individuals at first you’d be damned sure the media will paint them as extremist nut jobs to force the more moderate supporters to fall in line.

  43. Who enforces the laws? That’s right the police. In NY they enforce the SAFE act everyday. They even have news articles with the hero’s and the total number of guns seized. This idea the military and police are on your side and Diane Feinstein and her son are going to show up at your door for the confiscations is down right laughable. The police and military are the only reason the politicians have any power.

    • The question in any case of revolt, riot, unrest, will be just whom the military (National Guard) and police stand with, the politicians or the populace.

      The majority of the population (though they don’t show it for various reasons which include being targeted for harassment by “the Left”) stands with police and support our military so we are left to wonder if they, particularly law enforcement, will obey orders as we have seen them do in San Jose, Berkeley, NYC, Chi-Congo etc. and “stand down” like when Trump supporters were being violently attacked or will they stand with us, the law-abiding citizens? The time may come where they have to chose a side and they best choose carefully as the last time I checked “armed” law-abiding citizens far outnumber both police and law enforcement combined here in the USA..

  45. Would Trump impeachment cause revolt? I don’t know. OMG Hitlerly Clit on is going to run again, OMG NOOOOO. oh that bitch makes me puke. She’s a traitor and a villain of the worst kind. I don’t not hate people, but I dislike her very much, she is not welcome on my property.

  46. A Trump removal due to impeachment and conviction is extremely unlikely, especially as long as Republicans control the House and Senate. Voting for conviction would be political suicide for them, unless it was obvious to everybody in the nation that Trump was absolutely guilty of something really heinous.

    However, I think that there is a slim possibility that he might be removed due to the provisions of the 25th Amendment:

    “Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

    In other words, if the adults in the White House determine that keeping Trump around is too dangerous, and that they cannot control him, they will remove him and put Pence in charge.

    Trump will probably serve out his term. But I don’t see him being reelected in 2020. I think it’s much more likely that the Republican Nomination will go to somebody else. Regardless of how Trump leaves office, I don’t see a revolution coming as a result of it.

  47. No Trump Impeachment. Nothing he has done (yet) is impeachable. Impeachment is complicated and difficult to do. Was designed that way. Without an Impeachment no Civil War. ANTIFA may create some civil unrest, but will be stopped easily.

    The Right has no reason to rebel at present, and the Left doesn’t have the stomach for it. I think the prospect of a major civil war is very unlikely and infeasible unless multiple contiguous States rebel in unison.

    For now we just have to learn to put-up with screaming snowflakes yelling obscenities and bullsh*t slogans. A good weapon would be an audio device that plays realistic “gunshot” sounds, and broadcasts snowflake trigger phrases so they would all have to run to their “safe places”, or collapse sobbing in the street.

  48. Citizens protects foundations of what makes the country.
    Idiots protects politicians.
    I somehow does not see enough idiots to for idiotic act. Maybe I am wrong.

  49. Impeachment is a political process but not necessarily a fair one.
    If a party sets out that its policy is to impeach an opposing factions leader then it might eventually succeed. Tho it says a lot about that party and it’s lack of concern for the law or the nation it intends to rule.
    The general public doesn’t like those who manipulate the political process and the consequence is often that the ones attempting impeachment on shallow grounds risk losing their own offices first.

    The issue with revolitions and guerrilla warfare is the same as with jihad or any popular form of violent resistance. It’s something that governments can oppress on the small scale but it becomes more problematic as a movement grows. Governments just can’t sustain the cost of manpower it takes to keep a boot on everyone’s neck. The act of oppression fractured its own forces and destroys the economy that pays for the oppression.

    If people feel that a political party is trying to unfairly influence the process, control the media, silence their viewpoints with censorship, and eventually turn to violence to keep themselves in power, then it just takes one bad incident to start a revolt that can’t be stopped.
    Americans being armed means it’s unlikely any authority can simply sweep through and dominate. It gives the would be autocrat some food for thought.

    • “If people feel that a political party is trying to unfairly influence the process, control the media, silence their viewpoints with censorship, and eventually turn to violence to keep themselves in power, then it just takes one bad incident to start a revolt that can’t be stopped.”

      You just described the modern Democrat party and their sycophants in a nutshell.

  50. I wouldn’t bat an eye if Trump got impeached. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump have all done unconstitutional actions such as unlawful executive actions and unlawful military actions. They all deserve to be impeached but it will never happen because congress is too afraid to actually enforce their oath to uphold the constitution.

    They’d rather the president just commit to war without a congressional vote as per the constitution cause it keeps their hands clean when things fail. They can just blame the president, plead ignorance, and move on to collecting donation money from whatever lobbyist is sucking them off for the day.

  51. The reality is that it would be impossible for Congress to muster enough votes to impeach Trump even if the accusations by the left were true. The Democrat Party would have to usurp the Constitution in some way to make it happen. If they somehow manage to do that, then yes, there will be war, and the leftist will assuredly lose. Let us hope it doesn’t come to that. (For the leftist trolls I saw posts from above, I am stating simple fact, and I don’t care if you don’t want to believe us.)

  52. “we will have become a country governed by a fringe group of people who are willing to make threats and possibly commit acts of violence to replace the rule of law with rule by intimidation”

    Sounds like BLM/Antifa to me…

  53. Why is it that people think we have to wait for the evil POS (D) to try impeachment before we can take off after them?

    Some of us might have started already.

    They certainly did.

  54. Their would be dancing and partying in the streets and many former duped Drumpf voters would be amongst them too.

    It cannot come to soon as of this morning Michael Moore’s dire prediction may be closer to reality than most think as mad dog Herr Drumpf has just recalled robotic retired Nuclear Bomber pilots, and put them on 24 hour alert and they along with the ghost of Slim Pickens are chomping at the bit to let loose the Nuclear bombs which would draw in both the Russians and the Chinese to launch their missiles at us. Brilliant Herr Drumpf you could not be a bigger Moron or a more depraved maniac.

    In these times of crisis we need a “real President” like Obama not a Moron like Herr Drumpf.

  55. I recall some left-wing reporter making the claim, shortly before the 2016 election, that she is afraid that if Trump loses, his supporters will became violent, while if Hillary loses, her supporters will merely be sad. Of course, this was nothing more than an attempt to paint Trump supporters as crazy guys with guns. It also turned out to be completely untrue, as when Hillary ended up losing, it was her supporters who became violent and rioted.

    • So you’d be willing to let the democrats and establishments republicans lie or just outright ignore the Constitution in order to remove a President that you don’t like? Because that is exactly what is going to happen in the democrats win the House and Senate in 2018.

    • Yes, there would be. Everyone would be celebrating except the 86 or 87% of republican voters that say they still support Trump.

  58. “Become” a scary place?

    Don’t they do their best on a regular basis to convince us it IS scary, so we should give the government even more power?

  59. I guess he just ignored the huge protest we had at the capitol building in CT… I’d wager 90% or more people were armed, they were there to protect that right after all and lets just say that area of Hartford isn’t super nice. There were plenty open carrying handguns and rifles too.

  61. Without a doubt, a number of those above who advocate rebellion have volunteered for the watchlist.

    There are times to keep your sentiments to yourself and not broadcast them to the world, you know.

  62. A president can needn’t have committed a crime to be impeached, this is a valuable element of the checks and balances inherent to our constitutional order. Were a majority of the House and two thirds of the Senate to vote to impeach Trump, anyone taking up arms to keep him in office would be committing treason in the service of a Caesar.

    • “A president can needn’t have committed a crime to be impeached…….”

      Really?
      The Constitution says ”……shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and Conviction of Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”

  63. Trump has committed no crimes, therefore he will not be impeached.
    If the DemonRats do it anyways, and Trump is actually removed from office, then YES there WILL be violence.
    What everyone fails to remember is that the DemonRats gave the Office of the President, unprecedented powers under the NDAA and the PATRIOT Acts.
    These two (unconstitutional inho) Acts, give every President the total and unlimited power of having any person arrested and held indefinitely, with no access to attorneys or a phone, for as long as the President sees fit, if the President deems them a threat to National Security.
    If Trump really wants to get his policies into law, he has all the power a Tyrant would need to do so. The fact he has not yet used those powers means, He Has This. No worries.

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