[HTML1]
Gun grabbers are going to ground. Recognizing that they’ve lost the initiative, they’re keeping it on the DL, masking their disarmament mission with terms like “common sense” and “loophole.” The trend applies to both local gun control advocates and those working on an international scale. To wit: the “let’s start the conversation” video above, which reminds me of nothing so much as the cult come-ons that plagued the airwaves back in the day. Over at their main site (look for the asterisks for the orgs behind the campaign), Control Arms is “calling for a bulletproof international Arms Trade Treaty.” See what they did there? What they really, really want: a U.N. Arms Treaty that disarms citizens, an agreement that can’t be knee-capped by people who value their gun rights. Which raises the question, what does a gun mean to you?
“what does a gun mean to you?”
it means freedom to me first and foremost.
secondly, it means protection “the great equalizer”
and last but not least, it means I can hunt to feed myself & family if I ever have to.
Individual liberty.
There’s also the 9th amendment to the Constitution:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
There’s also the 10th amendment to the Constitution:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
And once again, the US has powers, but not any rights.
“Which begs the question, what does a gun mean to you?”
——
gun. noun. a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile
That’s all there is. When we concede that an inanimate object can have any meaning beyond what it actually is, it allows the anti’s to claim that guns = violence, crime, global warming, or whatever else they want to claim. It’s just a gun, people.
@moonshine7102,
some people do attach importance to a symbol in order to keep a belief alive.
tools have been doing this for humans for thousands of years, buddy.
FLAME DELETED
Oh, my. Here we go!
“some people do attach importance to a symbol in order to keep a belief alive.”
——
I believe George Carlin said it best: “These things are symbols, and I leave them to the symbol-minded.”
“tools have been doing this for humans for thousands of years, buddy.”
——
I’m not your buddy, spy. We’re never going to have a beer together. And “tools” (the colloquial meaning, now) have been giving the anti’s plenty of ammunition by attaching too much importance to the tool, and not enough on the people defended by them.
ANTI-FLAME DELETED
“and try to look beyond what’s in your hand for todays purpose and see what it means to all those who use it.”
——
Here’s where we differ. The question was, “what does a gun mean to you?” Not owning, not carrying, not shooting. Just “a gun”. Get it, now?
ya I get it.
YET ANOTHER FLAME DELETED
Wow. I just…wow.
The truth is:
Humans do violence upon humans using what ever tool they can find, including their own hands.
The concern/answer to the “problem” is HUMANS.
Continue to teach/fight/stand for 2A rights for all, while teaching others to be thoughtful and respectful. It is your right, responsibility and obligation as a human being to do so.
Now that i think about it a bit, i agree with this statement. A gun is an inanimate object that really has no meaning. Its when and how it is used that gives it the meaning…its sorta like asking what a hammer or stapler mean to you…uh how do you answer that? lol
Hey Roll,
why don’t you ask some die-hard commies what the hammer meant to them having it on their flag for so many years?
The flag has the meaning there. A common claw hammer has no meaning beyond what it is: a hammer.
“Moonshine7102 says:
June 22, 2012 at 11:52
The flag has the meaning there. A common claw hammer has no meaning beyond what it is: a hammer.”
See above
I think the question is being misunderstood, an object itself is neutral: pen, paper, cloth, whatever. But when you write with the pen on the paper to make ideas, or print a colors on cloth to represent a country’s flag, it then has meaning and how people use those objects is what makes them bad or good. Not the objects themselves.
A tool for self defense, and/or fun. It also means history, knowing that my WWI M1917 Enfield has done more by serving in two World Wars, than any of these activists will ever do.
My guns are the only way to defend my liberty from a tyrannical government. That is why the second amendment is in the constitution. Look it up. The are also a way to defend myself from a society without rule of law, a way to defend my person and property against criminals, a way to provide food for myself, and they are fun to shoot.
First the gun is a tool, we can use to hunt, give us protection .. what the founders viewed the gun as another check to keep a (evil ) government under control , all power comes out the barrel of a gun… (communist view)…We would all be slaves long ago … But because Americans have so many guns …the New World Order Globalists , are having a hard time trying to DESTROY America… Bill Gates and Ted Turner Globalists give Billions to the U.N. because they HATE all you freedom loving Americans… It’s on record … they want 85 % of the worlds peoples killed , so they will have TOTAL CONTROL , of a weak few…….do a internet look up on the NWO… get informed… truth is the best weapon EVER………
Adding Bill Gates to that list causes you to lose any credibility. By all accounts, he’s actually a decent guy and spend a lot of time and money keeping poor & sick people ALIVE as well as personally subsidizing our failing public school system.
“What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – Thomas Jefferson
As per Thomas Jefferson the role of firearms in a free country is mainly for murdering politicians and other agents of government. The government has no right except the right to perish.
It’s a tool, like those that want to take them away from me!
Guns give rise to conflict.
Well, I hope so. Conflict means two sides are on relatively equal footing. When there’s a large disparity in power, there is no conflict, simply swift oppression, or death. Conflict means victims have a fighting chance against oppressors.
The peace these people are asking for is the peace of a body in a ditch.
Let’s turn that question around and ask, instead:
“What does a conglomerate of foreign states telling you what you can or cannot have or do mean to you?”
To me, it means dependence and submission; and I don’t do either.
It’s a tool used for all kinds of things, from hunting for food to target shooting to defending my country from those who would wish to enforce unjust international law.
You mean it RAISES the question!
To beg the question does not mean “to raise the question”!
“Begging the question” is a type of logical fallacy in which a statement or claim is assumed to be true without evidence other than the statement or claim itself.
Text amended. Thanks.
For me, firearm means many things, among not the least of which is “peace through strength”.
The music in the video was so scary I think I’m going to change sides. Please, take my guns. I can’t even look at them anymore because I just hear that music and know they are just killing machines. Oh, the humanity.
Horrifying music! I’m emptying my safes and throwing my guns in a dumpster for the nearest drug user to discover. Oh, the children!
Strange. I can’t seem to find their facebook page. I thought that maybe the video was posted a while back, but it was uploaded yesterday. So much for an open discussion on what a gun means to me on their page.
BTW. A gun to me is the link to my late grandfather’s exploits in WWII, a way to get food, defend my family, the ultimate freedom insurance, and something that brings me happiness (is a warm gun).
I agree that a gun is just a tool but I also want to say that to me it means personal sovereignty.
To me it means I have a tool to effect protection for my family and myself if needed before other help can arrive to allay the threat.
The last guy in the video said, “There’s a story behind every gun.” Well, that’s certainly true in my case.
–Mossberg Cruiser (pistol grip): The first firearm I bought, and my first firearm mistake. Pistol grips are silly.
–XD(M) .40 3.8: Should have bought the compact 3.8 with the shorter grip. Would alleviate 90% of my concealment issues. Live and learn.
–Sig Mosquito: When they said “We recommend CCI ammunition” that was not just cross-brand marketing. It really does prefer CCI.
–Ruger 10/22 Target/Tactical: The included bipod is crap. Don’t bother. A friend tried to tell me, but I had to prove it to myself.
–Sig P238: Magazine extensions with pinkie rests really do make a dramatic difference.
See, he’s right. Every gun has a story.
I’d reply “there’s a tyrant behind every gun law” or “there’s a genocide behind every gun confiscation.”
It means that I have a means to prevent the ultimate insult, the ultimate attack on my personal status as a human being and my personal dignity, which is someone trying to murder me or anyone else in my presence, or invade my home, or take my property.
A gun is a tool for personal defense and home security and a device for sports and fun. If money grew on trees, I’d have a thousand of them. Guns, I mean. Not trees. Although if money did grow on trees, it would be cool to have a thousand trees.
Because having a thousand trees would allow you to buy… (doing some multiplication in his head) a big-assed truckload of guns every week!
If money grew on trees, I’d buy one of every kind. Of guns, that is. I’d own only the one type of tree – the type that grew money.
1. A gun is a tool. It is an ingenious mechanical device that does no more and no less than exactly what it’s told to do. If only computers were so well made.
2. It is a symbol of many things, but importantly, it is a symbol of liberty. A society that trusts its members to make their own decisions has the chance to be both great and good.
3. Some guns are works of art. They rise about mere function to elegance.
4. A gun is, of course, a weapon. As such, it is a means by which a good person can be secure or at least can have a fighting chance.
+1
A gun in the hands of an individual codifies the collective agreement of all people in democratic society that we choose not to acknowledge any concept of royalty, divine, or natural right of one person over another. That a person owns themselves and from the view of society deserves an equal right to self-determination. It acknowledges the reality that governments, societies, and people are imperfect and corruptible, and that the individual human right to self-defense should not suffer because of it.
-D
It means not having to live as anyone’s slave.
It cracks me up when people who are against violence want to take guns away. News flash, the bad guys are going to get them anyway. If they can’t get guns, they’d use knives, if they can’t get knives, they’d use hammers and right on down the line. Taking away our right to protect ourselves will never solve anything. When will the anti gunners get it that when they post gun free zone signs all it does is point criminals to where the unarmed victims are.
A gun to me means freedom.
Just look at the genocide in parts of Africa. They don’t want to waist bullets so they use knives, and clubs. In Mexico I guess despite the laws getting a gun, assuming you are working for the cartels, is easy, so they use that instead.
Either way a gun is a tool. It also allows me using that tool to protect myself, my family and have bonding moments at the gun range or hunting with my kids.
As a symbol it could be viewed as wealth, some guns are works of art, and are worth more than my car. It is also viewed as a symbol of liberty and freedom. Those things are not free, and sometimes you have to fight for them. Our founding fathers knew that power a government corrupts. As such they knew that no one man should be a slave to government. If it is deemed that such a government is acting outside the laws of the constitution and doing away with individuals liberties and freedoms then that government must go. I am not calling for armed struggle against our government, but I think given the time and environment the founding fathers lived in that is exactly what they meant. Unfortunately I think we are seeing government getting to a point where change is needed in a big way.
Defense of ones self against tyranny of government might mean that moving forward in the future we might see that happen. We have seen armed struggles, in Syria, Iran, Libya, and other places, but if the government disarms the public then there is no recourse. That is final solution which I hope to never see. Unfortunately we are witnessing certain portions of the executive branches making decisions on it’s own using rarely used powers to enact laws, policies, and ideologies which many do not agree with. Even if you agree some what with a policy or law, the fact remains that due process, and acceptance has been thrown out the window. These actions are indicative of a monarchy, not a democratic government. Even England, Israel, or pick your country doesn’t usually enact policy in this manner. It is truly scary and unsettling.
This bunch of yahoos is none other than the Oxfam fabians, the same bunch of preening solipsists in the UK who wax most pompous about a great many leftist causes: starving people in Africa, “social justice,” blah, blah, blah.
It seems that every western democracy has the same bunch of layabout twits running off at their mouths about something or other. The best thing we could do is expose them for the bunch of grifters and pocket-picking deadbeats they are.
Guns mean freedom from oppression.
To me a gun enables self-reliance, the personal attribute I value most. I do not want to be in the position of having to wait or hope for someone else to help defend the personal safety or legitimate rights of me or my family.
My firearms are tools that serve many purposes. They provide entertainment when I am shooting at targets. They provide food when I hunt wild game. They provide protection against wild animals and criminals. They deter foreign nations from invading the U.S.
Like any other object, people could use them to help themselves and/or fellow citizens or to harm themselves and/or fellow citizens. Any evil is in the person, not the object.
All I know is that when I walk into a gun show it’s sorta like walking into a topless bar. I see all sorts of things I’d like to fondle and take home, but I just can’t afford it.
Well first Of all I live in the country so:
911 response time to our community….10 minutes or more!!!!
1911 response time….. 2 to 3 seconds!!!!
I can defend my family and myself and if need be a couple of my elderly neighbors!!!!!
It means my fiancée and I can take her daughter out on the weekends and teach her about firearms!!!! It means we are still a free country because we have the means and the Men and Women who are willing to pay the ultimate price in order for us to stay a free country!!!! Protect from all enemies foreign and Domestic!!!!!
US Army Light Infantry
1981 – 1996
Well first Of all I live in the country so:
911 response time to our community 10 minutes or more!!!!
1911 response time 2 to 3 seconds!!!!
I can defend my family and myself and if need be a couple of my elderly neighbors!!!!!
It means my fiancée and I can take her daughter out on the weekends and teach her about firearms!!!! It means we are still a free country because we have the means and the Men and Women who are willing to pay the ultimate price in order for us to stay a free country!!!! Protect from all enemies foreign and Domestic!!!!!
US Army Light Infantry
1981 – 1996
Well first Of all I live in the country so the
911 response time to our community is 10 minutes or more!!!!
1911 response time 2 to 3 seconds!!!!
I can defend my family and myself and if need be a couple of my elderly neighbors!!!!!
It means my fiancée and I can take her daughter out on the weekends and teach her about firearms!!!! It means we are still a free country because we have the means and the Men and Women who are willing to pay the ultimate price in order for us to stay a free country!!!! Protect from all enemies foreign and Domestic!!!!!
US Army Light Infantry
1981 – 1996
Well first Of all I live in the country so the
911 response time to our community is 10 minutes or more!!!!
1911 response time 2 to 3 seconds!!!!
I can defend my family and myself and if need be a couple of my elderly neighbors!!!!!
It means my fiancée and I can take her daughter out on the weekends and teach her about firearms!!!! It means we are still a free country because we have the means and the Men and Women who are willing to pay the ultimate price in order for us to stay a free country!!!! Protect from all enemies foreign and Domestic!!!!!
US Army Light Infantry
1981 – 1996
Here’s my math to it. It’s a part of those damn geometry proofs:
Guns = freedom
Freedom = choice
Therefore,
Guns = choice.
I choose to own a gun, I choose to go to work. I choose to live as a member of society who wants to help instead of hurt. And most importantly, I choose to defend the lives of my family and others as a citizen. My gun is my choice, and I’ll be damned if I don’t defend my freedoms.
What does a Gun mean to me?
Freedom,
And Freedom is worth fighting for, it’s worth dying for and it’s worth killing for.
Excellent Sin City reference.
What does a gun mean to me? Well, the only thing that comes to mind is…
” This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun.”
What are the feds trying to regulate sex now too?
“What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – Thomas Jefferson
As per Thomas Jefferson the role of firearms in a free country is mainly for murdering politicians and other agents of government. The government has no right except the right to perish.
Also the 9th amendment says:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Sorry, that was the tenth, the 9th says:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Freedom
Protection
Comments are closed.