“At one point, he blamed ‘the ease of acquiring a gun,’ referring to the assault-style rifle he had purchased about a week before the deadly shootings. He also claimed ‘Satan was in control’ that night.” – from Victims’ loved ones share their pain as Mukilteo shooter Allen Ivanov is sentenced to life [via seattletimes.com]

 

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  2. Well if Satan was in control I’m sure he could have found the guy a firearm. Or given him a whip of fire or something.

    • I doubt it. There’s really nothing to gain. He had already plead guilty and accepted life without the possibility of parole, in exchange for the state not seeking the death penalty. So nothing he could say at sentencing would alter the outcome.

      He’s probably just a seriously selfish and defective person: emotionally, morally, intellectually. This phony apology is him is part of his struggle to reconcile what he’s done, with what is expected behavior of normal people. His futile blame shifting, to imaginary characters and inanimate objects, of all things, is evidence of his conflict and refusal to accept responsibility.

      He’s very young, though, so he’ll have many decades of misery to ponder his past. I just wish he’d take a few moments aforehand to consider the consequences of his actions.

    • They probably told him if you say it was to easy to get a gun, they would have Bubba cut back on his daily visits.

  5. I blame the ski-jump hair-do. If he’d had a man-bun, like any proper effete, this never would have happened.

  6. He has/had nothing to gain by these and other reported comments he made because he had already plea bargained “Guilty” to avoid the Death Sentence. Typical Libtard response. Blame everyone and everything except yourself for your criminal behavior.
    This is nothing but a lesson in lame excuse making by a kid who couldn’t deal with rejection. Maybe an insight into the flawed character that pushed the young woman he killed into dumping him in the first place. Maybe an insight into the kind of f**ked-up, self-absorbed snowflakes the Public “Education” system is turning out today.

    • OH please, stop with the “Public “Education”” B.S. Public schools are a direct reflection of the communities they serve. The only reason that Private and Home schooling on AVERAGE are better is that they reflect they people who are willing to spend more time and money then most people on the education of their kids. However, very good public schools can do better than most private and almost all home schooled kids.

      • Name one public school district that outputs kids that perform better than homeschooled or even private schooled kids….

        Whether that be reading level, standardized test scores, college acceptance rates, take your pick.

        If It’s not an issue of the communities they serve, it’s an issue of a system that’s failing. You can’t say homeschoolers are better on average then turn around and say the public system could do it better and they just don’t. I’m sure they just require better funding right? Lol

        What you’re actually saying is that people that care about education tend to have better educations…who would’ve thought?

        • I think he is suggesting that the averages are skewed, so it is a bad comparison. Parents that home school or send their kids to private schools inherently care about the education of their children. Of course they will have better results, on average, than the entire public school system.

          Public education has a lot of kids that come from broken homes. Kids whose parents are in gangs, prison, or just don’t care. Some kids even join gangs before they finish elementary school. Their personal lives pretty much set them up for failure. Everybody likes to blame public education, though.

        • Blake:
          Adlai E. Stevenson High School
          Lincolnshire, IL

          The 4 Chicago Magnet schools probably do better, but that is cheating as the student’s are picked from the entire school system.

        • Looked up the stats of Adlai and given the accolades it’s received it seems to have its act together, I’ll give you that.

          The problem with public education is the inflexibility inherent in it. Taking every kid and giving them the same education is a recipe for failure. Let free market get into the education business. Keep the public option for families that can’t afford it. The remaining family’s get a tax break should they choose to pursue an education outside the “system”. That tax break goes towards the child’s education and is withheld if proof of enrollment isn’t provided. Autistic kid? You get to send him to a school tailored for autistic children. Hands-on-learner? Likewise. It’s been shown time and time again people learn in different manners, and dependent on that manner they’ll naturally excel at certain activities. It’s foolish not to capitalize on that, and public school fails at it. No government intrusion into what you kid “needs” to learn. That’s the business of the parent, not some guy I’ve never heard of that I didn’t even vote for.

          Each child gets an education tailored to their way of learning, or their interests. Public schools, which still exist, now have smaller class sizes where kids that typically fail in the current system get more attention without holding back the rest of the class or constantly being stuck in remediation/A-school/ the principles office. Less staff, small buildings, less transportation….more money saved as the fat gets trimmed.

          The sad fact of the matter is the average child could get a better education for free over the Internet than they could in the average public school.

        • Blake: Again in comes down to the parents. The reason the private schools do so well is that the parents are willing to spend the time and resources to make sure the kids do well in school. The same is true of public and private schools. All the vouchers do is turn private schools into public ones. Make it cheap enough and easy enough to put kids into private schools and you will see no difference. The reason the Stevenson is such a good school it that a lot people move into the school district from Chicago just to send their kids there. Again, parents that are willing to spend time and resources to make sure their kids are going to get a good education.
          Now maybe I’m bias as I went to Main East, (another NW Chicago suburb school that was a top ten in the country at the time). My family moved there just for the school (and moved back into Chicago the year my brother graduated). I think it is funny how even back then my parents we always taking about the possibility of vouchers.
          And now I also live where I do because of the schools. If the public schools were not what they were, my kid would be going to private school.

  8. I’ll put that one on the list right after the twinkie defense, monosodium glutamate, gay panic, and affluenza.

  11. I wonder if this character is a recidivist. Here in Wisconsin, we tend to run a revolving-door ‘justice’ system which enables criminals. Our Wisconsin system, in its infinite lack of wisdom. just put a convicted sex offender next door within less than fifty yards of three families with young children—this is a family neighborhood. And, we supposedly are a ‘conservative’ state now because Republicans control the state legislature, the state Supreme Court and the governor’s office. The sex offender was convicted of exposing himself to a minor and is a lifetime sex offender registrant with rape convictions too.

    Guns are your only real defense against crime. Don’t rely on the government.. they’re so inept that they are actually fueling crime by letting heinous crimes go unpunished, so why would you rely on their ineptitude for the protection of yourself and your family?

    • You’re kind of silly. He was 19 at the time, and was able to buy a rifle with a background check, so of COURSE he had no prior convictions.

      • Anyone can buy a rifle off Armslist or whatever without a background check so your point is moot. The Seattle Times article does not mention whether this nut went through a background check to purchase his rifle or not. Nor does it mention any prior conviction record or lack thereof. Anyhow, my point is obviously a general one and was not locked into the specific details of this peculiar case.

        • Dear Ticked Off,
          You’re new here, aren’t you? I agree with you about firearms being a great defense against crime, about personal responsibility, and about lax tracking and castration of sex offenders. However, your comment about no background check on Armslist, “or whatever” gives credence to your lack of knowledge on that subject.
          Sincerely,
          Dan in CO

        • @Dan in CO

          Your response is ad hominem. I’m not new to comment boards, no, as if that were even relevant. Also, I buy guns on Armslist: there are no background checks as these buys are from non-FFL civilian to non-FFL civilian. You can get any gun you want on Armslist without any background check whatsoever.

          You tend to nitpick about things that don’t really matter. Focus on what’s important. I did.

        • Nothing wrong with no background checks! That’s the way it should be! I don’t go through a background check to rent a U-Haul, when I buy fertilizer at the store, or when I get a new cutlery set. People are going to kill people with whatever method they have available to them, or whatever method they can create for them. Adding endless paperwork and regulations to our lives won’t stop that and it only makes everyone’s lives more burdensome.

        • Castration doesn’t work on sex offenders. At best, the threat of it might be a deterrent but you can say the same about the risk prison or getting shot and neither of those is enough to stop them reliably. About all that does work is segregating them from society either in a cell or a coffin.

        • TO: So please eludicate under what circumstances you purchased a firearm off the internet with no background checks?

          Otherwise, might I suggest putting the shovel down?

        • @No one of consequence

          It is legal to buy and sell guns in my state ‘civilian to civilian’ without asking for any personal info at all. I cannot sell to persons who are under 18 for rifles and 21 for handguns. I cannot sell to persons who reside out-of-state without using an FFL. I ask for an ID and CCW and I do a background check online, but it’s not required by law.

        • Dear troll, I called you a troll because you acted like a troll. I said you lack knowledge because you do. You cited the Seattle Times for their lack of information, not on any specifics relating to the case. I did not infer that you were new to message boards, you are new to this one though.

          “General” comments or not, you will get no less ridicule from me for them. Maybe I nitpick you because details matter. Hmmm, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

        • @Kendahl

          Agreed. Sex offenders should NEVER be allowed to reside in neighborhoods where there are children. Ever. If that inconveniences the sex offenders, too bad.

        • @Kendahl, the threat of castration may not prevent crime, but it (the actual procedure of castration on a sex offender) sure does put a damper on any going back to that life!

        • @Dan in CO

          You are ‘gaslighting’ yet again. If you don’t know what that term means, well, Google is your friend.

          Gaslighting is what trolls do: mirror, mirror on the wall….

        • @Tickedoff, if at first you don’t succeed, call your opponent names and disparage them. Throwing around terms only matters if they stick.

          Gaslighting. Am I making you doubt your sanity, perception, or memory? If I am, you must be a relatively weak minded individual. I guess you keep up with all of the liberal tripe because that term seems to be circling the media toilet of CNN, NBC, etc.

          Throwing around names only matters if they stick… Troll. Go tell your pals at Mom’s Demand Action that you’ve got to get another screen name from your overlord.

        • This whole argument is moot, because Ticked Off’s premise is false. Mukilteo is in Washington. It has been illegal for over two years now to transfer (including sell, loan, or just hand over for a moment) a firearm without a background check, with a few exceptions covering spouses, temporary loans at a range, etc.
          So either this guy bought the rifle with a background check in the past two years, or he bought it before I-594 went into effect (illegally, because he was under 18), or he bought it without a background check on the black market. In any case, universal background checks did nothing to hinder him from committing his crime.

    • Nothing wrong with no background checks! That’s the way it should be! I don’t go through a background check to rent a U-Haul, when I buy fertilizer at the store, or when I get a new cutlery set. People are going to kill people with whatever method they have available to them, or whatever method they can create for them. Adding endless paperwork and regulations to our lives won’t stop that and it only makes everyone’s lives more burdensome.

    • Revolver question, what do you prefer for j frame snubbies? A lot of talk about the 135 gold dot, and the158 FBI round, do you have an opinion?

      • For my .38 Special snubs, I rely on Hornady 110 gr Flex-Tip Critical Defense for SD ammo, and the cheapest 110 gr ammo I can buy for range use.

        I don’t like +P or .357Mag snubs and don’t use either. I also don’t like heavier bullets, so I don’t use them either.

        It’s my personal preference. YMMV.

        • Thanks, I’ve carried the gold dot, tried different buffalo bore rounds, and of course placement is key. Btw, I’m a practicing ambulance chaser in central Ma, know many attorneys in Boston area, you no longer practice?

      • Be carefull with the all lead +p loads in a lightweight j frame. One of the fbi loads walked a bullet in my airweight and locked the cylinder up till I worked it free.

        I use jacketed bullets in my j frame.

  13. And Ted Bundy blamed easy access to porn.

    By the way, Seattle Times, there is no such thing as a Ruger Model AR-15

    • Well at least they managed to spell ‘R-u-g-e-r’ correctly. That’s pretty damn good for a ‘journalist’.

    • “…he purchased a Ruger AR-15 semi-automatic rifle…”

      That’s actually pretty good considering how the media will butcher anything gun related.

  14. Personally, I believe anyone who would do something like that has mental problems. He might really believe “the devil made him do it”. People that here voices in thier own head attribute it to the devil, since they have no one else to blame.
    Whether or not this “mental problems” resolve him of guilt is another story

    • IMO, the “he must have mental problems” theory is from a bias normal people have about those who simply are evil. It’s hard to understand the evil person, so he must be (to use the proper term) nuts.
      But that’s wrong. Some people just want to do the wrong thing. Some people are really just evil. Or they really just have poor impulse control (possibly, a lax upbringing can be blamed, but society tends to straighten such people out before they get truly dangerous). Others don’t know how to handle a serious blow to their ego or concept of social order. Or, he’s pissed because his girlfriend dumped him.
      All I need to do to see such people is look at Facebook, to see the snowflakes who just can’t handle Trump’s victory, and must resort to personal attacks on him to make themselves feel better.
      Such people aren’t mentally defective; they simply refuse to think things through, possibly because rthere have been no consequences earlier in their lives.
      I’m not discounting mental illness, just saying that we attribute it to too many people who do truly awful things.

      • And I’m not dismissing your opinion but I have a hard time wrapping my head around people who do the really, really horrible random things (killing their children or 20 strangers in a movie theater, or 10 in a church, etc) without thinking they are really crazy. I know there are people who do these things who are not crazy (ISIL) but they are motivated by something. For them, it has a message. It’s not random. Sometimes it makes me think Satan is real.

  15. He purchased the AR legally at Cabelas.

    Our governor-wannabe AG is using the tragedy of these three deaths to call for legislation banning “assault weapons” and “high” capacity magazines. He’s had this simmering for a while just waiting for the right tragedy to pursue it. Too bad he will be facing the wrong Supreme Court appointees. Bet he never counted on that one…

    Apparently the murder, decapitation and burning of two women here recently has not prompted him to call for the Legislature to ban sharp things and combustion.

    • and if it doesn’t make it through the state house, he wants them be initiatives to be voted on by the people. If the past is an indication we are screwed. SCOTUS or not, it will take years in the court system to be overturned and then they will just find another way to push through their agenda.

  16. The spectacle of judicial government. The belief that a civilized society can administer justice when a 19 year old murders three citizens. Families cannot morn their dead by rewarding three meals and a cot while having a good cry in a courtroom.

  18. Poster boy for the death penalty. And takes a parting shot(get it?) against the 2A. Die in prison and meet your god…

    • I have no objection to capital punishment as long as guilt has been determined by a rigorous and thorough investigation. On the other hand to appease the anti-death penalty folks I propose a compromise that life in prison could indeed become the most feared deterrent of all if only the US prison system were allowed to operate like some of the penal colonies in modern day Russia.
      Imprisonment there is meant to crush you not rehabilitate you.
      Google “Russian prison brutality” if you need further convincing.

  20. So someone who does the bidding of Satan also decries easy access to assault rifles.
    Makes perfect sense to me.

  22. Trying to find legislation to prevent an undocumented mentally unstable person with a clean record is impossible and it’s futile to try.

    In those circumstances we have to rely on society to identify the mentally deficient individual before they acquire a firearm (even though there are an infinite number of other weapons at their disposal to find, acquire, or use).

    In the majority of cases of undocumented mentally ill persons, their psychologist, relatives, or friends failed to take appropriate action which likely would’ve resulted in the person being committed and then they would have been restricted from standard firearms purchases.

    Why is this concept so hard to understand?

  23. He’s a liberal coward. He can’t own up to what he did and he blames everything else. I bet this spoiled brat got a free trophy for doing nothing as a kid.

  24. Blake: Again in comes down to the parents. The reason the private schools do so well is that the parents are willing to spend the time and resources to make sure the kids do well in school. The same is true of public and private schools. All the vouchers do is turn private schools into public ones. Make it cheap enough and easy enough to put kids into private schools and you will see no difference. The reason the Stevenson is such a good school it that a lot people move into the school district from Chicago just to send their kids there. Again, parents that are willing to spend time and resources to make sure their kids are going to get a good education.
    Now maybe I’m bias as I went to Main East, (another NW Chicago suburb school that was a top ten in the country at the time). My family moved there just for the school (and moved back into Chicago the year my brother graduated). I think it is funny how even back then my parents we always taking about the possibility of vouchers.
    And now I also live where I do because of the schools. If the public schools were not what they were, my kid would be going to private school.

  25. Got anything else??…. Maybe possessed by Justin Bieber? Too many Red Bulls? Metalica to blame? Anything else? ANY thing at all?

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