“Together, we’ll work with Americans to elect candidates up and down the ballot who are committed to protecting the rights of law-abiding people while taking responsible steps that prevent gun tragedies. We will keep working hard to elect Hillary Clinton as our next president. She is the only candidate in this race with a record of taking on the gun lobby and a serious plan to make our families safer from gun violence. She is the gun-safety candidate our country needs.” – Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly in Beginning of the end of gun violence starts now [via burlingtoncountytimes.com]
So what you’re saying is… It’s all downhill from here?
For the win!
“Protect rights by taking them away”….Only a brain dead leftist could say something like this.
She was shot in the head and did not die, what does this tell you?
I certainly pray not, but I fear that if elected, Hillary will cause the 2nd (pun intended) American Revolution. Words written so long ago seem all too necessary now.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
I’ve run through the Declaration a couple of times. There are something like 27 specific grievances, our current government has repeated at least 22 of them. The founders would have been a little past loading their muskets by now….
And yet, we actually have the legal power to change that, unlike the founders with regard to British rule. All we need to do is to convince our fellow citizens.
A Republic – if you can keep it.
They did, indeed, load their muskets. Down here, we refer to the result as “The War for Southern Independence.” The overreaching, all powerful federal government we have today is the direct result of that conflict.
Thank You for the “Back to OUR Basics” reminder. I never tire of reading our founding documents.
I’m not sure that Hillary will do anything much more egregious than Obama… except perhaps for the court nominations.
Fock ’em. Hillary too.
The tentative good news is it looks like the House is safe, and maybe the Senate as well if the HildaBeast wins…
THAT is what seems to be really important in this election. A GOP House and (hopefully) Senate will keep her in check, and prevent any major damage to our 2A rights.
Except, as we’ve seen under Obama’s reign of terror, Democrats have no problem with using imperial decrees to create new laws without the approval of Congress and Republicans lack the spine to stand up to them.
Agreed, a President cannot pass laws, though he/she can issue executive orders re: the ATF that can be a pain in the ass for gun owners. As far as actual bans on types of guns that can be owned, that would take legislation passed by both the House and Senate, so if Hillary wins then keeping both in Republican majorities would prevent that.
The real danger is that the next president will appoint at least one and (especially if it is Hillary) up to four Supreme Court justices. Right now it is at 4-4 between those who voted to strike down the law in Heller, vs. those who want to reverse that decision.
All that means is that they tell me they love me before they butt fvck me.
Go ahead, start your civil war leftists.
It never ceases to amaze me that the people against guns are the ones constantly pushing for a civil war.
I sure don’t like recent astronauts.
Kelly didn’t invent stupid flyboy. John Glenn was the 1st POS US astrozoomie. No bigger POS progtard in Congress in his day.
I know that for no fault of her’s, Giffords lost part of her brains. Quantity-wise, it was a small loss, but a big one in terms of percentage. But Kelly? Is this the best that America has? At least I thought that astronauts were supposed to have been smart. Then again, I thought that presidents were supposed to be smart, too.
“At least I thought that astronauts were supposed to have been smart.”
It’s not a question of smart or not smart. It’s a question of Statist/Collectivist vs Individualist.
It has been said and written a lot that this election is less about “left – right” and more about “authoritarian – little-l-libertarian.”
Kelly was an astronaut…he has been employed by the government and has received a government paycheck – and bought into the lies of that environment. So has his wife. They are both steeped in the mindset that all solutions, all progress (eg, space exploration), comes from the top down.
Read their various quotes. Everything they say is about .gov providing solutions while ignoring personal responsibility, and more importantly, those who would CHOOSE personal responsibility over being mere chattel for the likes of them to ‘consume.’
What you say is true. However, he also took an oath of office to ‘support and defend the Constitution of the United States’ several times during his career as a Naval Officer. This SHOULD mean something but it obviously doesn’t. He’s no better than a tin-pot dictator wanna-be from some backwater swamp.
Don’t disagree at all. I am certainly not defending his positions.
Just pointing out that being willfully treasonous does not make him ‘not smart.’ Intelligent deception can be dangerous, and Kelly’s dreams for our future are exactly that: dangerous.
JR wrote:
“It’s not a question of smart or not smart. It’s a question of Statist/Collectivist vs Individualist.”
There’s more truth to that than you may realize. Fighter jocks and Astronauts are intelligent, you have to have that to operate in that environ.
There’s something more important that NASA looks for; Is the astronaut candidate a team player?
Naval aviators and astronauts are disposable. They know this. The mission is far more important than any of the crew members. They want in that job someone who WILL NOT QUIT, *EVER*.
It’s the same personality type that Navy SEALs are known for, and two astronauts are in fact ex-Navy SEALs.
It’s no coincidence…
I have personally known a number of officers. I would say that their high integrity level starts to take a dive right around colonel/Navy captain level. By the time they get a star, the integrity is left way behind.
It probably speaks well about my father that he retired as an O-5, then.
You guys are looking way too deep at Kelly. He was simply bought off by Bloomberg. His income took a massive drop when the cash of the Gifford political machine stopped after the gunshot.
No, I grow weary of that Randian “collectivist vs. statist” argument. It’s one of those things that makes us feel like we’re thinking and understanding, even when we’re not. It also doesn’t convince anyone who isn’t already convinced.
The explanation may be as simple as this:
Odds are that Kelly never devoted much thought to the issue of gun control. Suddenly his wife was attacked and suffered grievous bodily injury by someone using a firearm. Given the social and political circles they run in, a steady stream of people who apparently wish to help, point out that he could help stop things like this in future (he is a man of some knowledge and accomplishment, and was unable to stop an attack on his wife, after all – what man worthy of the title wouldn’t feel regret and guilt and desire to atone over that,) and all he has to do is stump for them on the gun control issue. He’s a can-do kind of guy (you don’t become an astronaut otherwise,) so naturally he throws himself into the task.
That doesn’t make him right, but it does make him more understandable.
An impulsive person’s initial response may have been as you described it. But I don’t think that astronauts are impulsive and in any case he had years to weigh the issue. I would agree that the canon fodder does not parse the world into Randian terms, but their leadership certainly does.
Everyone’s “impulsive” in the right context.
Johannes, Agreed. People do things for reasons. They may be the wrong reasons, the reasoning may not hold to scrutiny, the reasoning may be bat-guano crazy, but they almost always have a reason.
Alexander, I think you ascribe a bit too much ability to emotionally detach from his wife. That, and once you start a train rolling, with money and fame at every whistle-stop, it seriously discourages one from thinking about getting off, let alone why you’re on the train at all.
@16V I think it’s certainly a more reasonable — and helpful — way to look at Kelly and why he’s doing and saying what he’s doing.
Here’s the thing: if your persuasive argument hinges on trashing the Astronaut profession, and you’re in America, that dog ain’t going to hunt. If you throw in Randian rhetoric in addition to all that, not only won’t the dog hunt, he’s going to take a crap in your hunting cabin and go to sleep while you’re out shivering in a duck blind.
Yeah, W.
Those folks are in fact as dumb as they look, well dressed stupid fucks, so if the anti-gun folks are to start a civil war, how are they ever going to fight us pro-gun folk? Oh yeah, guns.
Never ceists to amaze me the creativity of public servants when a career ends, adopt a new cause, obtain funding and be perfectly content to work denying citizens their natural and constitutionally protected rights. Hopefully, noting a lost cause on November 9th their funding is withdrawn.
Are these people unaware that criminal homicide is less than it was in 1960?
I wasn’t, so thanks. I ALMOST believe it’s the firearm that only causes destruction, instead of protection, depending on the local law (LOL).
give it a decade with liberals still in charge of cities…
Mark Kelly and his stupid-crazy (D) made sock-puppet, both agree, you’re oppress-able.
I attended a panel discussion headed by Mark and Gabby at the VA State Capitol, with a group of VCDL members. We were all carrying and all wearing our orange “Guns Save Lives” buttons. The VCDL was not allow a place on the panel, nor were we allowed to speak or ask questions. So much for 1A! Mark and Gabby did come over to us specifically and introduce themselves. They were very gracious and assured us that they support the RTKABA.
Then the panel discussion started and the whole RTKABA thing went to hell in a handbasket. Here’s what they want and they made it very clear.
> UBC’s, of course.
> “Assault rifle” ban and mag limits, of course
> The no-fly list, of course
> Documentation, under penalty of law against the owner, of every single change in gun ownership. That means sale, gift, inheritance, theft, loss, build, etc.
> “The California Plan” for guns and mental health. Anyone who knows a gun owner could go to the authorities and claim someone is mentally unstable and a danger to themselves or others. A judge can then order suspension of gun rights for up to a year without due process and direct LE to confiscate that person’s guns and any other guns in their house, because the person in question could have access to them. Get this: Mental health professionals can NOT be involved, because they don’t want to get into the problems of patient confidentiality and malpractice. So not only is there no due process, the determination of mental issues is done by amateurs, by design. This could be SWATTING on a whole new level.
JMF552: Good to know (not happy to know about “forked tongues.”) And Thanks to VCDL for helping to preserve our Constitution which is STILL under attack since its ratification (AKA Term Limits, NO career Politicians).
Make no mistake: all this gun ____ (control, safety, reform, etc.) activity is about squashing the political enemies of Progressive ideology, nothing more and nothing less.
Whether Progressives want to use firearm laws as a tool to silence/imprison their political opposition or Progressives figure that they must neuter firearm owners before using their firearms and force to halt Progressive ideology is neither here nor there.
Right now, Progressives want to hall all of our firearms away on trains to be eliminated. After that, Progressives will want to hall all of their political enemies away on trains to be eliminated.
Haul
Funny, that Marky and Gabs completely focus on the gun part of her assault and you hear nothing about the mental health part of her assault; ’cause her assaulter was completely batshit.
It’s almost like one couldn’t make a career of restricting the rights of the mentally ill, so they chose the one where they could suckle from the anti-gun liberal teat.
More talk upstream about a civil war or revolution. We potg are drawing lines in the sand and declaring ourselves ready to fight or secede. All the while the war is already under way. The 8% are already openly fighting the police and the .gov in cities all across America.
We talk. They fight. Wonder if they’ll let us have a say in the new .gov?
They control the inner cities. We keep the rest. Sounds doable to me.
We haven’t kept anything. So far it’s just talk. As a group we speak against the cops as the henchmen of the .gov. Yet when the 8%ers act out we back the cops. If the outspoken cop haters that comment here were serious they would be in the streets adding to the 8%.
And if they’re not serious then the 8%ers are going to control it all. After all, they have 5% more than the legendary 3%.
Or maybe its time to admit that we aren’t nearly as rebellious or fed up as our rhetoric implies.
You can try and incite here all you want, but nobody other than anonymous Internet blowhards are calling for push-back. There is no reason at the present for push-back. So give it a rest.
And by the way, how do you know that “the outspoken cop haters here” aren’t out in the streets with your mythical “8%”?
“give it a rest”. You the ttag hall monitor? got your reflective vest and plastic badge and whistle? Just cause you change your handle more than your underwear doesn’t give you credibility.
It’s funny but I saw my 1st big fat midde aged white gal with a”Hillary for president” t-shirt on. NOTHING and I mean nothing like the messiah-like frenzy for Bury Soetoro. Major tom and his puppet may not be happy with the erection outcome. Anywho I was at a large fleamarket and Hillary for prison and pro-Trump stuff was EVERYWHERE…if we get off our azzes the Hildebeast can be defeated.
FWW, It would be much easier to get people off their azzes if Trump could just quit screwin’ the pooch and acting like a frakkin’ 12 year old.. It looked like he had pulled it together there for a week or so, and he had Hildebeast on the ropes.
Then right back to 3 AM Tweets about a former Miss Universe or whatever she was. Ugh.
If the thought of hillary in the white house doesn’t get people motivated I don’t think anything will.
Trump can come on stage buck naked and juggling midget hookers and I will vote for him. And I don’t like him, either.
You crank out some good ones. Not often.
Even getting your approval will not stop me from voting for Trump. And your opinion matters less than hillary’s to me.
Becoming an astronaut is nothing more than a bootlicking excericse done to get a one in a million chance to ‘boldy go where no man has gone before’. Astronauts tend to be highly educated, automatons that regurgitiate whatever they are told to in the hopes of getting picked for such a choice honor.
I hate it when people demonize the gun lobby. It’s one of those things that just discredits every last word you have said and will say until you stop doing that. It’s a crazy political sophistry that needs to stop.
Somebody should have got BINGO out this quote alone
Together…protecting the rights…. law-abiding… responsible steps… prevent gun tragedies… taking on the gun lobby…. a serious plan… our families… safer… gun violence… gun-safety…
Personal note…. when I hear ‘our families’ the first thing that comes to mind is FUMF! What kind of racist codeword bullshite is this ‘our families’? Do me and mine not count as ‘a family’ to you?
“Do me and mine not count as ‘a family’ to you?”
Of course not, prole. How dare you think otherwise. The pigs are in the farmer’s house and they are more equal than everyone else.
The real crime is the way Kelly trots his wife around for the pity support has her read a few short lines and then takes over. He is such a tool. The whole getting shot and left with brain damage really put a kink in his political aspirations.
Never forget if hillary wins the supergau/worst case come >> replace of scalias !!
So you must vote for trump !
Let us in on a secret. Or at leas give us a hint. Is the language in your first paragraph an Indo-European language?
Yeah and after Ms. Gifford’s prepared statement she went on to say, “I bwe@%#^$ H e byq53 32b, thul buf.”
Can we please go back in time and lose Gabby while keeping John Roll instead? That’s the man we should be putting on the Supreme Court, and his loss was the real tragedy that day.
Yeah and after Ms. Gifford’s prepared statement she went on to say, “I bwee thi waunnf a hartpyig en duh all wazshe she b nuy nmjohke fu te de.”
That was an excellent laugh. I got a really good hardy laugh out of that one.
I had a little vomit catch in the back of my throat. “Yes, I know /sarc.”
Wouldn’t banning “assault weapons” put a serious dent in the ability of the private market to push the envelope of development and evolution for individually issued firearms of military personal?
Common Sense Gun Reform??? Sure. It’s called Constitutional Carry.
We’re up to what, 11 or 16 States, depending on how you define it. And apparently more on the way.
She’s like a ventriloquist dummy. I’m not sure that she has the mental faculty to form her own opinion anymore. It just seems like she parrots everything Mark tells her to say.
Robert Farago:
Will you Puh-LEEZE get rid of the bandwidth hogging autoplay videos?
I realize that yes, they are gun related. But they are gratuitous bandwidth hogs nonetheless. At the very least, let US decide whether we want to watch them.
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