“I’m not going to (expletive) tell you anything. You don’t know what I’m capable of.” – Unidenfied 11-year-old, Eleven-year-old who allegedly brought gun to school erupts after being ordered to remain in custody [at nbcnews.com]

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  1. Capable of crossing the magical line of a gun free zone apparently. Wonder how he did that? This kid must be a wizard.

  3. Sounds like someone needs an arse whipping. That’s what a huge problem with our youth is they are coddled and get away with everything. Give them little brats the belt…. Teach them they need to respect others, and themselves, show them how to be socially appropriate and not little dirt bags.

    • It seems to me no adult (I know nothing about this case or his parents, but I’m thinking of a father figure here) has ever said to this kid, “No, you little shit, you don’t know what I’m capable of.”

      Y’know, the old “I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it” line.

      My parents never “hit” me, though I did get spanked quite a few times in my life. I remember distinctly the only three times my parents ever “hit” me. Two were my dad, who literally smacked me up the backside of the head, and one was my mom who slapped me. In all three cases I was not a child, but a teenager by that point. All three were one hit, and one hit only. I remember all three instances (and the circumstances surrounding them) distinctly, and in retrospect, I deserved every one of them. I was being a punk kid (in the case of my mom slapping me, very disrespectful), and all three modified my behavior immediately and with lasting effect. Some people would call all three of those child abuse, but from my point of view it would have been more abusive to let the behavior continue uncorrected.

      • Nice link, my dad would give me the belt 1-2 taps on the behind, I remember getting slapped twice for being disrespectful 11, 13. Once when I was a teen my dad went off the deep end and punched me. But when I deserved punishment I got it. All but that last punch, he accused me of something I did not do.

      • True dat, homey.

        We didn’t get beaten every day. We didn’t have to be. If we did, it was because we were being little bastards. We feared the threat, not the actuality. It’s called respect.

        The problem is people telling kids the second their mother poops them out that anything they don’t like constitutes abuse. Your mother shouting at you for breaking the tv or smacking you for mocking a disabled person or laughing at someone who just lost their family in a car accudent isn’t abuse.

        It’s called good parenting.

        • How’s this for fearing the threat? I once made my dad so mad that he made a paddle. I don’t even recall what I did. He told me to sit on the couch (which shared a wall with the garage) and not get up until he told me. He then went out into the garage and grabbed a piece of scrap redwood he had laying around, and started fashioning it into a paddle. It kinda looked like a cricket bat, but with a shorter handle and four or five 1.5″ holes down its length (to cut down on air resistance, I presume). He did not tell me what he was doing out there with all the power tool sounds, but during its construction, he called me out there four or five times to discuss my infraction, so I could see it coming along, and then he’d send me back to the couch.

          When he was done, he came inside, leaned the paddle against the wall, and sat down and discussed my infraction one last time. Then I was free to go. He never used the paddle, on that day or any other.

          The funny thing is, unlike my three examples above, I have zero recollection of what I did to bring this all about. But the image of that paddle is seared into my memory.

        • @ Matt: That sounds like something my dad would do. He’s also into wood working. While I would never say that my parents were abusive, they certainly weren’t lassez-faire parents. I was a pretty unruly kid most of the time. There are numerous occasions that are seared into my memory that involved getting my ass whooped by both mom and dad.

          I was an Air Force brat, my dad was almost never there, so my mom usually compiled lists of infractions for my dad to address when he got home from being deployed. The most memorable instance of my dad addressing such infractions occurred when I was about 14 or so. I had gotten caught smoking weed after school by one of our neighbors who was a deputy sheriff. To summarize, the event involved me swinging on him after a thorough dressing down, he deflected my punch and proceeded to break my nose, not just a nose bleed, that nose was seriously broken. To put things in context, when I was 14 I was already taller and bigger than my father, I was around 6 feet tall 190 lbs or so, and my dad is about 5’9″ 160. He was very apologetic. I totally deserved it, and never once to this day have I talked back to my dad. In any case, I genuinely feel that I am a better man today for having been brought up with a sense of discipline and responsibility. My father impressed upon me that actions have consequences. Every time I look in the mirror and see that lump on the bridge of my schnoz, I am reminded that no matter how big of a badass I may think myself to be, there is someone who is a bigger badass that isn’t going to take shit from me. Some kids today could benefit from similar lessons in respect.

        • Jared, when I was 14 I was an inch taller than my old man and 10 pounds heavier. And I had a wild streak. My old man didn’t break my nose. But the time came when he had to either win the fight or lose me. He won the fight. To this day I’m gratefull to him for putting me right.

          On a side note, in boot camp we had a long discussion about those father fights we boys had. Some of the guys were in the service because of those fights. But the funniest father fight stories almost always came from the guys from Brooklyn. My sides hurt laughing so much at their stories.

        • Yup. 13, got caught shoplifting a pair of brake pads for my bike. I can still remember the price. .78 cents.
          Dad made ME pick out the piece of wood from the scrap pile. Never even came close to thinking about shoplifting again.

          • Heh, the time I got caught shoplifting I was younger than that, almost certainly younger than 10, and I didn’t get a spanking. Dad and I had gone to the local builder’s supply to get supplies for a school project, pulleys and rope. I stole a red round reflector, about 3.5″ across, because it was shiny, I guess. I think it was about 50 cents. It was less than a week before my mom found it. After we talked about it at home, my dad and I went back to the builder’s supply, and he asked for the manager. When he showed up, my dad didn’t say a word, just pushed me forward, and had me explain what I’d done to the manager, give the reflector back, and apologize. Of course there were the requisite warnings that the police could come and take me away in handcuffs (remember how terrified you were of cops and handcuffs at 8-10 years old?). I think I was grounded for a couple weeks after I got home, but the lesson was designed to show me the impact on other people, and it worked.

        • I remember when I was 16 I broke curfew and tore up the yard skidding in at 3 am well the old man was up and caught me. After a thorough reading of my pedigree I made a smart ass remark and swung on him… never I mean NEVER swing on a veteran of at least 5 conflicts. I think I caught him once and put him down but when he come up he had a chubk of wood in his hand and laid me out with it. When I woke up I learned the two greatest truths. 1. There is no such thing as fair during a fight and 2. It would be beneficial to me to not pick fights and respect my elders.

      • my old man just raised his voice and scared me. in fact, he was dying of cancer and almost bed-ridden but if he said “Boy!”, I still cringed. This kid needs a foot in his ass. I am guessing his mom has had a string of men show up and none were around long enough to make the kid learn respect

      • Yup.

        My parents never hit me except for the four times they did. I remember every time and why they did it, and every time, they were right.

      • Matt,

        Couldn’t post this below your paddle post. My mother had an equally effective means of psychological pre-spanking punishment. Many of you southern folks are quite familiar with it, I’m sure. It was the tried and true “pick your own switch” game. Spending 10 minutes staring at a bush or tree trying to find just the right size between leg breaking thick and too small…which led to her selecting her own (almost leg breaking size) and giving a couple of extra swats for good measure, was usually far worse than the spanking itself. Thank God she couldn’t (or wouldn’t) hit very hard. She also single-handedly kept the wooden spoon industry in business.

        On the other hand, my dad quit spanking me when I was about 12. After that, it was an hour long lecture (actually, the same lecture repeated 10 times). Which was way worse than a 30 second session with the belt. Apparently it worked, since I never saw the inside of a detention hall or police car, and rarely saw the principal’s office, except for the few times when I took care of my own bullying problems the old fashioned way. Sigh….I miss the good ole days. Kids had a lot more respect for everything.

        • My mother started with her hand, but when that got too painful (for her), she moved up to the good old wooden spoon. But when she broke those, she went all out and started using her oak sorority hazing paddle–and that sucker would lay one on you for sure. Three swats and we’d be on the floor begging for no more.

        • The only thing I ever got spanked for was lying. My folks never used their hands, or a wooden spoon. A few times a belt, but what got used most often (and it got used a lot, I’m sad to say) was an old paddle-ball paddle. You know the ones, made out of something like 1/8″ plywood? Actually a series of them, because I wore a few out. In retrospect, it was the perfect thing. Light enough to get a good swing on without doing any real damage. Stung like a mfer, though. One time my mom broke the handle off, and my dad wrapped the broken spot in duct tape. That was wicked, because it gave it a “wrist-snap” action. If I think hard, I can still feel it, nigh-on 30 years later.

          You should know I was literally smiling to myself as I typed that, because I was far, far from abused. The punishments were always deserved and appropriate, and the anticipation was virtually always worse than the actual spanking.

  4. Scary thing is that since he didn’t kill anyone they will probably just pump him full of (even more) psychotropics and unleash him upon the public before he’s 18. After a few years in “the system” he will learn all kinds of tricks and many more practical ways to express his unhinged bravado.

    I’m not saying I know what to do with kids like this, but what we’re doing isn’t working. A couple years ago one co-worker of mine who was not very bright told me she thought they should send all the crazy, violent criminals to go “fight in wars” so other people didn’t have to.

    That sounded pretty stupid, but I’m starting to think an old school Colosseum would be a good idea. They could convert existing NASCAR tracks and add lion pits and those fancy cameras the NFL uses. Let this kid keep his weapons and ammo, we’ll see if he’s Spartacus.

    • Well no, if he understood the 5th he would not have made the second statement that can be perceived to be a threat. He would have instead stated I’m not saying anything until I have a lawyer.

  6. Reminds me of the women who wrote “I am Adam Lanza’s Mother”. I bet the situation is very similar to what these parents are going through. How do you help a child who is this unstable when you can’t afford a shrink or don’t want to experience the peer pressure of having people know they have a kid in an asylum? One of the things people of the gun talk about is the need to reform the mental healthcare in this country, so maybe we should hope that Obamacare leads to that, or at least steer it in that direction (because we can’t steer it off a cliff ATM).

    • The funny thing is (working in cmh) they are pushing mental health workers towards physical health problems. Not once have I been to a meeting, or even provided any email that states planning for the dude that’s going to shoot up a school if we don’t give him xyz care.

    • Obamacare does not address mental health in any meaningful way. While the policies you are required to obtain and pay are more expensive because they must pay for mental health assistance and care, that is not the same as having a system in place that can help those with mental health issues. There is no program in place to help with the stigma of being mentally ill and being treated differently. Half of all police shootings where a person was killed, the person shot by police had a mental health issue. Nothing in Obamacare corrects that problem There are few states where the community and police and hospitals can work together to assist those with mental health issues. Over 1/3 of those in prison have mental health issues and are no better or even worse when released.

      The democrats in the 80s pretty much dismantled the mental health system. While there was talk about having a layered system with different levels of assistance from the local, regional and state level, it went no place because the democrats did not fund any of the changes. To be fair, there were many abuses in the system. But, instead of addressing and fixing the system, they simply dismantled it completely.

      Today, they try to treat everything with a pill. While chemicals can help, it is behavior modification and support system that is also needed which is not funded. We have today a system who can only help once you have completely failed and have harmed yourself or others.

      We are worried more about GMO produce than mental health issues.

      Note that once again, the shooter at LAX had called his brother and said he wanted to commit suicide. We have a system today where it is hard to get help because just like guns, if people find out you need mental health help, you are stigmatized, you can loose your job, your friends do not want to be around you — there is an irrational fear of those with mental health issues. Few are violent, but left untreated and without help, the systems can become worse to the point they can harm themselves and others.

      Obamacare only solved access, it does nothing for costs or for improvement of the system we have. Once people understand that, then we can solve healthcare because Obamacare is not the answer.

  7. I agree with FUG. They will probably just give some a whole slew of meds (that won’t be taken properly anyway) and just let him go. Just another menace to be dealt with after something bad happens.

  8. Let me ask you this. According to RF, this kid should be allowed to have gun up until the day he dies. Am I correct on this or not?

    • Once a person has paid their debt to society for breaking the law, they should get all of their rights back, to deny them a right to vote or to KABA is to create a class , by definition; of slaves.

      • I totally agree about being able to pay your debts, but its one of those horribly subjective things that entirely depends on the person and the desire in their heart. My neighbor and good friend is a ‘Nam Marine vet who went to jail for drugs after coming home. He is now a lay pastor and probably one of the biggest hearts of any man Ive ever met. But on paper and to the ruling elite, he is no different than a rapist or pederast.

      • Once a person has paid their debt to society for breaking the law

        I looked up the phrase “paid their debt to society” in the criminal codes of every state and couldn’t find it.

        However, I did find mention of “restitution” in the laws of some states. And I’m not aware of many criminals who ever made restitution to any person or family that they injured or destroyed.

        Violent felons should be prohibited from owning guns forever, or until they die, whichever comes first. They are scumbags.

        • A lot of people believe like you Ralph; it’s also why I believe there is such high level of recidivism; a criminal comes out of prison with two choices; be a law abiding subject treated with contempt by law abiding citizens and criminal alike; or continue being a criminal and at least get some respect from the criminal class.

          Yep, self fulling prophecy. Never forgive, never forget. At least while they are in prison, they know other inmates won’t have a gun.

      • Unfortunately, the fact that a person has broken the law, often serially, is to me an indication that he/she is likely to continue to do break the law, so pretending that, because the person has completed being punished for one violation, or even for a string of violations, he or she has been resored to the condition of primal innocence, is absurd. Depending on what their violation(s) has/have been, and how long it has been since the violations were committed, I am quite comfortable with some of these people never being allowed to own a firearm. If that shoe fits you, ThomasR, then slip that puppy on.

    • I may be wrong, but I dont remember reading anything to the likes of “those who plan to commit pre-meditated murder and get caught before they go loud” deserve the RKBA.

      • That’s the part about breaking the law. After they have been punished, as in “paid their debt to society” getting their rights back should be allowed, until they prove themselves to be un-reformed.
        Him being a juvenile, doesn’t give him many recognized rights, at least as to voting or bearing of arms.

  9. Kinda timely for me. Just had intruder/active shooter training at my school. Stategos International showed us how not to sit around and wait to get shot. Good stuff. One of our best professional development sessions ever.

  11. “A voice” told him to bring a gun to school, kill his classmate, and kill himself.

    Was that voice every g*ddamned 24 hour news station in the world sensationalizing?

    • If the voice you refer to started calling these people what they are, these kids wouldn’t be so quick to listen to it. If the 24hr news voice started referring to them as weak, troubled, spoiled, off-balance children instead of “teen gunmen”, “shooters”, “gunmen wielding an assault weapon” maybe these kids would find some other way to get attention. The vocabulary in the reports shouldn’t glorify these acts by portraying them as the acts of hardened outlaws and cold determined killers. Call these kids what they are and the misguided glory goes away. The stories should read” The weak, immature youth acting out…..” Like that. It would be called harsh, but if it saves one life.

  12. Yes let’s use this psychotic possibly schizophrenic kid as an example of why we should hit our kids…. Come on guys.

      • I guess you missed all the comments about how kids need to be hit like “in the good ol days”. Even though youth violence (like most violence) is down (since the early 90s late 80s) which has a correlational (not causational mind you) link with reduced use of corporal punishment.

        The problem is absentee parents, whether physically, emotionally, or mentally and abusive parents. Youth crime (like most crime) is congested in urban environments with a lot of poverty. Whether people spank or not has little to do with it (though hitting does increase the chance of negative behaviors in the child). Key words “increases the chance” not guarantees it. I know you turned out fine.

        • I’m sorry, I call bullshit. That’s making excuses for bad behavior. That’s justifying “why they act like they do.”

          I fully understand and mostly agree with the theory that abusers were often abused themselves, and so I can see the causal link going the other way. But we’re not talking about abuse, except as a bunch of bleeding heart bitches would define it (because everything is abuse to them). We’re talking about good old fashioned corporal punishment, carried out by a parent (or other caregiver) with responsibility and restraint.

          I’m 37 years old, and basically everyone in my circle of friends growing up got a taste of the belt now and then. None of us, as far as I knew then or know now, was ever anything close to abused. All of us have turned out to be normal (mostly, I’m an outlier) productive members of society.

          I’m willing to bet there’s a strong congruence between the set of people that think that rolling your eyes constitutes spousal emotional abuse and the set of people that think that a well-deserved spanking is child abuse.

        • Albaniaaaa, I’m 20. For me the ‘good old days’ was the 2000’s. I am a child compared to what Matt and the other guys are. Fact of the matter is I grew up in ‘modern times’, with a mother and grandfather who raised me with old values. My friends all had parents who believed in that no corporal punishment nonsense.

          When we were 13, four of my best friends smoked weed and drank their parents alcohol on a regular basis, were having sex with strangers and waking up on a Sunday morning covered in vomit.

          Lowest point was when we turned 14, the year I moved. Two of the girls in my grade got pregnant and had abortions. I wasn’t friends with them, but that didn’t make it any less shocking.

          When you see things like that, with people you’ve gone to school with, the occasional spanking becomes a no brainer.

    • I have two younger cousins (different mothers) who grew up without serious father figures so they spent several summers with my family. There were times that I had to impose discipline on them. Was that beating? No, that was called love. Now they are both married with kids and much taller/bigger than me (one played college b-ball at a top 15 school). But when I speak, you see them stiffen up out of respect, not fear. today’s kids need a male in the home who will make sure they understand that the world does not revolve around them and won’t care to lock them up forever. if that is abuse, so be it. But I bet $100 you wouldn’t want a troubled fucker moving next door to you or banging your daughter . . . .

      • All I am gonna say is your anecdotal stories are very cute (not just referring to you Diggler). In my circle of friends everyone was hit as a kid except for one. Who now has his PHD and is living on his own with a wife and a dog. He was never hit as a kid. The rest of us? We all still live at home (I am 25 everyone else is 25-30). Violence begets violence. It is that simple. Except in cases of self-defense. Also the confusing of fear and respect is funny as well as thinking being feared by your own kids is a good thing. I know it takes more brains to raise a kid without acting like an insecure caveman but please guys try to smarten up. Just because liberals happen to be wrong on the gun issue doesn’t mean they are wrong on everything else. Go look at the research instead of acting like an anti-gunner because something you don’t like happens to be true…. big strong men hitting kids to demand respect… that is worthy of rolling eyes.

        • Wait, so your counter-example is that the one kid that didn’t get hit has a PhD, and the rest of you live with Mom? I… I don’t even know what to say to that. None of my contemporaries live with their parents. Yes, I’m 12 years older than you. When I was your age, none of my contemporaries lived with their parents then either. I think this has nothing whatsoever to do with corporal punishment.

        • Guy I’m 27 got my whippins when I deserved them I joined the army on delayed entry at 17 did two tours in the sand box got a bachelors in military history and got my journeyman in gun smithing and aside from 2 months after i was med boarded out haven’t lived with my parents since I was 18. My circle of friends are much the same as I am minus one 30 year old pot head who won’t get a job and lives with his grandmother. Don’t try to use the fact that you have yet to cut the apron strings to make the case against spanking my son… all that does is tell me I need to spank him then teach him to be independent and kick him out when he’s 20.

        • Why, in God’s green earth, would you admit that you still live at home? Don’t tell us that, man. Learn how to drive a fvching truck and roll on outta that basement.

        • So you and your friends are trying to exact your revenge on your parents by sucking on the tit longer? I’ll admit that is pretty damn effective. I’m sure they’re proud.
          That’s a pretty terrible cop out though. Almost seems like you blame your failures on the discipline you received. Rather than learning the lesson they were trying to teach you stubbornly decided that it would be more of a kick in your parents nuts just to do the opposite thing.

    • Well I did say it sounds like this child needed some correction to his backside, based on the fact I meant firm parenting. P.S. it cannot be schizophrenic diagnosis due to schizophrenia being a process that happens in the brain during the late teen to early twenties. True schizophrenia is usually diagnosed in college age “children”.

  13. I had a disgruntled brother that was one of those types that spouted: “you have no idea what I am capable of. He got better; he joined the Marines. Much Better.

  14. My GF works for a behavior center that specializes in kids with severe problem behavior and aggressive tendencies, such as this, she says 90% of she what does is parent training.

    What does that tell you…?

        • I totally agree. In fact, I’ve advocated making people take some sort of test before being allowed to breed, and in my neighborhood, there probably should be a DNA test to keep cousins from “hooking up”. Currently anyone with the proper “tools” can make as many babies as they want or even don’t want and dump all responsibility for any parenting the moment after birth. That gives us foster kids, street gang kids and the worst are the feral kids like this one seems to be. At the ripe old age of 11, he wants to commit murder. When I was 11, I was just learning to ride a bike, and discovering that I liked science in school.

    • I was sort of eavesdropping on a stats class yesterday, and I heard something interesting.

      15 or so years after they legalized abortion in NY, they saw a massive decrease in crime. Supposedly, all of the unwanted kids never would have been born to drugged-up mothers and fifteen fathers, and thusly never would have turned to crime.

      Something to think about.

      • I have heard and even watched a fairly well presented video about Roe Vs. Wade and the crime decrease in the 90s with the exact same thought behind it. I wish I could find the damn video now but google-fu is failing ha

    • He is now. He’s just like the lil Trayvon she never had the chance to loose upon the good people of Indianapolis.

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