On June 7th the Constitutional Court in South Africa, overruled a lower court’s decision that parts of South Africa’s gun laws were unconstitutional. The ruling will force hundreds of thousands of gun owners who didn’t renew their permits to turn in their firearms. There’s no provision for appeal or legitimate reasons for delay, such as hospitalization or death.
Section 24 of the Act requires that any person who seeks to renew a licence must do so 90 days before its expiry date. Section 28 stipulates that if a firearm licence has been cancelled‚ the firearm must be disposed of or forfeited to the state. A 60-day timeframe was placed on its disposal, which was to be done through a dealer.
In 2017, North Gauteng High Court judge Ronel Tolmay ruled that these two sections were unconstitutional. She stated that firearms due for renewal in terms of section 24 of the act “will be deemed to be valid, until the Constitutional Court has made its determination on the Constitutionality of the aforesaid sections”.
The effects of yesterday’s ruling are far-reaching. It is estimated that there are at least 300 000 firearm owners who – either negligently or intently – failed to renew their firearm licences. These people will have to hand their firearms in at their nearest police stations, from where it will be destroyed.
Compensation is allowed under the firearms act, but is at the discretion of the firearms act registrar. Maximum compensation is only 500 Rand ($37) per pistol or 1000 Rand ($75) per rifle. Those amounts are laughably short of market values.
The South African government required all legal firearms in South Africa to be registered. Now it requires about 300,000 of them to be turned in without any reasonable compensation. It is unknown how many $10,000 rifles or even $400 pistols will actually be destroyed as a result of the ruling.
The South African government has become amazingly corrupt in the last 23 years. The legislature recently voted to allow a Constitutional change so that land from white landowners could be confiscated without compensation.
This latest move toward tyranny will hasten the departure of more productive people from South Africa which seems determined to follow the example of Zimbabwe with a blend of corruption, property confiscation and economic mismanagement.
Constitutional limits are only effective if they can be enforced.
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Well … This will be interesting. I’ve always preferred to learn from others’ mistakes whenever possible; hopefully we can do so as a country. People like Bernie Sanders and what’s her name from NYC, however, seem bound and determined to not let us.
The socialist “what’s her name ” is….. Alexandria Occasional-Cortex
Personally I like ‘what’s-her-name’ better. Unfortunately, in that district, it will be Congresswoman What’s-her-name in a few months.
I’m partial to “Crazy-Eyes Cortez “
Didn’t you mean, Alexandria Occasional-Cotex.
About every 28 days, I’d say.
Nope – that condition is permanent; it’s exacerbated by the 28-day thing, but the baseline is simply that bitch is bat-shit crazy, and a product of immigration and educational intent from the Fed and State levels. Only one way to deal with that: Build that wall and ki*/l/lem*//ALL….
I am going to put this on several comments but Lauren Southern has recently released a documentary about the farm murders in South Africa called “Farmlands”. There is a part in it where it shows what some people have prepared for, including firearms. If you don’t know who Lauren is look her up and I highly recommend the documentary. Link below https://youtu.be/a_bDc7FfItk
Putin has announced that he will accept 15,000 white South African farmers for relocation to the fertile triangle region of southern Russia. I just hope that they can ex-pat themselves before this firearms collection is effected. There is going to be an open bloodbath in SA once those firearms are rounded up; anyone who believes those firearms are going to be destroyed as opposed to being given to the murderous, uneducable violent shpos’s that the current “government of social justice” uses to accomplish its ends is, IMO seriously mistaken.
BTW – none of it will be seen or reported on our MSM, per usual.
living in South Africa without a gun is a scary proposition!…
I suspect rampant non-compliance will occur. Perhaps 5,000 turned in… perhaps 3? Time will tell. I suspect the official estimated number of firearms will drop drastically once they find out people aren’t so willing to comply with nonsense.
Problem is that most, if not all, firearms have been previously registered. If the registration was not renewed then the government already has a list of the owners and the type and number of firearms they own.
Another reason to defend the 2A and resist firearm registration in our own country.
That’s why you don’t register it the first time around. If you’re dumb or FUDD enough to do that… well… see every other country.
Those 4473’s sitting in the files of the gun stores are a form of registration.
I can easily see a Hillary/Cuomo/Schumer/Sanders issuing a “secret” executive order that allows the government to round them all up in a massive surprise Christmas Morning operation. Independent FFL’s would be rounded up the next day. Six months of 24/7 data entry and the government has an ownership database. Presto !!!
“…Hillary/Cuomo/Schumer/Sanders issuing a “secret” executive order that allows the government to round them all up in a massive surprise Christmas Morning operation…”
If that happens, I predict a rash of tragic fires in gun store record rooms.
That will be mysteriously contained to the closets where those records are stored…
Unfortunately big boxes do computer rather than paper. Good bet the various “intel” agencies have long ago penetrated these.
amazingly corrupt in the last 23 years Shocking I say. WHAT was happening in SA in recent decades???
I see a rash of unfortunate boating accidents on the South African horizon.
Unlike America, they are likely to shoot you dead for resisting the law. So, you can have a boating accident that somehow leads to your death on land.
that would be if they could actually find me if that shit started. i know how to live off the land and leave little to no trace. have fun finding a ghost that shoots back
will also add would rather be dead than actually submit.
They already have registration in some places.
Federal “universal background checks” is a strong possibility. Most guns are not sold through private parties and few are used in murders. The reason they want “universal background checks” is to build a database that will eventually be put on computers. Those records are meant for registration and confiscation (initially via red flag laws).
It’s as obvious as Mr. Borat pretending to be an Israeli anti-terror expert. It’s hard to watch pro Second Amendment groups advocate for laws that lead to such outcomes or when they fail to properly educate the American people about it.
I am going to put this on several comments but Lauren Southern has recently released a documentary about the farm murders in South Africa called “Farmlands”. There is a part in it where it shows what some people have prepared for, including firearms. If you don’t know who Lauren is look her up and I highly recommend the documentary. Link below https://youtu.be/a_bDc7FfItk
Of course, one mustn’t mention “the elephant in the room”–black rule. Most “black-run” countries use the “strong man” system in which the status of every person determines how “close” one can sit to the chief. Most people (along with the lyin’ communist-loving press) have concealed the fact that Nelson Mandela was convicted for terrorist acts. Despite this, the South African (apartheid) government offered to release him if he promised to renounce violence. He could have been released many years before by simply renouncing violence, but he was too stupid (hard headed) to do so. Hence, Mandela was made a “martyr”.
Apartheid was put in place to keep the normally warring tribes from decimating each other. As a result, South Africa became one of the most economically stable countries on the African continent. Despite the so-called “evils” of apartheid, there was a large influx of black immigrants into South Africa. Food was plentiful. Apartheid was able to “keep the peace” and was successful until communism’s “inventors”–(despite having arms agreements with South Africa) helped dismantle apartheid. The rest is history . . . South Africa is a “basket case”; its white farmers (producers) are being murdered. Farms that have been “appropriated” by blacks are being looted–not usable for farming anymore because anything of value is being sold for scrap. It is obvious that SA blacks have no propensity for farming…
If one good thing comes of this, it will be the deserved “retribution” placed on the South African communists and their enablers (the “chosen”) for taking a major part in destroying this once-prosperous country. I would welcome the immigration of SA whites to the USA as they would be an asset to our country, but current American immigration laws do not allow for the immigration of whites to the USA, despite white genocide taking place…
If I had my way, I would let ’em starve…the black population is not worth it…
The only South African in the US that I can name is Scarlet Johansen. If the rest of South African whites hold socialist views like she espouses, it has to be a big part of the problem.
Charlize Theron is another. Only the names are different; The socialist progressive stain is just as deep. Worse, THIS one very likely slept with Sean Penn.
That pretty well sums her up, does it not?
I know some South Africans (Afrikaner family) that came here about 10 years ago. Good people. They’re trying to convince their friends and relatives who have remained to leave as soon as they can. It’s almost too late for a proper move. Things are seriously bad there now and it’s going to get much worse very, very soon.
Why else do you think the EFF and ANC want the guns?
Scarlet Johansen was born in NYC.
Same type of place.
You’re missing out on the great South Africans that come to America to make it great again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWqmJwdULBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COD9hcTpGWQ
Just wait until the Chinese colonize Africa…and all the African women. These are interesting times we live in.
Well underway. One Belt (on your back) – One Road (to Peking)
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/07/14/world-view-chinas-railway-contractor-in-kenya-accused-of-neo-colonialism-racism-and-blatant-discrimination/
The first outfitter I used in the RSA, now lives here, part time, in Oregon with his wife and kids. His parents were murdered there back in 2012.
He’s working on dual citezenship.
Should be no such thing as “dual citizenship” and the US is full, we don’t need any immigrants from anywhere.
When you become a U.S. citizen, you have to renounce the citizenship of any other nation. It is part of the swearing in ceremony. My wife had to renounce her previous country when she became a U.S. citizen.
People shouldn’t be allowed to maintain dual citizenship. Anyone who maintains their old citizenship should be stripped of their American citizenship.
Dual citizenship is bullshit!!!
(Children under 18 born with dual is different, but by 18, they need to PICK a team!)
I do think most Afrikaners would be an asset to the USA.
Not any more. There was a case that went all the way up to the supreme court involving dual citizenship in 1968. The “supremes” ruled that one could be a citizen of more than one country. This ruling benefits Israel and jews more than any country or ethnic group, hence, our problems with Israeli control of the U S government. Don’t believe me? Here you go…
American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..
There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.
When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…
I know that tons of people become U.S. Citizens, and still maintain their previous citizenship. Still, they actually did renounce it in the oath to become a U.S. Citizen. I was there five years ago when my wife (and several dozen other people did I it). She also had to do it in writing.
Some countries don’t care that you renounced it (like Mexico) and still allow you to maintain dual citizenship.
I would argue that doing so nullifies your oath of citizenship.
Theodore Roosevelt on immigration:
“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
It wouldn’t matter anyway. To renounce your citizenship in country A, you have to file paperwork with country A’s government. What you do, in the process of becoming a naturalized citizen of country B, is between you and country B’s government. As far as country A is concerned, until you file paperwork with them, you are still one of their citizens.
I immigrated from Canada to the US and become a naturalized US citizen. I have a US passport. If I wanted to travel on a Canadian passport, the Canadian government still would issue one to me.
I am going to put this on several comments but Lauren Southern has recently released a documentary about the farm murders in South Africa called “Farmlands”. There is a part in it where it shows what some people have prepared for, including firearms. If you don’t know who Lauren is look her up and I highly recommend the documentary. Link below https://youtu.be/a_bDc7FfItk
South Africa is a little different than the rest of Africa, the white settlers had to import workers because there were no blacks there at the time. The blacks came in and settled on lands given to them by the government as “homelands”. The blacks came for the jobs and the money was better than anywhere else.
The land was white owned and was NOT taken from blacks like in other countries. It is a shame that the whites that hold land are being killed and the land is handed out to blacks who do not even want to farm it, they just want what they can take. This happenned in Rhodesia and the country was ruined it is now called Zimbabwe
The South African government is not only communist, it is waging a terror campaign against innocent farmers who just happen to be white. This gun confiscation rule is aimed directly at them. The armed black gangs that are torturing and murdering elderly white people are not about to give up their guns. South Africa is doomed.
https://youtu.be/FT3CLYhrCyA
I’ve got nothing more to say.
You should check out “Farmland” https://youtu.be/a_bDc7FfItk
There are only two options left for the SA gun owner as I see it, get to the killing now or leave SA.
The Brits couldn’t get the job done with the Zulus etc. Whole lot of more natives now that way back when. Not likely enough rounds
Mixed results. The Zulus wiped out the British at Isandlwana because the latter ran out of ammunition. They did have more but it was packed securely for shipping instead of readily available in case of action. The Brits did much better at Rorke’s Drift.
You’re telling me that the fascist government that’s been expropriating private property is now grabbing guns? Guns that are largely owned by the minority they have been persecuting? Get out.
Well obviously no melanin-enriched gentleman has ever registered his own guns, so this works out perfectly.
If you think that the current South African government will apply this law equally, I’ve got some stock options to sell you.
So registration leads to confiscation. Again.
And in this case confiscation will follow with the murder of the former SA gun owner.
They have been working towards genocide of the whites. A total replacement of the population.
Unsurprisingly, white people are upset with the “war” being waged against them. However, it’s quite hypocritical for whites to complain about South Africa when they regularly dismiss people who point out the same thing happened in North America to actual Americans by Europeans. If you’re the person who says, “Those savages lost the war. They shouldn’t have lost. Get over it!,” you can’t complain about how whites in South Africa are being murdered, their farms taken and the genocide/replacement that will happen to them.
Don’t try to use the argument: you can’t compare today to yesterday. The same rules/laws that exist today existed back then. Plus, the African government is changing their laws to make their actions “legal,” like how the U.S. changed the law to go against non whites.
Though ironic, personally, I think it’s wrong regardless of the past. I understand the Africans’ justification, but I wouldn’t become a supremacist and commit the same wrongs the people you hate have done.
Truly there was an enlightened culture here that we ruined.
“Indian Chief “Two Eagles was asked by a white U.S. government official, “You have observed the white man for 90 years. You’ve seen his wars and his technological advances. You’ve seen his progress, and the damage he’s done.”
The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, “Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?”
The Chief stared at the government official then replied,
“When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women do all the work, medicine man free, Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.”
Then the Chief leaned back and smiled, “Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.”
What I was typing up is much too long. To make it short: there is a lot of things the United States citizen/government can learn from the original Americans’ culture (as well as some Asians’ culture) that will improve the country and the people. Unfortunately the U.S. government, Hollywood, corporations and academia don’t want the American people learning those things. Those minorities/people are ignored for a reason…
The focus is on black and white culture, which leads to destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk
Your argument implies a moral equivalence that doesn’t exist.
South Africa overthrew one tyranny just to install another.
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
So lets get this straight whites that stole land and murdered thousands of blacks in South Africa for a few hundred years. ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE PEOPLE.
Due to a lack of education and modern day enslavement these people now have their ancestors lands back .
Now let me get this straight if the American Indians were to take back their lands and put us all out it would be a injustice? I think not.
How can the past be erased so easily how can crimes against humanity be forgotten so fast.
How can white rule of South Africa be forgotten in such a short time period.
It should not be forgotten and nor should the crimes of the past be forgotten.
I believe in the right to bear arms but i can not believe in history being forgotten in such a manner.
Yes there is high crime there and yes it needs to be stopped.
But by taking away the firearms that are legal you will not stop crime but you will make it easier for those that commit the crimes easier to do so.
Just like when the people of South Africa lands were stolen from them.
Two wrongs don’t make a right!
All the people who committed said acts are dead. You can’t punish their descendants and call that “justice”.
A robber steals a TV from a man’s home. The robber dies a week later of natural causes. The robber passed along possession of the TV to his son. Can the victim’s family show up at the dead robber’s home and demand their property be returned? Should the robber’s son be punished if he knows the TV was stolen from that family yet refused to return it on his own volition?
Anyway…
At this moment the same injustices, that the ancestors of European-Americans and African-Americans enforced on the North American people, are still going on. You just don’t know about it because it’s out of sight, thus out of mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ4lnDy2xnQ
There were no “North American people”. There were hundreds, maybe thousands of tribes that all looked on each other as the stranger, or enemy. They all stole from each other, murdered each other, and grabbed what land they could hold onto. Many practiced cannibalism and human sacrifice.
The Europeans came over with better technology, better agriculture, better weaponry, and better religion. They outproduced the natives, who had conquered and destroyed those cultures before them.
Most of the killing was done by microbes without an agenda.
Maybe the various tribes should quit bitching and integrate into American society? It’s not rocket science. My people integrated into a modern society, and out traditions are alive and well several centuries later.
Some tribes don’t have enough people to “integrate” and maintain the culture at the same time. Most people lose their culture and language when they integrate. Go up to a young 2-3 generation Chinese American person and see if they can speak their ancestral language. Now imagine trying to not lose your native language when you don’t have anyone to speak it with. Don’t forget the language isn’t a written one. Even Chinese in China are forgetting how to write their language because of the heavy internet use. Remember during WWII they couldn’t figure out the complex language of the Diné?
Keep in mind that the culture is very community based. It’s much better to stay close to your people to keep it alive — America is a big place. When a tribe has been separated for a long time they have a pow-wow to bring the people together for cultural reasons. You can look at it as a family reunion. How many family reunions do you go to a year?
My family left the reservation… My grandmother did not teach my mother the language because we are United States citizens now and we have to become religious people. We have to take European names and a government ID number. You will pledge allegiance against your tribe every school day. You must sing U.S. songs. You have to blend in by dressing like white America and you can’t have long hair anymore unless you’re a girl. My mother let my hair grow until I had to go to government school, she cried when she had to cut it off (it’s a no-no to cut it), she saved each of the boys’ hair. Some of my family knows English and Spanish, but none of them know their native language…
I know way more about American culture than my families tribe’s culture. I identified as American most of my life because I didn’t know I was an “Indian.” That fact was hidden from me most of my life. So, it’s kind of confusing that I am more American than my peers who are white. I find that I become a stronger defender of the ideals the U.S. was founded on when I factor in my peoples’ history. I don’t want to destroy the U.S., but that doesn’t mean I support it blindly. It’s a similar experience that Asian Americans have.
Unfortunately I don’t get the same respect from the U.S., Mexicans, white and black people. The only people that are cool are the Asians.
The Alt-Right don’t want people like me in America (where do they expect me to go?). NRA members don’t want me around. Republicans talk shit about my people. Democrats treat me like their property. Black people are racist and are busy trying to take control of America from the white people. Mexicans are from horrible tribes that helped the Spanish conquer. Patriotic Americans celebrate what they did to my people/family every year (I never get mad even though they think people like me are extinct).
I am one of those kids who couldn’t fill out his family tree when the teacher asked me to. I never told them why even after I got in trouble for not doing what I was asked. With current identity politics (thanks Berry Obama) it doesn’t feel like anything has changed since then.
You have literally no idea what you are talking about. You can’t “steal” land if no one is living there. South Africa was extremely sparsely populated until farms started being developed by European colonizers. Apartheid had its faults, but it was not the murderous chaos going on over there now.
The land was not stolen. The few tribes that were there were nomadic and the white settlers brought their livestock to start farming. The black tribe that were there for hundreds of years failed to develop anything that would flourish. Because the white settlers had the skills to adjust to the climate and conditions they made it work. The black corrupt tribal leaders there now were not the descendants of the original tribe. The current tribes drove out or killed the smaller tribes. The current crop of murderous tribes have neither the skills or ability to run modern farms or infrastructure of a modern society. Currently the self inflicted water shortages is due to water treatment plants failing due to a lack of qualified workers. They took a country that rivaled German at it’s peak and now looks like Argentina on a bad day.
Except white Americans did not steal the land from the natives or at least not all of it. Some was purchased. Some was taken during/after war with other nations. Some of that was stolen too. And yes, some was outright taken.
However, can you deport the descendants of people brought against there will? How about Americans who are part Native American? Is a Seminole living in Nevada living on stolen land?
Let’s not forget Hawaii. They are not “Native American” racially but they are natives they are American and that was one of the best/worst cases of outright theft.
Mandela and co where simple and simply stooges for Moscow. The entire “overthrow apartheid movement” was about growing/spreading communism around the edges of the Western world. In Africa, once more, marx was wrong about where it would take root but the Russians largely succeeded in planting their crap in a primitive tribal world. Thanks to US bleeding hard demtards and to the UN. Now it’s the Chicoms on the come with their brand of the same.
“It is unknown how many $10,000 rifles or even $400 pistols will actually be destroyed as a result of the ruling.”
Zero. Any weapon of worth will be appropriated by a government employee for their collection.
I saw a video of a cop in California planning on doing that. They would take a man’s guns and keep it for themselves. I forget which department it was.
Get out while the gettin’s good…like NYC or California or where I live-ILLinois. You gave your country away white boy. The next Rhodesia. Or worse. Yes Mandela was a communist. Yes the Africaners were bad. The black majority is much worse…
“Get out while the gettin’s good…like NYC or California or where I live-ILLinois….”
Australia has opened their doors to SA refugees…
“”Australia has opened their doors to SA refugees…(you left off the most important part after the ….) and their MONEY plus high skills in several trades…AKA well educated and worthy of citizenship!
Australia has gun confiscation.
Total conspiracy to think they’re headed towards genocide over there, right?
Just wait until you see references to “necklaces” and “waistcoats”.
A necklace is a tyre containing gasoline that is put around the victim’s neck and set alight. A waistcoat is where the victim’s arms and legs are hacked off and the person bleeds out or is finished off.
Common peoples justice by the ANC on rumouredly alleged informants and traitors.
looks like prelude to genocide. look for a run on shovels at the local hardware store.
given the path the country is on , compliance could cause regret.
the whole thing looks like a a set up from the start.
Any genocide will go unreported because it doesn’t fit the narrative.
So South Africa wants to be another third world Shithole. Get on with it then. The upstanding citizens should flee now before it goes all Rwanda up in there. If they stay it’ll be a re-enaction of Rourke’s Drift, but all the Zulus will have the guns and all the redcoats with be unarmed…
Step 1: Confiscate the guns
Step 2: Government sanctioned murder of whites
Step 3: Zimbabwe Part 2
Step 4. Get rid of white farmers.
Step 5. Institute Marxist economy.
Step 6. Create mass starvation and deprivation.
In Hong Kong I had a good friend who was from S.A.. He and his entire family got out after the ANC took over. They didn’t think twice or look back and 4 generations living there didn t make a difference.
They were not mean to blacks or at odds with them. They were successful and that made a target.
It’s way past departure time. Leave and let the country fall.apart. Just like Venezuela or Zimbabwe. Once gone they will never get them back.
It seems like, deep down in its heart of hearts, South Africa wants to be Chicago.
Or is it the other way around?
Anschluss mit Chicago und Südafrika.
The ruling will force hundreds of thousands of gun owners who didn’t renew their permits to turn in their firearms.
This is not a bug, but a feature.
Either that or it will bring it to a head. The guns are the only thing left between the prey and predators.
Dean Weingarten, I am one of those “cannibals” who’s people are apparently not North American.
European-Americans will erroneously refer to people like myself as “Indian” although we don’t come from India. If anything, my ancestors migrated from north east Asia into Alaska and beyond.
My skin is not red, it’s more of an Asian tone. When I stay in the sun my skin becomes dark. So, you might think I am part Asian when I don’t have a tan or Mexican when I do. In this society it’s like camouflage.
Not all tribes had a religion, thus not all tribes would sacrifice humans and eat their flesh. Some tribes were created in an effort to separate themselves from those horrible types. Hence why some people are not cool with people from tribes located in Mexico coming to the United States and claiming it’s theirs; why those people would end up voting for Trump and wouldn’t mind a wall to stop “Mexicans” from coming into the U.S.
There are tribes whose name is “the people” in their language. The Navajo refer to themselves as Diné. So if your tribe resides in Canada, United States or Mexico it wouldn’t be a stretch to label the entire population as the “North American people” or “the peoples of North America” instead of hyphenating them with European created nation states. Obviously, it would also make sense to simply call them Americans rather than Native-American or American-Indians. The artificial boundaries don’t define the people as they all originated from the same Asian migrations. If the European peoples can refer to any nation they control as the “West,” I think I could refer to people who’ve been on the North American continent for thousands of years as such…
Of course every group in the world had conflict with others. That doesn’t mean every tribe were enemies and had never ending wars. They had agreements and cooperatives. There was a trading economy and hunting rights given out. Europeans experienced that when they first came to the continent needing help surviving until they could be taught how to produce on the land themselves. That economic trade was one way tribes acquired firearms and horses.
Some tribes were nomadic, some stationary farmers, some hunters, some religious empires, some warriors/raiders, etc. Many tribes thought the land belonged to the people, that it can’t be owned by one man. It’s the imperialists/colonizers that forced the concept of buying and selling “private property” and “state/public property.” Europeans wanted to buy the tribe’s land, but the chiefs refused to sell it because they don’t have authority/ownership as it belongs to the people. So, like any imperialist tribe, the Europeans declared “war” on those that refused to sell and committed ethnic cleansing. The United States still illegally holds control of the land and is refusing to let it go, but they are still offering “money” for it.
Don’t forget that “the people” organized a militia to fight the United States government for decades. They acknowledge each other as the same people regardless of tribal culture differences. They were fighting for the same things. They collectively fought a deceitful enemy that wanted to murder or enslave every godless cannibal savage.
The U.S. government/military/citizens said, “The only good Indian is a dead Indian.” They wanted to turn every savages’ skin red with blood if they refused enslavement and Christianity. My people were murdered, forcibly re-educated to be European, take European names and marched to prison/concentration camps to keep them subjects of the State. My family left the “reservation” early and hid (in plain view) amongst the “Americans.”
Oh… Please don’t use the propaganda that claims most “Indians” died on their own accord. I know the U.S. government contemplated creating a plague by giving tribes blankets from sick people, which most say was remained just a plan. Most people didn’t die when a white man coughed. That disinformation is what the Alt-Right likes to use to make the Western world not look so bad — they don’t want some other racial group using that as fuel to commit ethnic cleansing of whites and the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur0YWomy5YU
Blah Blah Blah. What tribe did not sieze “their” territory from the previous occupant/tribe?
Do you honestly think it’s possible for anyone to educate you about the entire history of the North American and South American continents? Scientists only recently verified that people from those continents came from Asia. One of my family members took a DNA test, some of the results are unknown to their DNA database.
You do know American tribes didn’t have a written language and had to fight European invasion starting in the 1400s? You think they could write history books? Knowledge was passed down through stories and pictures, which Europeans tried very hard at erasing and “rewriting.”
Don’t act like America wasn’t a big enough place to have room for everyone. Also, don’t act like there wasn’t treaties (supreme law of the land) and agreements for middle America to be for the natives and the coastal lands for the Europeans. Ever wonder why “fly over country” isn’t as shitty as the coastal states?
“Do you honestly think it’s possible for anyone to educate you about the entire history of the North American and South American continents?”
More identify-politics twaddle. Please. Go. Away.
Seems to me the only thing left is to find out if Molon Labe can be translated into Afrikaans.
The commie kalifornia dream. Simple as that.
Research information and books on the Mau Mau rebellion in So. Africa. This same thing was tried before but the black socialists were not in power then. The socialists hero Mandella changed all that power structure so now the Marxist government is restarting the same old thing. There are some good books on the mau mau rebellion. These evil idiots are going to succeed in starving themselves.
If it is anything like Australia the gun owners who didn’t bother to register in the first place outnumber those who were silly enough to do so.
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