Robert F. Kennedy Jr. RFK
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.(AP Photo/Hans Pennink)

My position on gun control is that I’m not going to take away anybody’s guns. I’m a constitutional maximalist and the issue has been settled by the Supreme Court…I understand personally the heartbreak of gun violence…we have to stop school shootings…if it comes down to protecting schools like we protect airlines, we’ll do that. We also have to look at the role of psychiatric drugs…prior to the introduction of Prozac we had almost no events like this. When I’m President we will thoroughly investigate and address the link between these drugs and school shootings.

— Robert F. Kennedy, Jr via Twitter (@GraduatedBen)

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  1. You mean putting teenagers on psychotropic drugs could have an adverse affect? Who would have thunk?

    • But not puberty blockers. They’re totally OK. Sterilization, osteoporosis, etc., all just right wing propaganda. Totally reversible, all the child has to do is close their eyes, wish really hard and click the heals of their ruby slippers 3 times and they’ll be right back in Kansas where they started.

      • They can “choose” their gender at the age of five, but they have to be 21 before they can choose to smoke cigarettes. Liberal logic.

        • Or buy a handgun.

          And don’t forget if you take your 17 year old out to get a tattoo you’ll be hearing from Child Services.

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  2. Once schools are hard targets perps will find unprotected kids and adults elsewhere. Since it is the nature of criminals and tyrants to prey on an unarmed/disarmed citizenry the logical conclusion is, Gun Control Kills.

    • Concentrated and mostly helpless target vs diffuse and potentially armed targets…….there may be a bit of a difference there do nothing deb

        • LOL no you wont but run your bot script soon I know it’s eating at you that others are actually doing things that your feelings never will.

    • Well done Debbie W!!!!!!!! 😁👍😄☺️😀😃😄
      You finally posted a comment where you didn’t talk about the racist roots of gun control!
      Awesome 😎

      I know you are right of course about the racist roots of gun control, but constantly hearing the same thing gets tiresome.

      By the way, I also agree with your comment here. Turning schools in to Alcatraz isn’t the solution either.

      By the way, I believe Bobby Jr. here is right about the psychotropic drugs being a major factor.

      • I read several reports after Columbine that on the surface would link school violence, not limited to shooting, but fights and other forms of violence were linked to the drugs for supposed ADD. The way ADD was handled when I was in grade school (many, many many moons ago) was to let us young monsters out in the school yard to play mumbly-peg and rough and tumble. By the time recess and lunch time were over we were too tired to raise hell in the classroom. We also shot marbles when we were too tired for other more strenuous games. I understand in many school there is no outdoor recess and any where there is, it is supervised by an adult “aide”. The only time we saw an adult at recess or lunch time was if blood was drawn and needed to be staunched.

        • The way ADD was handled when I was in grade school

          The good old days when you squared off into two tams and spent 45 minutes pummeling the hell out of one another playing “dodge ball” or boxing in gym class…

    • And besides, if we made airplanes schools completely safe, the terrorists would simply start bombing shooting up other places that are crowded. Porn shops, crack houses, titty bars, and gangbangs. You know, entertainment venues!

  3. The last thing we need is another Kennedy as president. The Democrat party as a whole seems hell bent on regression. This country needs to move forward and all these people want to do is bring us all back by decades.

    • JFK was actually one of the most conservative presidents of the 20th century. I’d welcome back JFK’s Democrat party, but I won’t hold my breath on that.

      RFK Jr. has said some kind of wacky things in the past but he’d be a huge improvement over Brandon.

      • I agree that he would be better than what we have right now. But the days of JFK is long since over and done with. We are so far beyond that now. American society would have an easier time welcoming back 8-track tapes. I say that knowing that there is a segment out there that is stuck in the past. Which is exactly what I was referring to earlier. The left wants to bring back the racism of the 50’s and 60’s and we are all dealing with that in a modern era. Just like war with foreign countries and degradation of women. We have experienced energy independence and a history of female breadwinners. Even as many of us are getting used to working from home, the idea of reverting back to the way life was before many of us were born just is not likely to play out well. Sure, I miss the chrome bumpers and a sense of real men and women actually are. But we have gained alot of ground.

        • “But we have gained alot of ground.”

          Gained, as in net positive? Or gained, as in shifted? Society has certainly shifted. In some ways to the better, but in many others, not so much. But cats just won’t be stuffed back into bags without putting up a fuss, so progress it is, such as it is.

        • My F-250 has chrome bumpers, and grill, and wheels. The Great White Buffalo, 6.7 ltr DIESEL!
          13.1 mpg pulling six 1,500 lb round bales, by God.

        • That chrome grill is metalized plastic… 🙁

      • America does not need a democRat who was so great he selected the blockhead lbj as a vp. If the democRat Party was never a Rat’s nest the Republican Party wouldn’t exist.

        Once t. kennedy got away with negligent homicide and was elected over and over getting away with dirt has become a way of life for the democRat Party.

        So much History has been allowed to be rewritten the drumbeat today is every person born white is liable for Reparations instead of the drums singling out and justifiably holding the poor mouthing filthy rich democRat Party liable for Reparations.

        If rfk jr. steps up and holds his democRat Party liable for Reparations then I’ll listen to what he has to say.

      • Well, being better than Brandon is not a very big challenge. I believe the koi in my pond would do a better job than Brandon.

      • RFK Jr. has said some kind of wacky things in the past

        That was during the heroin years, he’s all better now…

    • Hmmm…RFK JR seems to be the least objectionable DIM. Who’ll never ever win. And a Kennedy no less. Beats the he!! out of his dad & uncle Ted🙄

      • He’s a total nut, but he’s sensible for a Democrat. The bar is low, but still. At least he’s anti-corporate and anti-pharma. What does the senile Puppet offer over him? We’d know who was in charge which would be an improvement over the current situation.

        • Wouldn’t trust him farther than he could be thrown by a child ………..but that is substantially more than I would trust the rest of his party and quite a few RINOs

        • I gather he’s also against pointless, endless wars for enriching the MIC.

          I still can’t wrap my head around this pro-war, pro-pharma, pro-corporatism, pro-censorship modern Democrat party. I suppose diddlers would be willing to throw away all their other convictions if it meant they could diddle kids.

    • So, the democrats want to move us back to 1955? I guess the republicans are better because they just want to move women back to 1955, staying at home baking cookies, popping babies, can’t have a credit card, buy a house or a car or enter into a contract. And of course we’re going to take away their right to vote. You want a civil war go ahead and try to make that shit happen.

      • “…staying at home baking cookies, popping babies…”

        You mean the husband and wife would be more likely to stay married? You mean children would be raised by their mother instead of by strangers or iPads and internet access? You mean before second wave feminism when women and children were happier? That sounds awful.

        • “…raised by their mother instead of by strangers…”

          “…raised by their mother [and father] instead of by strangers…”

          Otherwise, dead on, and that’s likely what you meant anyhow…

      • So, the democrats want to move us back to 1955?

        Diners Club, the only prominent “card” in 1955 WAS marketed to women AND African Americans… Actual Bank issued credit cards didn’t come along til the early 1960s…
        In 1839, New York, once again being a leader in change, passed the Married Women’s Property Act. This allowed women, more specifically white women, to be able to conduct acts of business on their own, giving them sole ownership of whatever property that was in their name. By the 1900s, every state gave married women control over their property…
        Womens right to vote (19th amendment) ratified by Congress in 1920… If you’ve heard ANY Republican (or Democrat) condoning taking away the women’s vote, PLEASE specify THAT morons name… (other than a few MSM talking heads that think married women vote the way their husbands tell them to)…

        You must be thinking of the 1850s…

      • Life-long generally conservative Republican here. I don’t know of ANY Republicans who want any of those things to happen, Hortense. That’s just crazy talk! Take a chill-pill….

    • Put every Kennedy and every Bush on a bus pointed to Cuber. Brick on the accelerator.

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    Can’t spell drugs correctly or it gets marked as SPAM… Funny thing I got SIX fucking SPAM messages FROM TTAG in my email this morning, BUT MY fucking post is SPAM because I name a couple of commercial drugs? FUCK that…

  5. Prozac May Link to a Rise in School Shootings

    He didn’t quite say that.

    “We also have to look at the role of psychiatric drugs…prior to the introduction of Prozac we had almost no events like this.” That’s taken from a tweet but I don’t know what was left out at the ellipses.

    It would be difficult if not impossible to determine the effects of drugs on mass shooters. Just because a medication might show up in the blood analysis of a dead shooter isn’t enough; an intense psychological study of shooters who survived may be the only way to establish a link. And since drugs affect each person differently, it would be hard to separate the effect of the drug from the effect of the underlying mental illness that the drug is intended to treat.

    • Intense psychological and psychiatric studies of the shooters is what got them ON THE DRUGS in the first place.

      And it isn’t just Prozac, that’s probably just the first one that came to mind.

      Since its introduction there have been many more psychotropic drugs introduced by “mental health professionals” who for all their expertise can’t seem to find any means of resolving mental issues other than putting their patients on mind and mood altering drugs.

      In the majority of such mass murder events, if you dig deep enough into the reporting, you will find that they were known to and.or under the care of a psychologist or psychiatrist and had been taking or were currently taking some prescription psychotropic drug.

      Not every person on those drugs goes on to be a mass murderer, the the potential as a side effect is not unknown or unremarked upon.

      • More critically even questioning if there could be a link is met with immediate and emotional reactions denouncing the idea in a way similar to experimental gene therapy being used to treat a manmade flu derivative having adverse effects on the cardiovascular systems of children.

      • Thank you Cliff. People seem to overlook this for some reason. Maybe, just maybe the drugs don’t work! Maybe the mental health “professionals” aren’t helping. The fact that so many of these shooters were on these drugs at some point is proof that someone knew they had issues. They did as they were told, and tried to get help. Guess what? The help didn’t work! Why aren’t we examining that?

        • Having worked what in legal circles was called “Psych calendar” where folks with debilitating mental problems were being involuntarily committed, which work involved observing and listening to psych professionals, it was the opinion of many of us that it was difficult to differentiate the staff from the patients. In addition to bizarre “affect” as the pros deem it, they all work scrubs, so clothes alone didn’t differentiate. What we finally hit on was staff wore name badges and patients did not. So if it was somebody without a name badge acting weird, it was a patient. If it was somebody with a name badge acting weird, it was staff. Problem solved.

      • “Intense psychological and psychiatric studies of the shooters [who survived] is what got them ON THE DRUGS in the first place.”

        No — they weren’t shooters before they committed their acts. You left out the two words that I re-inserted in brackets. Don’t be a Liar69er.

        “Not every person on those drugs goes on to be a mass murderer,”

        True.

        “…the potential as a side effect is not unknown or unremarked upon.”

        I’ve been taking antidepressants for many years; the drugs are meant as an adjunct to treatment, not a substitute for treatment — and the possibility of violent or suicidal thoughts is a known side effect that can be addressed if reported to the caretaker. As you pointed out, many shooters were under the care of a professional; the drugs weren’t the only treatment that they were receiving.

        • “not a substitute for treatment”

          That’s another important detail that gets overlooked. You don’t have to go to a psychiatrist to get these prescriptions. The vast majority of people get them from their primary care doc. The patient can even request particular meds, or describe symptoms they know will get them the prescription they saw advertised.

          The MD will prescribe the meds without requesting any sort of concurrent plan to address the underlying issue. Maybe some SSRIs can help you function in your everyday tasks while you work on the underlying issue. What they will not do is treat the underlying issue. The pharma giants have been lying about that for years with misleading advertising.

        • Dude, there’s a big difference between individuals (such as myself) who benefit from a psychotropic medication while under minimal supervision of a health care professional (my primary-care doctor), and a seriously-disturbed individual with significant mental-health issues who is also taking medication(s) in addition to whatever other intensive treatment he is receiving from a psychiatrist or psychologist.

          Can we agree on that?

        • In both cases, the medication is a band-aid solution, not a cure. The medical and pharma industries have failed to educate the public about that, perhaps intentionally.

          I’m not saying the medications serve no purpose. If they do serve a purpose, it would be a fraction of what they’re currently used for. That means less profit$. We can’t have that.

        • “In both cases, the medication is a band-aid solution, not a cure.”

          I disagree. In my case, the medication corrects a brain-chemistry condition and I have no need for treatment beyond the med. My doc does monitor me at least semi-annually and more often if I feel the need; I’m heading in this afternoon to renew my ‘scrip.

          “The medical and pharma industries have failed to educate the public about that, perhaps intentionally.”

          I disagree — there’s plenty of information available about the side effects of any medication. And IMO it’s up to my medical provider who prescribes the meds, to educate me (and it’s my responsibility as well) abut the meds. A 30-secnd commercial explaining a medication is not the place to be “educated.” The majority of commercial time is spent not only describing the possible benefits of the med but, as you well know, listing every possible side-effect that actually affects very few takers.

          You want to hate on the pharmaceutical industry, have at it. I can’t join you, though.

        • “Wasn’t the whole “brain chemistry” thing found to be bunk?”

          Only if you’re using that one study as your sole data point.

          “The review also has a number of real problems, which is a little ironic for a study which is one of the few not to have a “limitations” section as part of the manuscript. I’ll blame the editorial staff of the journal for that one, as well as for letting the authors use studies that examine simple depression versus controls differences in serotonin levels to conclude that serotonin, let alone all biological factors, have no role in depression at all.”

          https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/abcs-child-psychiatry/202207/depression-and-serotonin-what-the-new-review-actually-says

        • “You want to hate on the pharmaceutical industry”

          If that’s your take, then you misunderstood me. I hate on corruption and incompetence.

          “Wasn’t the whole “brain chemistry” thing found to be bunk?”

          It was found to be a lie from day one. How does anyone still trust the pharma industry or their regulators after the Cov19 fiasco? Everything they say should be viewed with extreme skepticism.

        • “…the medication is a band-aid solution, not a cure.”

          Depends on how you define those terms. One of my sisters-in-law is bipolar, and has been on prozac for some 30 years. She has been able to reduce the dose, replaced with some herbal supplements and such, but will probably take it until she dies. Ask my brother, who along with her dad, had to drag his young bride to a hospital, and he’ll tell you hands down that it’s a cure.

        • It isn’t a cure by definition if you have to take it indefinitely. It can be a band-aid solution that helps to mask or lessen the symptoms of the underlying issue.

        • Oh, I know it’s not, on paper. However, in a practical sense, if all she needs to do, to keep from cleaning things 8 times, and not panic at the sight of a bug, etc., is to take this little pill, well, that’s tantamount to being a cure even if she has to do it forever. My brother, thinking about loss of supply during a zombie apocalypse, has encouraged her and her doc to explore supplements/alternatives, but still, it works and has no negative side effects in her case. It hasn’t solved the problem of her body’s tendency to have a persistent biochemistry malfunction, but it has solved the effects of that biochemistry malfunction. At the real life level, for them, that’s a cure, or as close to one as she’ll get.

        • That sounds like a legitimate use of the medication that gets overshadowed by the prolific over prescription of those meds.

          I think it’s also possible to be a legitimate use for someone with depression or anxiety, as long as they understand it’s a band-aid to help them function while they’re working on solving the underlying issue(s). Sometimes there is no cure for an underlying issue. I don’t think we can cure HIV, but apparently there are some great meds available that suppress the symptoms.

        • “It isn’t a cure by definition if you have to take it indefinitely. It can be a band-aid solution that helps to mask or lessen the symptoms of the underlying issue.”

          Most diseases and conditions aren’t curable.

          Cancer is the best example. I’m six years post-treatment — but I’ll never be cured. And hawkeye’s sister-in-law seems to be experiencing more than a “band-aid solution.”

          Doctors who treat cancer, or oncologists, often measure treatment success based on whether cancer is in remission. While a cure means that a disease has gone for good, remission doesn’t come with that guarantee. Remission can be complete or partial — https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24434-cure

          “Wasn’t the whole “brain chemistry” thing found to be bunk?”
          — “It was found to be a lie from day one.”

          Then you won’t have any problem pointing me to a study where the exact method of serotonin uptake as it occurs inside a living human brain has been directly observed in order to disprove the serotonin theory of depression?

          Dude, I’ll continue to rely on medical professionals for medical and pharmaceutical advice.

        • I’m familiar with how cancer works. For decades, I’ve been very close to someone who treats it. I hear all about the various cases. Like most people, I also know those who have and haven’t survived it.

          No evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin levels, finds comprehensive review
          After decades of study, there remains no clear evidence that serotonin levels or serotonin activity are responsible for depression, according to a major review of prior research led by UCL scientists.
          https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2022/jul/no-evidence-depression-caused-low-serotonin-levels-finds-comprehensive-review

          Man with no name, because you’re personally invested in one side of this argument, you seem to be ignoring part of what I’ve been saying. I’ve stated multiple times that there can be a legitimate use. It goes without saying that some medical professionals are very particular about not over prescribing medications, and educating their patients on the pros and cons of use. Unfortunately, they’re in the minority.

          Medical professionals helped (sometimes wittingly, sometimes unwittingly) the pharma companies hook people on highly addictive (and highly profitable) drugs. The overwhelming majority of health professionals also suggested experimental injections for children who weren’t at high risk of dying from Cov19. They kept doing it late in the game, even after the mounting evidence was too much to ignore that:

          A) young people weren’t at risk;
          B) there could be adverse effects from the injections;
          C) it might not be effective anyway, especially against the newer variants

          They STILL recommended kids to get the third or fourth shot. You blindly trust those people? It was health professionals who told us we had to stay home so we wouldn’t catch or spread the WuFlu UNLESS we were out in a packed crowd with BLM. “…as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission.” But they didn’t support us seeing grandma in the retirement home, going to church, walking in the park, swimming in the ocean, or even visiting a dying relative in the hospital. You trust those people?

        • P.S. Let’s not forget how the medical professionals suddenly (conveniently) forgot everything they learned about natural immunity! You trust those people?

        • Something else to consider:
          Trends in both depression and suicide have increased since the introduction of SSRI meds. If those wonder drugs worked as advertised, then shouldn’t those rates be decreasing as use of the drugs increase? As a matter of scientific fact, some SSRI meds cause suicide, compared to placebo. Disclaimer again: I’m not saying there can’t be a legitimate use. I’m not saying your use is illegitimate. I’m only pointing out facts.

        • “The new umbrella review – an overview of existing meta-analyses and systematic reviews – published in Molecular Psychiatry …”

          That’s the same “study” that Cerealkillin posted from Nature.com. It’s a review of previous studies, not new research. And I answered it with an article from Psychology Today which was critical of the overview. You haven’t cited a study where the exact method of serotonin uptake as it occurs inside a living human brain has been directly observed in order to disprove the serotonin theory of depression.

          “…some medical professionals are very particular about not over prescribing medications, and educating their patients on the pros and cons of use. Unfortunately, they’re in the minority.”

          Citation?

          “The overwhelming majority of health professionals also suggested experimental injections for children …”

          Citation?

          “You blindly trust those people? … You trust those people?”

          We weren’t discussing Wuhan Flu and it’s dishonest to conflate that with anti-depressants; my “trust” in political entities is not at issue here. Nevertheless, I refer you to the “Great Barrington Declaration.”

          “Trends in both depression and suicide have increased since the introduction of SSRI meds. If those wonder drugs worked as advertised, then shouldn’t those rates be decreasing as use of the drugs increase?”

          Can you reference a study that proves that increased suicide rates and depression are caused solely by the use of a specific class of anti-depressant medicine?

          “I’m not saying there can’t be a legitimate use.”

          So far, everything you’ve said indicates that you believe otherwise. Again, I’ll confer with my doctor and in deciding what is best for me, and I’ll give doctors and patients more credit than you have in their ability to make their own decisions.

        • From your Psychology Today article:
          This poorly-chosen term [“chemical imbalance”] is actually one of psychiatry’s creation and now it’s being thrown back in our face imbued with even broader meaning.

          I’ve seen commercials for these medications that say you have depression because of a chemical imbalance which this medication fixes. Now they’re pretending like it’s a poorly-chosen term? They used it to market their drugs.

          From your Psychology Today article:
          The monoamine hypothesis [“chemical imbalance”] faded as a dominant model with further research and was supplanted decades ago by the “biopsychosocial” model of psychiatric disorders which continues to prevail today.

          There’s also no denying that selected studies supporting serotonin’s role were heavily leveraged by the pharmaceutical industry to market more antidepressants.

          Depression experts have well moved on from the low serotonin theory years if not decades ago

          Yet they aired those “chemical imbalance” commercials as recently as last year. They may still be airing them. Your article is saying they were intentionally pushing outdated information to market those drugs. They have moved on from the “low serotonin theory.” The social aspect of the “biopsychosocial” model means relationships, activities, environmental factors, etc. In other words, they’re things a daily pill can’t fix, but might help you forget about as you work through your issue(s). That’s the same thing I’ve been saying from the beginning.

          From your Psychology Today article:
          the meta-analysis by Ogawa cited in the review did indeed find no evidence of a link between serotonin and depression but did find evidence of a link between dopamine and depression.

          Admittedly, we don’t know very well how antidepressants work, but for millions of people, they do…Depression is complicated. Different people get there from different paths and find their way out through different means. Ascribing all depression as due to low serotonin, or poor diet, or trauma, or smartphones, or poverty will just end with a study like this.

          Where’s the part where he proves that low serotonin causes depression, and SSRI meds fix it? Do doctors check serotonin levels before prescribing an SSRI, just like they check cholesterol levels before prescribing cholesterol meds? I know more than a few people that are using, and have used SSRIs. Not one of them had their serotonin levels checked first. They were simply given a script after citing depression symptoms to their primary care doc.

          “Citation?”

          Okay, Miner. I have to cite everything for you? Have you been living under a rock for the past three years? The CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommended it. Most doctors fall in line, and go with those official recommendations so they aren’t liable. How many doctors did you see contradicting that? I had miner children at that time. Our pediatrics (and others) were recommending all the shots and all of the boosters for children. The AAP recommends COVID-19 vaccination for all children and adolescents 5 years of age and older

          From your favorite source:
          While doctors are not to solely blame for the opioid crisis, it is true that there is a pattern of overprescription of these medications. That isn’t the only medication they over prescribe. Look up the problems with antibiotics some day.
          https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/denying-the-grave/201802/why-do-doctors-overprescribe

          “We weren’t discussing Wuhan Flu and it’s dishonest to conflate that with anti-depressants…Nevertheless, I refer you to the “Great Barrington Declaration.”

          Now you’re playing dumb and hurling insults. The very obvious subject is trusting healthcare professionals. The Cov19 fiasco is extremely relevant in that regard. You’re being dishonest by pretending like that’s irrelevant. I’m not being dishonest about anything. The “Great Barrington Declaration” IS irrelevant to this discussion.

          “Can you reference a study that proves that increased suicide rates and depression are caused solely by the use of a specific class of anti-depressant medicine?”

          Again, you’re being downright silly with your requests for citations. I never claimed that which means you’re attacking a straw man, just like Miner does. If SSRIs cure depression, then it stands to reason that when more people take those medications, fewer people will be depressed. As those medications have increased in popularity (look it up yourself), depression and suicide rates have increased (again, look it up yourself). Why aren’t you complaining about the increased risk of suicide? You know that study exists, don’t you?

          So far, everything you’ve said indicates that you believe otherwise. Again, I’ll confer with my doctor and in deciding what is best for me, and I’ll give doctors and patients more credit than you have in their ability to make their own decisions.

          And now you can read my mind. Or are you calling me a liar again? You’re a real piece of work. This discussion isn’t about you. YOU made it about YOU. I’m not trying to decide what’s best for you. I’m not saying you shouldn’t listen to your doctor. I’m using logic and facts to discuss an important subject. You have a major problem with that for some reason. It’s my opinion that you’re emotionally invested in one side of this argument.

        • I left a reply that’s awaiting moderation. It’s too long to find the moderation trigger. Here’s the last paragraph:

          And now you can read my mind. Or are you calling me a liar again? You’re a real piece of work. This discussion isn’t about you. YOU made it about YOU. I’m not trying to decide what’s best for you. I’m not saying you shouldn’t listen to your doctor. I’m using logic and facts to discuss an important subject. You have a major problem with that for some reason. It’s my opinion that you’re emotionally invested in one side of this argument.

  6. And here we go:

    “From the information obtained, it appears that most school shooters were not previously treated with psychotropic medications – and even when they were, no direct or causal association was found.” — The myth of school shooters and psychotropic medications, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31513302/

    “Violence, especially random violence, is a complex manifestation of various thoughts, feelings, and external factors. When a multivariate analysis of these factors is conducted, it becomes apparent that it’s not just mental health issues that are leading to such an increase. There may be an underlying substance which plays a role in a high percentage of these violent acts – the use of prescription antidepressants, specifically selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.” — An Uncomfortable Truth: Does the Rise of Antidepressants and SSRIs Fuel Mass Shootings? https://www.psychreg.org/antidepressants-ssri-mass-shootings/

    • My confidence with the involved institutions is a bit reduced from the last 20 years.

    • Swedish study and correlation between SSRI and violence:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7347007/
      “While questions on causality remain, these results indicate that there may be an increased risk of violent crime during SSRI treatment in a small group of individuals. It may persist throughout medicated periods, across age groups, and after treatment discontinuation.”
      It’s not about the tool used, it’s about violence.

    • Who paid for those “studies”?

      All of the “professional” folks talked about above were all wearing those stupid, worthless masks and making folks who were keeping them in business wear them also. The masks were absolutely useless in stopping viruses. They MAY stop some bacteria, namely tuberculosis, but viruses — never happen. Go on line and see what 3M has to say about their vaunted N95 mask. And that’s supposed to be the cadillac of masks. The crap that most people wear are only good for holding up your local Stop “N Rob.

  7. This dude is going after pharma way too much to have any chance of success at becoming president.

    • Alternate theory (bring out tinfoil) this is to draw votes away from a future candidate they do not want to win next year even if it means electing another they also do not want.

      • elections are rigged in the primaries, or so I am convinced.

        could totally see it.

        • I mean just the democrat side with Bernie Sanders and the superdelegates was fun to watch. Curious to see how the republicans with do it……….loyalty pinky swears maybe?

  8. Kennedy says “I’m not going to take away anybody’s guns”… I, too, am sure of that. He’ll just be the one who sees to it that a federal gun registry is instituted and then the ATF and LE take away everyone’s guns. Beware HOW these Marxists say things. As far as psychotropic meds go-I’m a pharmacist and I’m seeing what I say is an ever increasing and alarming crescendo of kids, as young as 4 and 5, being put on these meds. Trust me when I say this, for the practioner, putting kids on these meds is business for them, financial survival. They have an idea of where they want to be financially and with insurance companies constantly cutting back their reimbursement rates, the more kids they put on these meds the more long-term sources of income they produce. Same goes for the opiod epidemic and the trans hysteria. The development of lifetime income sources.The majority of these kids don’t need medicating, they need structure at home, discipline, stability, parents who make God the center of everything they do…all of which they get none of. Moral decay is the greatest source of demise in America.

    • Kennedy says “I’m not going to take away anybody’s guns”

      Braindead said the same thing in 2020 (remember the factory worker that called him a liar)… Last month it was “I’m calling upon the House and Senate once again to BAN “assault weapons”…

    • I totally agree, I am an avid shooter, and love my firearms, and as for meds, control what you give kids, I have been played a difficult hand throughout my life, and unfortunately at 68 years old and retired, it’s a battle with pain just to get out of bed, I have been on pain meds for over 6 years, have 2 reverse shoulder replacements, a hardware store in my back, and opioids have been my savior in allowing me to live a productive life, and no, I don’t believe in addiction, and yes, I am taking the same amount or less since I started taking them years ago, that’s just a con from the junkies that want to blame society for their mistakes, I would place them in an Ice cream truck with a sign on the side, FREE PAIN PILLS,, and as long as you can prove your over 21, have at it, kill yourself if you want, if it’s not opioids, it’s going to be something else, after 6 years I still take a 10 milligram pill when the pain gets unbearable, after my surgery for my last shoulder, the pain became manageable and stop taking them from one day to the other, for over 5 months, so much for addiction, unfortunately being almost pain free in my shoulders has led me to take up motorcycles again and camping, so I take them again when my back flares up, and stop when its better. it’s not the guns, or the meds people, it’s the bad people that are the problem, educate the people, or simply let them kill themselves if they don’t want to learn, and problem solved. we have a saying where I come from, eliminate the dog, and you eliminate the rabies! sorry if this sounds crude, but this world is pass the pussyfooting around, either we take it back, or it will take us.

      • , that’s just a con from the junkies that want to blame society

        Nope, addiction is REAL… Don’t know what pain meds you are on but I was on 30mg Oxy-co-done every four hours for six years and when I finally decided I wanted to take my life back it took me six months of decreasing dosages until the last week when I went cold turkey, withdrawal IS a bitch, cramps, cold chills, sweats… Took three days before I could stay out of bed for more than 30 minutes… The only drug I take now is a couple of Ad-vil before I get on the Harley, a 1200 pound vibrator at 70 can do wonders… The pain is still there I just chose to say fuck it…. Double hip replacement this Fall, said no to the “hardware store” in my back, I’ll just deal with it…

        This SPAM shit is ridiculous… How about you clean up all the REAL fucking spam that shows up in MY email every day from THIS site?

        • “How about you clean up all the REAL fucking spam that shows up in MY email every day from THIS site?”

          Stop checking the boxes that say “Notify me of follow-up comments by email.” and “Notify me of new posts by email.”

          And then wait. It can take a *long* time to take effect… 🙁

        • Stop checking the boxes that say “Notify me of follow-up comments by email.” and “Notify me of new posts by email.”

          Then why bother posting at all, which negates the need to bother READING so just remove it from my laptop and move on… Have done that before, might have to do it again…

    • “We’re not going to take away anyone’s guns”… the words of a sure scoundrel.

  9. He’s never going to be the Democrat nominee but he adds a new dimension to the race by adding a voice contrary to the party line. While I don’t think I can agree with him on most of the major issues, I welcome his questioning of some of the sacred cows of today. Regardless, I cannot see myself voting for any Democrat.

  11. Remember… your doctor prescribed you that drug because an attractive person from a drug company pulling a suitcase on wheels visited them and gave them a free pen.

    😁

    • “…because an attractive person from a drug company pulling a suitcase on wheels visited them and gave them a free pen.”
      No, gave them a free place to insert their pen… is.

    • “…and gave them a free pen.”

      A free pen?

      It’s more like expensive dinners and all-expense paid luxury Caribbean cruises, these days… 🙁

  12. what do you call a Democrat that says “My position on gun control is that I’m not going to take away anybody’s guns” ?

    A liar.

  13. The correlation between mass shooters and people on strong SSRI drugs has a well documented history. Doesn’t meant they cause the mass shootings, and the fact that there are a lot of people on them, those drugs have been around for a long time, and yet these kinds of mass shootings are still incredibly rare.

    As usual, it’s not the guns or even the drugs. Not statically speaking anyway. It’s just sometimes they mix poorly.

    • Exactly. If anything, it’s proof that those drugs didn’t work as advertised. It’s also evidence that the health “professionals” caring for these individuals didn’t help as advertised. That isn’t the same as saying there is no legitimate use for those drugs. People seem to forget that the main goal of pharma companies isn’t to help people. It’s to make money.

      • They can work just as advertised. It doesn’t matter if you’re handing them out to the wrong people.

        Modern medicine loves to just throw medications at problems. In these sort of situations, if the docs don’t do their homework (which is sometimes borderline illegal) that’s going to have a spread-pattern effect like birdshot at range. You’ll get a few on target and miss with most. The ones you miss with will be “medicated” and deemed “safe” when they’re not because the drug you’re giving them isn’t the answer.

        In grade school I’d finish my work and then leave my desk sometimes. The teacher had gone to a weekend workshop on ADHD and basically forced my doctor to Rx Ritalin, which he informed my parents not to give me but to show the school the Rx and claim I was taking for the rest of the year just to shut this woman up.

        Then in high school I was sent to a psychologist for “acting out” (which was literally just asking *uncomfortable* questions, meaning questions that the midwit admins and teachers couldn’t answer and the way I asked them laid bare the fact that their previous answer made zero sense).

        Within 10 minutes of the time I walked into the office the “answer” was Prozac. Again, my doc Rxed it for the political considerations of the school and, in this case because I was older, told me not to take it.

        When that “didn’t work” the wigpicker just shoved me on to Celexa. Again, doc told me not to take it, and so, I didn’t. Which is good because suddenly stopping Celexa or missing a few doses is known to cause delusions and extremely violent, irrational behavior including self-harm and murder in people who shouldn’t have been on it in the first place.

        Stupid people love pills. Pills are the answer to everything when you’re stupid. They’re magic, you see. Because stupid people don’t understand high school chemistry but love to use words like “biochem” and “neurotransmitters” to sound like they’re not crayon eating morons.

        • That’s amazing! Did the pharma reps visit the schools after they left the doctor offices? At least you guys didn’t listen to the authority figures. I bet most people followed their advice.

        • Sounds oddly familiar but with a less benevolent doctor. Oddball question but ever encounter anything weird with the GATE program if your school had it (and assuming you are 35-45)?

        • @Dude:

          Dunno about other people or how common it was to just hand them out. I suspect that most people didn’t get the treatment that I did because they tended not to speak out.

          I didn’t care and neither did my parents since they’d been warned what would happen with me when I was like six. Racking up 11 suspensions freshman through junior year was something they actually expected and usually found amusing (and sometimes useful before MIOSHA banned non-students from chem labs).

          @SAFE:

          I assume you’re talking about the gifted programs? We didn’t have a program like that.

          If you got past algebra II you could take math at the university starting with pre-calc and going as high as you could get through. If you passed algebra II your sophomore year that meant you could, in theory, do four semesters of university level math.

          That program was “Distance Learning” over a live TV broadcast if you were too young to drive or couldn’t get a parent’s signoff for a carpool with an older student/parent. Mostly the only kids who did that had parents at the university because our math “department” sucked donkey balls.

          Other than that, you were tapped out at AP for English, Bio, Chem, History etc because engineering schools don’t have big departments for anything outside math, engineering and chemistry and Michigan didn’t have a mechanism to let you take something like chemistry, mechanical or electrical engineering courses unless you actually enrolled at the university which you couldn’t do until you had a diploma or GED.

          Once we moved, I have no idea if New Mexico had such a program. I never asked or cared. I only had three classes my senior year, four if you count two semesters of English as two separate classes. I went to work the rest of the time.

          Looking back, given New Mexico’s education system… I kinda doubt such thing existed. Even back then the big fights were over what was then called “social promotion”, the practice of passing kids on to the next grade/class even though they failed, because feelz.

  14. Sometimes, a politico makes sense.

    Mind altering drugs most certainly play a role in other crimes – why would they not play a role in mass shootings?

  15. Over/under on when the cia goes for the ”Kennedy hat-trick”? I guess it depends on when slo-jo’s check clears.

  17. I would point to Dillan Cashman of MacMinniville. When he wasn’t taking his physician prescribed drugs, he was treating his mental health problems with marijuana. Dillan has a really hard day last year. When the police were called to his home, he allegedly opened fire, allegedly discharging some 243 rounds from a half dozen different firearms. Somehow, he managed to ventilate the neighborhood without hitting anyone.

    Dillan was just acquitted of multiple counts of attempted murder. However; his case will be exploited as a pretext to lynch gun owners.

  18. String these Bastards up and make examples out of their criminality!

  19. Hat. am very wary of Psychotropicz, especially SSRIs or Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors, like Prozac, due to the personal experience of being prescribed to Prozac. What that medication did to me cost me my job, my career, and damn near cost me my marriage and my life.
    .y personality completely changed while on Prozac. I did things on the Prozac, I’d never done before, and have never done since getting off of it. By the time I quit taking it, I was ready to end it. I did things I’m still ashamed to admit too.
    So it doesn’t surprise me at all to find out many of these Shooters were taking Psychotropic medications. Instead of worrying about Addicts buying Guns, that question on 4473vshould be “Are you currently taking Psychotropic Medications?”

  20. RFK is the Trump of the Democrat party at this point.

    They’ll pull out all the stops to destroy him. The majority of the attempts will fail, most entertainingly. Though he, himself, openly says they might do to him what they did to his uncle which I kinda doubt. They’ve, mostly, gotten slicker than that.

    19-20% against Biden this early…. Biden’s handlers are getting nervous.

  21. forget the drugs..just another excuse…what’s missing are the moral walls that religion used to provide…self-centeredness is the root of most mass shootings…basically saying I want everyone to pay attention to my grievance…and doing something outrageous is the best way to make that happen ….

  22. What a total Dick-Head First DONALD TRUMP thenthe GERIATRIC JOE BIDEN who cannot even remember whuch bloody country he’s in and if her stand for a SECOND term will be 86 at the end of it and now a sodding MEDICAL EXPERT.
    There is absolutely NO CONNECTION between anti-depressants of any knid so why pick ON PROZAC IN scientic terms just because two things happen together You cannot assume that they are interconnected and it may justbe thatrthe increasde in mASS SHOOTINGS has increased the usage of ANTI-DEPRESSENTS not the other bloody was rond] and the increase in MASS SHOOTINGS [And I have done the research as far vas the evidence is available ] For a POLITICIAN of his supposed stature to say the EVERY BLOODY SCHOOL needs ARMED security in the modern a supposedly CIVILISED COUNTRY is absolute madness. I cannot think of a single develope Country in the world where this is thought nessessary. Not a single ONE.
    What has the USA descended into when all it would take is some sensible gun control measures to reduce if not eradicate the problem -[ there is no way that you can stop, or deter the truly determined occasional madman or woman but you for certain make it more difficult.
    The fact is that MASS SHOOTINGS are, whether you like it or not. directly connected with three things AVAILABILITY, lax Controls and lax Licensing.

  23. Fuck do YOU care Limey, not your country, not your government, not your problem AND none of your fucking business… That prozac thing strike a nerve? Find yourself sharpening your kitchen knife? Got a sudden urge to go on killing spree? GFY…

  24. Lil al must’ve dropped out of school before they taught how to compose a proper sentence.

    • Guy is dumb as a rock, intellectual capacity of a small soap dish… Never has been able to produce a coherent sentence (or a thought for that matter)…

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