If you haven’t read them already, you’d do well to read Jeremy’s reviews of the original Ruger PC Carbine and the later release with the aluminum handguard. In short, he’s a fan of both takedown pistol caliber rifles. His only quibble with with their stocks. Jeremy’s probably going to be a lot happier with Ruger’s announcement of their latest upgrade to the platform.
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Ruger’s announced the new Pistol Caliber Carbine Chassis model featuring a Magpul MOE stock among other upgrades. Three models, actually…one for the free portions of the country and two to comply with arbitrary and useless gun control laws that many of our fellow Americans have to live with.
Here’s Ruger’s press release . . .
Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE-RGR) is excited to introduce three configurations of its new Pistol Caliber Carbine (PC Carbine™) Chassis model. The standard model of this refreshed PC Carbine boasts an abundance of new features, including a glass-filled polymer chassis system; six-position, telescoping, Magpul® MOE® buttstock; flared magwell for improved magazine reloading capabilities; ergonomic pistol grip with extended trigger reach; and a factory-installed, barrel-mounted Picatinny rail. Additionally, two 10-round state compliant models are available. One with an adjustable stock and threaded barrel, and the other with a fixed stock and non-threaded barrel.
The new, glass-filled polymer chassis system allows for the use of standard AR pistol grips and collapsible buttstocks. The adjustable ghost ring rear sight of the original PC Carbine has been replaced with a factory-installed, barrel-mounted Picatinny rail, which allows for the forward mounting of optics. These new models utilize a CNC-machined, hard-coat anodized aluminum handguard with Magpul M-LOK® accessory attachment slots on all four sides for easy mounting of M-LOK-compatible accessories.
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These models also maintain several hallmark features of the original PC Carbine, including: an easily interchangeable magazine well system that allows the rifle to accept common Ruger and newer Glock® magazines; dead blow action with a custom tungsten weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise; reversible magazine release and charging handle to accommodate right- or left-handed shooters; a simple takedown mechanism to allow for quick separation of the barrel/forend assembly from the action; durable heat-treated, chrome-moly steel bolt; cold hammer-forged chrome-moly steel barrel with ultra-precise rifling; and in some models, a ½” x 28 threaded barrel.
The PC Carbine Chassis model ships with the SR-Series™ magazine well installed and an additional magazine well that accepts newer Glock magazines. A 9mm Luger Ruger American® Pistol magazine well is available separately at ShopRuger.com.
For more information on the PC Carbine, or to learn more about the extensive line of award-winning Ruger firearms, visit Ruger.com or Facebook.com/Ruger. To find accessories for the PC Carbine and other Ruger firearms, visit ShopRuger.com or your local independent retailer of Ruger firearms.
I doubt that’s an option. The Scorp mag is a box magazine that alternates feeding from the left and the right side feed lip (stays double-stack to the very top) whereas the pistol mags that the PC Carbine is designed for taper to a single round that’s centered at the top (effectively single-stack at the top). The bolt face and the feed ramp aren’t likely to work with a box mag like the Scorpion’s.
Still weighs as much as an ar…. they need to lighten it if anything
It drives me nuts that the barrell isn’t centered in the handguard
Why on earth would they make the barrel off center? Looks stupid.
Disagree, I think it looks distinctive in a good way. If you want the barrel centered just get any generic AR.
I’ll give you ‘distinctive’, but not ‘in a good way’.
I would think it’s because it affords more spacing between the hand held portion of the guard vs one’s hand which means it may not get as hot there. Just a guess though
^Very much this^
S’good idea, methinks.
WANT!
So left handed people are screwed and get burned
even lefties are gonna grab the bottom.
It is done so the optics height is the same as the rail on the receiver. The big issue in my opinion is that you can’t run a suppressor underneath the handguard. This would be a pretty SBR (or braced pistol if they make it in that flavor) with like a 9-inch barrel and a suppressor that ends up more or less flush with the front of the handguard. But…not an option.
My guess is to accommodate the takedown interface without having to resort to a larger diameter. It is damn solid for a takedown rifle.
The magazine well looks like a AR lower bodged together to allow a 9mm magazine fit. These kinds of mods always look a bit fakey-do. You’d think a company like Ruger could have come up with a better design. I don’t think I want a “pistol-caliber” carbine that wishes it was a AR.
It may be that in order to mount the rail onto the actual barrel it was easier to put the barrel at the top of the handguard.
Just sayin’.
My recollection is that Ruger stated centering the barrel would put the guard itself up higher. This would block the sights. They decided it was easier to have it look “odd” than have to re-engineer everything to raise up the sights.
I find it SOOO interesting that that brought this out soon after Dianne publicly announced her proposed restrictions on firearm configuration!! Accidental or not I like it!
Feinswine has been pushing this kind of bs for longer than most of us can remember. Every opportunity she gets she pulls out her semi auto ban bill.
The traditional stock was one of the best things about the PC9. You can keep your AR abortion stocks. I will keep my traditional stocks.
@Chris Mallory: Me too!
Ruger PC Carbine. Not the Ruger PC9. The Ruger PC9 was discontinued about 10 years ago.
If you do a search for “PC9,” you will see pretty much everybody but Ruger calls it the PC9. Ruger tends to refer to it by its various model numbers.
When they do a pistol version with an 8-10 inch barrel and folding brace in 10mm I will gladly fork over my money! Just keep the price reasonable. Just thought some more…if someone would then make a 9×25 Dillon barrel for it…Ooo Eee!
Yes. 10mm, folding or short stock, 8″ barrel. Then we’ll be talkin’.
why not bring out a real caliber like 44 or 45 ? this 9mm junk is for paper or big city varmints that you do not want to destroy.
I want a 9mm PCC. It’s cheap to shoot and they are fun.
I want a 10mm PCC with a longer barrel like this for hunting.
I want a short barrel PCC in 45 for home defense as a suppressor host , since 45 is better for sub sonic.
Yea. I would like one in 45acp that uses Thompson 30 round mags. That would be totally bad ass.
I was hoping for 327 federal mag 357 mag 44mag and why not 45
This would scare the muggles in CA so no doubt it will be not allowed. At least until Trump finishes remaking the 9th circus.
This might not sell well in CA because it would come with a grip fin and the stock would have to be none collapsable. This chassis is cool but pricey: https://www.cromusa.com/products/crom-pc-chassis
I kinda want one but with a wooden stock… and a drum mag… for some reason…
In 45 and full auto.
Exactly!
Google the PPSh-41, a WW2 Russian SMG. The visual similarity is striking. That gun in 7.62x25mm Tokarev took a 71 round drum or 35 round box mag.
The Ruger PC Carbine needs a drum mag mounted right up underneath. In 9mm and in .45ACP. And a wood stock, for the classic lines.
Yep. 7.62×25 would be a cool caliber on its own but it’s not common enough anymore to shoot at volume. But yeah I’d like to see this PPSH’d in an assortment of modern calibers.
Unfortunately, not one American gun manufacturer has recognized the value of 7.62×25 Tok. great round out of a TT or PPSh41
If ever won the lotto, like the big lotto, I’d start my own gun and ammo company for some of those WW2 and Cold War classics that you can’t find anymore. PPSH and 7.62×25 would be one of them. Do a Sten, MP 40 (one with 32 round mags, not 25) MAT49, Grease gun ect…
Okay they now have a platform that can accept AR pistol braces so it’s just a matter of time before the pistol version is released, right?
I’d say so.
Meh. I already have two AR pistols in my preferred configurations, in addition to my AR carbines. If I were to get one more AR pistol, it’d be the AR-9 from PSA. Reviewed here by The Daily Shooter:
Luv it. This thing’s the ultimate shiz-naz in my book.
Am I the only one who wants a wood stock for the PCC?
@MouseGun: “Am I the only one who wants a wood stock for the PCC?”
Maybe not, but to me a wood stock just doesn’t seem appropriate somehow. I like mine the way it is. And the last thing I want is one done up to look like an AR15.
Wood stock w/ curved carbine style buttplate
To be exact….. In the flavor of a M1A1 paratrrooper carbine with the option to use a reduced capacity M1A1 styled magazine.
Just bought standard model, this was available, I decided against it as it was a couple of hundred more, and other than the pistol grip, the other features were not any value to me, but it’s great they did it as a lot of people like those featured. Good job Ruger, they listen to their customers. Stick a Glock G18 mag in it and have fun, and it’s also a great home defense weapon, don’t have to worry about over penetration or hitting a sleeping neighbor 3/4 mile down road.
Make a Ruger PC Carbine in 10mm Auto and I will buy one, period. Great Wild Boar gun with the right ammo. And make it compatible with Glock 10mm high capacity mags. That would be awesome
^ This!
I want a pistol caliber carbine in 10 mm Auto that accepts Glock magazines. If they price it below $500, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Even better would be a pistol caliber carbine chambered in .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum. (Not sure if that is feasible with the rimmed cartridges though. Regardless, Kel-Tec seems to have done it with .22 LR and .22 WMR so why not size that up for .357 and .44 Magnum?)
The PC Carbine platform just isn’t sufficient for the .45 ACP/10mm class of cartridges – it’s not going to work.
The 99/44 could easily be modified for .45 ACP/10mm magazines – just sayin’.
Nate in CA,
The PC Carbine platform just isn’t sufficient for the .45 ACP/10mm class of cartridges – it’s not going to work.
In keeping with this site’s namesake, I am going to call you out on the truth about guns. And one truth about guns is that manufacturers already make pistol caliber carbines chambered in 10 mm Auto and .45 ACP.
Hi-Point offers their pistol caliber carbine in 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, and 10 mm Auto.
And Beretta offers their CX4 Storm carbine in 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
Incorrect. The Ruger PC Carbine has plenty of space to accommodate a .45 or 10mm round. The magwell was designed to be oversized to accept other, larger calibers. Same goes for the bolt. It’s modular. Specifically so Ruger could offer upgrade kits down the road. You will see the PC Carbine offered in at least .45 ACP at some point. Maybe 10mm. Just depends on how sales progress and the aftermarket follows.
Needs iron sights with more magazine and caliber choices
On second thought, this thing looks heavy, big, and stupid.
I’ll pass.
The entire point of a pistol caliber carbine is to be light-weight and slim profile.
The point of a pistol caliber carbine is to use the same ammo/magazines of your sidearm in a package that provides ease of use and increased accuracy – economics, logistics and efficiency, not weight savings.
Nate in CA,
Ease of use and logistics includes reducing unnecessary weight.
And I can tell you right now that a pistol caliber carbine (especially one chambered in 9mm Luger) does not have to weigh anywhere near 7 pounds. For example Kel-Tec makes pistol caliber carbines chambered in 9mm Luger and .40 S&W which weigh just over 4 pounds. They are pleasant to shoot and accurate. Oh, and they cost just over $400.
I wish Ruger would do the same.
The *hi-point* weighs a full pound less than this does! Think about that for a moment. It’s under 300 bucks! The only down side compared do something like this is the mags. I mean, realistically what ranges are you shooting 9mm at that a free float hand guard is going to give you any benefit at all.
Andrew Lias,
Exactly!
No matter how you slice it, this thing is unnecessarily heavy, large, and awkward.
Makes me wonder how this ever got past the concept stage.
The older I get the less I understand. Why, for instance, they made any other gauge twice barreled shoot gun than ten gauge? Any other style of semi-automatic pistol 1911a1 it don’t be any better 45 apc. Rifles, are a different breed room for functional differences depending on whether hunting humans or food. How all fifty states are signatories to the Constitution of the United States yet have laws that are in direct and clear violation of said document. Hope I don’t get too much older or I won’t understand the difference between Hershey’s chocolates and exlax.
I like the concept of 9mm carbines but they always fall into the “only for fun” catagory for me. Especially the over sized magwell with a puny mag hanging out of it. That just ruins it for me. If I had the money, I’d much prefer something like a LWRC SMG-45. Or at least something in 10mm range. A 9 in a carbine just never floats my boat.
As a final word, 9mm carbines are, well, cute.
When are gun designers going to make a magwell that doesn’t look like they thought they were designing a rifle cartridge for these pistol caliber carbines. It’s like when your two year old puts on your boots. It’s a poor design and server no real purpose.
They make a PC Carbine in 45acp and I will buy one. If it only ever comes in 9mm then it goes down my want list. Have other things that I want more.
An extra half pound weight for what will likely be minimal ergonomic gains on a PCC? Pass. At an $800 MSRP double pass; My 9mm AR is probably about the same price and a pound lighter to boot.
so its a side charging (?) 16 inch (?) pistol caliber (?) carbine chambered in 9mm that accepts ar 15 parts (?) and has a 15 inch free float rail that has the barrel not centered in it (?) ok… if this is whats cool nowadays i want no part of it its an answer to a problem nobody has credibly or reasonably identified yet wait except maybe: “i really want a gun thats kinda sorta a lot like an ar 15…but isnt as loud…and doesnt kick as much…and is just as heavy…and is a little cheaper to shoot…and cant shoot as far…and isnt as lethal at any distance…and i dont want to have to buy any 10 dollar mags for it-i want to buy 20 or 30 dollar mags for it…whattaya got”
Does this mean that the traditional looking carbine will now be on discount? I much prefer the traditional look. Just not the original price. And I really don’t like the price of this one.
Looks like they collaborated or almost directly copied the Copper Custom chassis that was announced many months ago.
CZ Scorpion Magwell adapter when?
I doubt that’s an option. The Scorp mag is a box magazine that alternates feeding from the left and the right side feed lip (stays double-stack to the very top) whereas the pistol mags that the PC Carbine is designed for taper to a single round that’s centered at the top (effectively single-stack at the top). The bolt face and the feed ramp aren’t likely to work with a box mag like the Scorpion’s.
Still weighs as much as an ar…. they need to lighten it if anything
It drives me nuts that the barrell isn’t centered in the handguard
Why on earth would they make the barrel off center? Looks stupid.
Disagree, I think it looks distinctive in a good way. If you want the barrel centered just get any generic AR.
I’ll give you ‘distinctive’, but not ‘in a good way’.
I would think it’s because it affords more spacing between the hand held portion of the guard vs one’s hand which means it may not get as hot there. Just a guess though
^Very much this^
S’good idea, methinks.
WANT!
So left handed people are screwed and get burned
even lefties are gonna grab the bottom.
It is done so the optics height is the same as the rail on the receiver. The big issue in my opinion is that you can’t run a suppressor underneath the handguard. This would be a pretty SBR (or braced pistol if they make it in that flavor) with like a 9-inch barrel and a suppressor that ends up more or less flush with the front of the handguard. But…not an option.
My guess is to accommodate the takedown interface without having to resort to a larger diameter. It is damn solid for a takedown rifle.
The magazine well looks like a AR lower bodged together to allow a 9mm magazine fit. These kinds of mods always look a bit fakey-do. You’d think a company like Ruger could have come up with a better design. I don’t think I want a “pistol-caliber” carbine that wishes it was a AR.
“…factory-installed, barrel-mounted Picatinny rail…”
It may be that in order to mount the rail onto the actual barrel it was easier to put the barrel at the top of the handguard.
Just sayin’.
My recollection is that Ruger stated centering the barrel would put the guard itself up higher. This would block the sights. They decided it was easier to have it look “odd” than have to re-engineer everything to raise up the sights.
I find it SOOO interesting that that brought this out soon after Dianne publicly announced her proposed restrictions on firearm configuration!! Accidental or not I like it!
Feinswine has been pushing this kind of bs for longer than most of us can remember. Every opportunity she gets she pulls out her semi auto ban bill.
The traditional stock was one of the best things about the PC9. You can keep your AR abortion stocks. I will keep my traditional stocks.
@Chris Mallory:
Me too!
Ruger PC Carbine. Not the Ruger PC9. The Ruger PC9 was discontinued about 10 years ago.
If you do a search for “PC9,” you will see pretty much everybody but Ruger calls it the PC9.
Ruger tends to refer to it by its various model numbers.
When they do a pistol version with an 8-10 inch barrel and folding brace in 10mm I will gladly fork over my money! Just keep the price reasonable.
Just thought some more…if someone would then make a 9×25 Dillon barrel for it…Ooo Eee!
Yes. 10mm, folding or short stock, 8″ barrel. Then we’ll be talkin’.
why not bring out a real caliber like 44 or 45 ? this 9mm junk is for paper or big city varmints that you do not want to destroy.
I want a 9mm PCC. It’s cheap to shoot and they are fun.
I want a 10mm PCC with a longer barrel like this for hunting.
I want a short barrel PCC in 45 for home defense as a suppressor host , since 45 is better for sub sonic.
Yea. I would like one in 45acp that uses Thompson 30 round mags. That would be totally bad ass.
I was hoping for 327 federal mag 357 mag 44mag and why not 45
This would scare the muggles in CA so no doubt it will be not allowed. At least until Trump finishes remaking the 9th circus.
This might not sell well in CA because it would come with a grip fin and the stock would have to be none collapsable.
This chassis is cool but pricey:
https://www.cromusa.com/products/crom-pc-chassis
I kinda want one but with a wooden stock… and a drum mag… for some reason…
In 45 and full auto.
Exactly!
Google the PPSh-41, a WW2 Russian SMG. The visual similarity is striking. That gun in 7.62x25mm Tokarev took a 71 round drum or 35 round box mag.
The Ruger PC Carbine needs a drum mag mounted right up underneath. In 9mm and in .45ACP. And a wood stock, for the classic lines.
Yep. 7.62×25 would be a cool caliber on its own but it’s not common enough anymore to shoot at volume. But yeah I’d like to see this PPSH’d in an assortment of modern calibers.
Unfortunately, not one American gun manufacturer has recognized the value of 7.62×25 Tok. great round out of a TT or PPSh41
If ever won the lotto, like the big lotto, I’d start my own gun and ammo company for some of those WW2 and Cold War classics that you can’t find anymore. PPSH and 7.62×25 would be one of them. Do a Sten, MP 40 (one with 32 round mags, not 25) MAT49, Grease gun ect…
Okay they now have a platform that can accept AR pistol braces so it’s just a matter of time before the pistol version is released, right?
I’d say so.
Meh. I already have two AR pistols in my preferred configurations, in addition to my AR carbines. If I were to get one more AR pistol, it’d be the AR-9 from PSA. Reviewed here by The Daily Shooter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrSaCTGd3nk
Luv it. This thing’s the ultimate shiz-naz in my book.
Am I the only one who wants a wood stock for the PCC?
@MouseGun:
“Am I the only one who wants a wood stock for the PCC?”
Maybe not, but to me a wood stock just doesn’t seem appropriate somehow. I like mine the way it is. And the last thing I want is one done up to look like an AR15.
Wood stock w/ curved carbine style buttplate
To be exact…..
In the flavor of a M1A1 paratrrooper carbine with the option to use a reduced capacity M1A1 styled magazine.
Just bought standard model, this was available, I decided against it as it was a couple of hundred more, and other than the pistol grip, the other features were not any value to me, but it’s great they did it as a lot of people like those featured. Good job Ruger, they listen to their customers. Stick a Glock G18 mag in it and have fun, and it’s also a great home defense weapon, don’t have to worry about over penetration or hitting a sleeping neighbor 3/4 mile down road.
Make a Ruger PC Carbine in 10mm Auto and I will buy one, period. Great Wild Boar gun with the right ammo. And make it compatible with Glock 10mm high capacity mags. That would be awesome
^ This!
I want a pistol caliber carbine in 10 mm Auto that accepts Glock magazines. If they price it below $500, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Even better would be a pistol caliber carbine chambered in .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum. (Not sure if that is feasible with the rimmed cartridges though. Regardless, Kel-Tec seems to have done it with .22 LR and .22 WMR so why not size that up for .357 and .44 Magnum?)
The PC Carbine platform just isn’t sufficient for the .45 ACP/10mm class of cartridges – it’s not going to work.
The 99/44 could easily be modified for .45 ACP/10mm magazines – just sayin’.
Nate in CA,
In keeping with this site’s namesake, I am going to call you out on the truth about guns. And one truth about guns is that manufacturers already make pistol caliber carbines chambered in 10 mm Auto and .45 ACP.
Hi-Point offers their pistol caliber carbine in 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, and 10 mm Auto.
And Beretta offers their CX4 Storm carbine in 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
Well, for a PC Carbine I’ve been thinking about the TNW “Aero Survival Rifle” in 10mm.
It is more expensive then the Ruger, but much more changeability, also.
Check their” website” or this write up about it.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-tnw-firearms-aero-survival-rifle/
Incorrect. The Ruger PC Carbine has plenty of space to accommodate a .45 or 10mm round. The magwell was designed to be oversized to accept other, larger calibers. Same goes for the bolt. It’s modular. Specifically so Ruger could offer upgrade kits down the road. You will see the PC Carbine offered in at least .45 ACP at some point. Maybe 10mm. Just depends on how sales progress and the aftermarket follows.
Needs iron sights with more magazine and caliber choices
On second thought, this thing looks heavy, big, and stupid.
I’ll pass.
The entire point of a pistol caliber carbine is to be light-weight and slim profile.
The point of a pistol caliber carbine is to use the same ammo/magazines of your sidearm in a package that provides ease of use and increased accuracy – economics, logistics and efficiency, not weight savings.
Nate in CA,
Ease of use and logistics includes reducing unnecessary weight.
And I can tell you right now that a pistol caliber carbine (especially one chambered in 9mm Luger) does not have to weigh anywhere near 7 pounds. For example Kel-Tec makes pistol caliber carbines chambered in 9mm Luger and .40 S&W which weigh just over 4 pounds. They are pleasant to shoot and accurate. Oh, and they cost just over $400.
I wish Ruger would do the same.
The *hi-point* weighs a full pound less than this does! Think about that for a moment. It’s under 300 bucks! The only down side compared do something like this is the mags. I mean, realistically what ranges are you shooting 9mm at that a free float hand guard is going to give you any benefit at all.
Andrew Lias,
Exactly!
No matter how you slice it, this thing is unnecessarily heavy, large, and awkward.
Makes me wonder how this ever got past the concept stage.
The older I get the less I understand. Why, for instance, they made any other gauge twice barreled shoot gun than ten gauge? Any other style of semi-automatic pistol 1911a1 it don’t be any better 45 apc. Rifles, are a different breed room for functional differences depending on whether hunting humans or food. How all fifty states are signatories to the Constitution of the United States yet have laws that are in direct and clear violation of said document. Hope I don’t get too much older or I won’t understand the difference between Hershey’s chocolates and exlax.
I like the concept of 9mm carbines but they always fall into the “only for fun” catagory for me.
Especially the over sized magwell with a puny mag hanging out of it.
That just ruins it for me.
If I had the money, I’d much prefer something like a LWRC SMG-45.
Or at least something in 10mm range.
A 9 in a carbine just never floats my boat.
As a final word, 9mm carbines are, well, cute.
When are gun designers going to make a magwell that doesn’t look like they thought they were designing a rifle cartridge for these pistol caliber carbines. It’s like when your two year old puts on your boots. It’s a poor design and server no real purpose.
They make a PC Carbine in 45acp and I will buy one. If it only ever comes in 9mm then it goes down my want list. Have other things that I want more.
An extra half pound weight for what will likely be minimal ergonomic gains on a PCC? Pass. At an $800 MSRP double pass; My 9mm AR is probably about the same price and a pound lighter to boot.
so its a side charging (?) 16 inch (?) pistol caliber (?) carbine chambered in 9mm that accepts ar 15 parts (?) and has a 15 inch free float rail that has the barrel not centered in it (?)
ok…
if this is whats cool nowadays i want no part of it
its an answer to a problem nobody has credibly or reasonably identified yet
wait except maybe:
“i really want a gun thats kinda sorta a lot like an ar 15…but isnt as loud…and doesnt kick as much…and is just as heavy…and is a little cheaper to shoot…and cant shoot as far…and isnt as lethal at any distance…and i dont want to have to buy any 10 dollar mags for it-i want to buy 20 or 30 dollar mags for it…whattaya got”
Does this mean that the traditional looking carbine will now be on discount? I much prefer the traditional look. Just not the original price. And I really don’t like the price of this one.
Looks like they collaborated or almost directly copied the Copper Custom chassis that was announced many months ago.
10mm…..when, lord when?
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