Ruger’s Security-9 pistols (see our reviews of the full-size and the compact models) prove that you don’t have to spend much money on a reliable, shootable 9mm pistol for home defense or concealed carry.
The only objection some may have to the Security-9: many carriers object to a manual safety. It’s not something they want to fumble with in an OMG situation with adrenaline pumping.
Problem solved. Ruger’s just announced new versions of both guns — dubbed the Security-9 Pro and the Security-9 Pro Compact — without the thumb safety. Another plus: Ruger’s shipping the Pro models with tritium night sights and an extra magazine.
Here’s their press release . . .
Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR) is proud to introduce the Security-9® Pro and Security-9 Pro Compact pistols. These Pro models maintain many of the same advanced features of the popular Security-9, but are offered without the external manual thumb safety. Security-9 Pro models also ship with three alloy steel magazines and factory-installed steel tritium night sights.
Like other models of the Security-9, these new Pro models include internal safety mechanisms such as an integrated trigger safety, neutrally balanced sear with significant engagement and strong spring tension, and hammer catch to help prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled.
The Security-9 Pro is constructed around a rigid, precision-machined, anodized aluminum chassis with full-length guide rails and a blued alloy steel slide and barrel. The ergonomic grip-frame is comfortable in the hand and features a medium texture. The internal hammer and Secure Action trigger provide a short, crisp feel and positive reset.
The Security-9 Pro holds 15+1 rounds of powerful 9mm Luger ammunition with a mid-sized frame and 4″ barrel. Weighing under 24 ounces, and measuring just 5″ tall and approximately 1″ wide, it is the perfect size for your holster or a day at the range. The compact model shares the same features in a smaller package, holding 10+1 rounds in a flush-fit magazine and weighing under 22 ounces with a 3.40″ barrel (15-round magazines are also available on ShopRuger.com). Both models are ideal for everyday carry.
For more information on the Security-9, or to learn more about the extensive line of award-winning Ruger firearms, visit Ruger.com or Facebook.com/Ruger. To find accessories for the Security-9 and other Ruger firearms, visit ShopRuger.com or your local independent retailer of Ruger firearms.
Is the !#&*!!! magazine disconnect still on these models??? I LOVE Ruger products. HATE magazine disconnects!!!
YouTube is your friend!!!
Before buying my Ruger SR9 I found YouTube videos on removing the magazine disconnect. When I found the gun at a good price, took it home and took it apart and yanked that piece of crap outta’ there!
Still have it, little thing. In a ziplock baggie in my box of gun bits and pieces parts.
Where it can’t hurt anybody 🙂
Did the same thing with my SW shields. Stupid Mag disconnect. Not sure which lamebrain that that was a good idea.
Answer: The lamebrain is probably the insurance company looking to avoid any possible liability issues.
Where do you live? My Shield has no mag dis-connect. Is that a California or Massachusetts thing?
As a matter of fact it says on the slide that it will fire with the magazine removed.
That lamebrain was John Moses Browning. 1926. On the Browning highpoint
My hero.
I think you meant hi-power…
But JMB was first and foremost a business man. There is a mag disconnect in the hi-power because That’s what the buyer wanted.
For a carry or self-defense gun I’d much rather pick a different one than start messing around removing bits. Bad juju.
No, really… it is simply not a piece that functions or interacts with any critical part of the firearm action/cycle. It’s essentially a little tab that just disables (blocks) the trigger until a magazine presses up on it. It’s easily removed.
If you’re really not mechnically capable or tool oriented… or you really subscribe to the psychological baggage of a “juju” thing… maybe you should get another gun. But for anyone with enough brains and sense to carry a pistol in the first place– it really is pretty simple. Even if you just ask a more experienced person to “supervise” it (i.e., Safety = Good), you’ll see how basic the mechanism is. But it is nothing to be afraid of “messing with,” truly.
Magazine disconnects, in my opinion, are for fools who should not have a gun. It’s a mechanism that is, by definition, trying to undo precisely what a gun does under given conditions, in the worst way possible– by trying to mitigate a lack of care, sense, attention, diligence, prudence, you name it, by purposefully dulling the consequences of cutting corners. You don’t get a “mulligan” for “accidentally” leaving a live round in the chamber. *Clear the damn gun. Every time.* Just my opinion.
I cut them sumbitches off, first thing. Be safe.
Mort (actual/AZ)
After thousands of rounds thru my SR9, have yet to discover a reason the gun needs the thing to work properly.
The piece came out of mine so easily it was like it was designed that way. Which makes me think the lawyers advised it but Ruger gun designers made sure gun owners would be able to set things right.
Part of the logic for Police officers at least is that if the gun has a mag disconnect you can drop the mag if someone grabs for it and keep them from being able to shoot you with your own gun. Rugers don’t have a lot of PD contracts so it’s probably to keep the engraving of warnings from taking up the entirety of the slide.
Counterpoint: if you’re actually shooting, and you need to reload, you’re in a much worse situation.
I’m not a big Glock guy but they don’t have mag disconnect safeties, do they? And they’re the most popular cop-gun in America.
Absolutely not, because Glock was made as a military weapon 1st and soldiers aren’t morons their actually trained on the equipment they use.
Apparently some manufactures think the general public are Idiots and are regularly discharging their gun while unloading It, that’s the only reason I can think of for putting a magazine disconnect on a firearm is to try and end to all the needless deaths that occur every year from people unloading their gun……..other than that….I got nothing.
Actually, Private Snuffy is an idiot and soldiers do stupid things with their equipment all the time. The BHP was designed with a magazine safety so Glock not having a magazine disconnect has nothing to do with it being designed for potential military use. Besides to extend it was intended as a military pistol is was intended for your typical garrison militaries. The British were the first combat military to select Glock and it was all based on price not ruggedness.
I used to hate magazine disconnect saftey’s too till one day the disconnect saved my life. I was unloading a Star 9mm auto and had taken out the magazine first. There was still a round in the chamber. Between trying to juggle the pistol and the magazine and some other stuff I had in my hands I lost control of the pistol and was going to drop it and made a grab for it and my finger accidentally hit the trigger. If the Star had not had a magazine safety I would have shot myself or someone else. Many, many people have been known to take a magazine out of a gun and then forget to clear the chamber or hit or snag the trigger accidentally when trying to clear the chamber. Kids have been known to pick up a gun and get shot with a gun that had no magazine in it but had a round accidentally left in the chamber and even many adults sometimes also do the same. Again the magazine safety does save lives. As you can guess I have not taken any more magazine safeties out of any of my guns. I was lucky because the magazine safety was still in the gun but you may not be so lucky if you remove your magazine safety. Think about it your not perfect and never will be.
Awful lot of words to say you are not responsible enough to practice basic firearm safety. So which troll account are you?
I have read of persons inexperienced with the operation of semi-automatic handguns, incorrectly clearing a weapon. Kids especially. They pull back the slide and observe that the chamber is empty. Then, they release the slide, unaware that they have now chambered a round. They then remove the clip and assume that the weapon is now empty and safe. Then, kids will foolishly play with the weapon as if it is now a toy. Only a magazine disconnect can prevent a tragic accident from happening. I know you will say that unsupervised kids should never be allowed to handle a firearm. But, this is the real world we’re talking about. Think about it.
John see above.
Between trying to juggle the pistol and the magazine and some other stuff I had in my hands”
Glad you are OK. But why why would you have anything else in your hands while doing that?
Reason, void. This never happened. Troll boy is trying to prove how easy it is for the average gun owner to be a threat to all around him. Hence the need for evermore gun control.
The only danger I see Is someone thinking they can multitask, or you’re missing the common sense gene, come on man your the reason there Is that stupid cut off lever you have to hang on to while pushing the mower and so many safety stickers on It
“do not put hand In the discharge chute while mower Is running”
What part of putting you’re hand In the path of a spinning blade did you think was a good Idea??
O.K. I’m walking away I’ll take some deep breaths….some people…..GEEZ….WOW.
Thanks for your polite reply Reason its rather refreshing on this forum. I was trying to point out that anyone can get in a hurry and make a mistake including me and I am not ashamed to say it if this helps save someones life. I was lucky I got to learn from my mistake and never did that again (all the extra stuff in my hands that day). I am sure the usual clowns on this forum will say they never made a mistake and never will. Most of them probably carry Glocks. And the above example is why I do not carry a Glock because it too has no magazine safety.
“…I lost control of the pistol and was going to drop it and made a grab for it and my finger accidentally hit the trigger.”
You really are a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? You probably also try and grab a sharp knife you dropped…
And now your trying to infer that you never made a mistake with a gun or anything else. You merely degraded yourself not me.
Thomas for most people a mistake involves forgetting to clear while following all the other basic rules of firearm handling. Unless you have a defective firearm a negligent discharge is the result of recklessness, carelessness, and/or absolute stupidity. Pick whatever you want but the overwhelming majority of gun owners never have issues anything like what you are going on about.
“You merely degraded yourself not me.”
Not necessary. You did it yourself.
A direct answer to Big Al’s question is there is no mag disconnect on the security 9 series at all that i have ever been aware of. At least not in examples i have held in the Lone Star State. Many of Ruger’s other models have had them, but not the security 9.
As for modding carry pistols, (again, in the Lone Star State), i wouldn’t stress too much about it within reason. trigger jobs, mag disconnects, etc.
To me it’s like modding a mustang, or a jeep. sure, the stock models do the job, but a mustang with an upgraded chip/exhaust system/intake, or a jeep with a 3″ lift and 35″ tires isn’t suddenly too dangerous to drive.
Agreed – absolute DUMBEST feature outside of LEO circles IMO!
(Even then it is… sketchy…)
I’ve never understood the hate for manual safety’s.
Can’t you simply NOT use it if your dont want it on?
I think the main concern with that is that it may get knocked on by accident. I have no problem with either, but if a gun has a safety I like it to be a nice chunky one like a 1911. The one type of safety I personally won’t carry are up to fire types; I’ve shot 1911s and similar enough that sweeping the safety off is automatic, I’m sure I would fumble an up to fire.
Absolutely this…
I picked up a p365 with a manual safety because it was the one available in the store. I don’t use it and have no problem with it being there. If I ever take someone to the range with it I’ll use it. Otherwise it’s fine just being there and there’s no way it’s going get activated- it takes a determined action.
I think the hubub over non wanting a manual safety is a combination of tacticool and the fact that gun folks will complain about anything.
The manual safety model should be called the Pro because these are the people who actually know how to operate a safety. The Amateur non-safety model is for people that aren’t sure of themselves. 😉
Many manual safeties can get engaged by accident which can be deadly in an emergency..
I think that manual safeties are only a problem for those who don’t practice enough with their weapon of choice. Practice with your weapon to develop muscle memory. Because when the bullets start flying, muscle memory takes over. The mind can cause dangerous delay and weapon misuse if you haven’t developed muscle memory.
Ruger: add night sights and an extra mag, call it a “PRO” and charge an extra $170…… brilliant!!!
Is that really all the changes?
Yes, unfortunately.
They also removed the thumb safety.
$142 for night sights…
http://shopruger.com/Security-9-HIVIZ-Tritium-Nitesight-Set/productinfo/12503/
$40 for the magazine.
http://shopruger.com/Security-9-15-Round-9mm-Luger-Magazine/productinfo/90637/
so buying the pro model saves you about $10 retail, plus there’s no safety. not much of a deal, but i bet the real world price difference will be less. I usually see them for around $300 around here, and they retail for $379.
Anyone who would opt to buy and especially carry a striker fired pistol that has no manual safety is a babbling idiot. When I ask some of these Morons if they would carry a revolver with the hammer cocked back they all say “Of course not do you think I am stupid”.. I then tell them “Yes that is exactly what you are” because there is no difference in carrying a striker fired gun without a manual safety loaded with one in the chamber and carrying a revolver loaded with the hammer cocked back, absolutely no difference at all. If you think that ridiculous trigger safety actually works try carrying your striker fired gun completely empty but striker cocked for a day without a holster, or if your a women in your purse or if your a man in your waist band but no holster or try putting it under your pillow (again empty of course) and then check at the end of the day or end of the night if the striker is still cocked. Do not be surprised at all if it is not. I have performed such tests including the purse test but substituting a canvas bag I sometimes carry at gun shows with various tools in it. In every case my striker fired gun tripped off the striker because the trigger always got snagged on something. Again the gun was unloaded in the tests.
I was taught in my younger years “how to think” not “what to think” and that is why I take no advertisements at face value, no testimonials from so called authoritative experts ( many of whom are paid to write articles on guns). I test to find out the truth.
When you buy one of these guns without a safety the clerk at the store should have a Federal Law that makes him ask you this question “Do you fell lucky Bud because you will need all the luck you can get when carrying this gun”. Of course none of this would be necessary if guns came under the jurisdiction of the Consumer Safety Council because they would have ruled that if it had no manual safety it was illegal to sell and a lot of people would still be alive today if it had. That is why we have such things today like safety glass in auto’s, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties on riding lawn mowers and the list goes on except when it comes to guns. When it comes to guns the Darwin theory takes over because there are no governmental safety restrictions so only the fittest survive and they are the ones who do not carry striker fired guns without manual safeties.
I recall many tragedies and near tragedies with striker fired pistols without manual safeties but the most though provoking was the news video that showed an off duty Cop with his wife in an elevator. If I remember correctly it was in Columbus or Cincinnati Ohio. The cop reached into his coat pocket to get his wallet but to do that he had to move his striker fired pistol from the left pocket to the right pocket and it fired right off in the elevator and he shot himself but survived. Another was the Police Chief that reached across his desk and pulled his pistol across the desk by the muzzle and the trigger caught on something and he shot his thumb off. Just two examples of hundreds and hundreds. Again striker fired lovers , “Do you feel lucky Bud?
^^^^^babbling idiot^^^^^^
Who the heck would carry without a holster?
I will answer your question. I am not joking. People do it every day and suffer tragedies. Do you remember that famous Black Athlete several years ago that was in a New York Restaurant. He was sitting down eating and moved his body slightly and his Glock went off in his pants and he shot himself. Worse yet he had no permit to carry a gun in New York. Just one of hundreds of examples that prove how dangerous these guns are without manual safeties. Just hope you never accidentally drop one either as if the trigger catches on something on the way down your worries are over for an eternity.
Wow. jerry/vlad. 3 different new names. Same old tired bullshit.
The Security-9 pistols are single action hammer-fired.
Dan with the mic drop…. priceless!
I was not aware of that. But it brings up a very good question. The question now is “How many people will carry this hammer fired Ruger with the hammer cocked back”? Probably only 1 out of million but how many will carry a striker fired pistol loaded without a manual safety? Thousands easily and I am speaking of no holster. It all boils down to “What people cannot see they do not fear”. The many clean up workers at Chernobyl found out that what you cannot see will indeed kill you.
Here let me help you move the goal post.
Cancel that response as I see that if the Ruger is hammer fired then the hammer is concealed internally. So the problem of accidental discharges is exactly the same compared to a striker fired pistol. There is a mechanical advantage and that is most hammer fired guns have way more striking energy than most pre-loaded striker fired pistols that are only partially cocked. Which brings up another interesting question. I wonder if this Ruger hammer fired pistol is pre-cocked. I supposed the question bears asking “what the hell is a neutrally balanced sear”? In other words is the hammer fully cocked or partially cocked? And the second question is if it is partially cocked how much hammer fired energy is lost as compared to a fully cocked hammer. The lost energy problem is well known in the pre-cocked striker fired guns
I might add in the German Pistol trials back I think it was in the 1980’s the lost energy of the pre-loaded striker fired pistols necessitated lowering the striker energy requirements as opposed to the hammer fired energy requirements.
“The Security-9 pistols are single action hammer-fired.”
Do they make one with a de-cocker? ‘Cause that would be the cat’s ass… 😉
They do,
It’s called a Sig sauer
😉
ThomasPaine,
And here you demonstrated your lack of knowledge.
Sure, carrying a striker fired pistol with no manual safety and a round in the chamber is asinine if you carry it unsecured/floating around in your waistband, pocket, purse, or just about anywhere else WITHOUT A PROPER HOLSTER. Expecting that a handgun in that configuration (without a holster) will not discharge is akin to expecting a telephone book to stop a bullet. (Yes, some moron told a friend to shoot the phone book on his chest and paid the ultimate price for that stupidity.)
With respect to ANY handgun which a person carries in a condition that is equivalent to being loaded/cocked with a single-action trigger: a proper holster IS the safety mechanism which prevents the handgun from firing unless the operator removes the handgun from the holster and actuates the trigger.
Note that a proper holster fully covers the trigger to prevent unintended actuation of the trigger and that proper holster stays securely wrapped around that handgun in any environment where you are depending on that holster to be the “safety”.
Perhaps even more relevant: carrying a striker-fired handgun WITH a manual safety (but without a proper holster) floating around in your waistband, pocket, purse, toolbox, etc. is barely any safer than having no safety at all. Why? Because whatever is capable of moving the trigger (e.g. snagging on your clothes) is equally capable of disengaging a manual safety. Once again, the truly safe solution is carrying a handgun in a proper holster, not relying on a manual safety. And this even applies to revolvers carried with the hammer down in double-action mode. Clothing or other objects could still actuate the trigger (although it takes more force) if you fail to carry that revolver in a proper holster.
Caveat: I am referring to modern handguns that have sear blocks and/or transfer bars which virtually guarantee that the handgun cannot discharge unless something actually moves the trigger rearward. This ensures that a significant bump/shock which is great enough to trip the single-action “hair trigger” (and thus actuate the hammer/striker) without moving the trigger will not go bang.
Uncommon your ignoring the full story.
There have been plenty of posts and even newspaper and magazine articles and TV shows that showed people using proper holsters made for a particular gun and still getting shot with Glock type guns. One of the most tragic was the girl who at a competition event holstered her Glock and the trigger caught on part of the holster. The .40 cal bullet then went down the leg annihilating it. She has had many painful operations and she says the Doctor told her she will never fully recover full use of her foot. The point being made is that the Striker fired gun without a manual safety is an accident waiting to happen even with a proper holster. I might add I saw a series of pictures of a guy who holstered his Glock and a fold of the leather holster (made for the gun) caught in the trigger guard and it did not go off right away. As the guy was driving he shifted his weight and the Gun then did go off shooting him the leg as well as blowing a nice big hole in the floor.
And by the way I never said anyone should carry a striker fired gun with a manual safety without a holster.
What I am saying is that in all instances (yes even without a holster) your safer with a gun that has a positive manual safety. And way safer when using a holster “with” a striker fired gun that has a “manual safety”. Even 1911 lovers that carry cocked and locked use the manual safety and do not rely just on the grip safety. Most striker fired pistols don’t have a grip safety either (only a few) That alone should tell you something when comparing the risk of carrying a striker fired pistol compared to other types of pistols that are far safer including also a heavy pull double action pistol.
Again and again and again if you snag a trigger of a striker fired gun with no manual safety, outside the holster, going into the holster, after its in the holster ,handling the gun, dropping the gun etc. etc your playing against the odds. I have seen the striker fire gun at our range go off when in a soft cloth holster as well. Its colored black and is made of soft cloth. They sell for a few bucks on line. I am sure you know which brand I am speaking of. They are ok for more safely designed pistols but not for a striker fired gun without a manual safety. I might add I have a few of those holsters myself but I would never put a striker fired gun in that type of holster even though they fit and the instructions with the holster brag that they will. No fking way.
I could also mention the loud mouth woman who was a gun carry advocate. Nothing wrong with carrying gun if you use your head which she did not. She was driving with her .45 acp striker fired pistol when her toddler in a car seat reached into her holster while she was driving and shot her. Again it would have been way less likely with a gun with a manual safety as the kid would have had to draw the gun and flip off the safety or if it was a heavy double action gun like a Sig p220 pull the trigger all the way through, all of which would have alerted her and gave her more time to realize what was about to happen. With the striker fired gun it went off so fast she did not even have a chance to turn around. And by the way most toddlers would not have had the strength to set off the double action P220.
I might add that last year the same thing happened in a discount store, it may have been a Walmart I cannot remember for sure but in that case the mother was shopping with her toddler in the shopping basket. The toddler reached into her purse and his finger hit the trigger of her striker fired gun and the gun fired and he blew her head off. It happened that fast. She had no chance to even stop him. I ask you , would she have been shot as easily with a 1911 with the hammer down or even cocked and locked or how about a heavy double action only gun that takes about 13 lbs of pressure to set it off. Something highly unlikely that a toddler would have been able to do. With the 1911 cocked and locked the toddler would have had to disengage the manual safety and had hands big enough to disengage the grip safety and still be able to reach the trigger. Again Highly less likely to happen.
I might add the very first Glock I ever held in my hands loaded made me break out in a cold sweat because I was smart enough to realize how this gun works and 30 plus years later I still break out into a cold sweat whenever I handle one.
There is no way around the truth. The Striker fired gun without a manual safety makes it way more likely your someday going to have a serious accident with it. There are just too many variables, too many scenario’s both with and without a holster that stacks the odds against you. Again “Do you fell lucky Bud” you will need all the luck you can get. Its like trying to walk across a windy canyon on a tight rope. Maybe you will make it, and maybe you will not.
ThomasPaine,
Before I say anything, I commend you for looking to experience.
The mom who carried a handgun in her purse, did not control her purse, and left it within reach of her toddler was in the wrong, period. It doesn’t matter whether that handgun had a striker or a hammer, whether it was single-action or double-action, whether the trigger was heavy or light, nor whether it did or did not have a manual safety. Would it have been harder for her toddler to actuate a level 3 retention holster, pull out a 35+ ounce revolver with a 13-pound double-action trigger and make it go bang? Probably. It was still quite possible. More importantly, it would have reduced the mom’s ability to protect herself because it is harder to operate a retention holster and heavy double-action trigger. Saying it another way, a parent must NEVER rely on a firearm’s manual safety or heavy trigger to stop a toddler from discharging that firearm because a parent should NEVER allow their toddler to access the firearm in the first place.
As for the gal at the competition who shot herself in the leg while re-holstering her handgun, that is a black-swan event. It is so rare that it is the only instance that I have ever heard about. Nevertheless, it apparently happened once and it might be wise for people who compete to have a handgun with a manual safety since they are drawing and reholstering dozens of times a day at competitions. For people who simply carry for self-defense, note that their handgun goes into their holster in the morning and comes out at bedtime. I don’t see any meaningful risk of such people snagging their trigger while inserting their handgun in their holster at the start of the day.
Regarding the person whose holster eventually actuated the trigger, that is another black-swan event, the only instance that I have ever heard about. One event out of millions of people armed with handguns who have carried every day for years. In other words a single instance in something like 3 billion person-days of armed carry. One event out of a possible 3 billion events (one person carrying a handgun for a day) is fluke. And, just like other events, that person’s holster could have flicked-off the safety as well. Furthermore, you could also call that an operator fail for failing to inspect and maintain his equipment (allowing his holster to degrade to the point that a leather flap was able to actuate the trigger).
And an inexpensive holster which allows something outside the holster to actuate the trigger while the handgun is inside the holster is not a “proper” holster. Again that is an operator failure.
Now we should also look at the down side to a manual safety. A manual safety could fail and prevent the operator from being able to fire their handgun in a self-defense event. That would be really bad. Or a manual safety could fail a different way and not be able to prevent the handgun from firing. That could be really bad as well. Finally, the operator could fail to disengage a properly functioning manual safety in a self-defense event and be unable to fire that handgun. That would be really bad as well. (The operator could forget to disengage the manual safety or remember the manual safety but their finger slides off without actually disengaging the manual safety.)
Like everything in life, there are trade-offs. A manual safety has potential benefits and potential drawbacks.
People who will handle guns irresponsibly (wearing loose clothing while competing, allowing their children to access their firearms, failing to inspect their holster for wear and failing to replace it, failing to ensure that their clothing stays out of their holster when holstering their handgun, failing to purchase a proper holster), a manual safety reduces the chance (however great or small) of a negligent discharge. That is obviously good. And their manual safety might interfere with their ability to fire their handgun in a real self-defense event. That is obviously bad. Perhaps that is a wise trade-off for such people.
People who handle guns responsibly (wearing tight clothing while competing, carrying on-body so their children cannot access their handgun, replacing holsters before they are worn, making sure that only their handgun goes in their holster, purchasing a proper holster), a negligent discharge will not happen and a manual safety does not reduce harm. And there is no manual safety which can thus never interfere with their ability to fire their handgun in a self-defense event. That is obviously good and a wise trade-off for such people.
A striker-fired handgun without a manual safety is like a rear-wheel drive car with incredible torque at very low engine speeds. Some people cannot drive that car responsibly and skillfully or will have to drive in snow. Those people should not drive it. And some people can drive that car responsibly and skillfully and won’t have to drive in snow. Therefore there is no reason to prevent those people from driving that car. Saying it another way, just because some people cannot drive such a car responsibly and skillfully does not mean that no one should be able to drive that car. Rather, it means that only the people who can drive that car responsibly and skillfully should drive that car.
With a striker fired pistol, a good holster is the safety. There’s no need for a manual safety. Don’t play with it until you really, really need.
Thomas Paine: Totally right man. That’s why GLOCK went out of business.
“Thomas Paine: Totally right man. That’s why GLOCK went out of business.”
And that’s exactly why many police departments said to hell with this unsafe pistol and replaced them with more safely designed pistols. Massad Ayoob admitted that when police departments he studied went to the heavy double action only pistol that tripped off at around 13 lbs with a long , long heavy pull after they ditched the striker fired guns accidents went down not just a little but dramatically. Again the proof is there for all to see if one opens his eyes.
You are obviously an special kind of asshole, but I find it funny that you responded to a post earlier with this “Thanks for your polite reply Reason its rather refreshing on this forum.” and now you post a wall of text calling people idiots and morons.
It’s always ‘Morons’ with Vlad.
Security-9 is hammer fired. No striker.
I may get a LCP Ii for the wife.That’s it for Ruger’s value-priced gats. I don’t see them as better than a Taurus g2c or the new g3. Or cheaper…
Taurus = Brazil. As in not USA made. End of story for me.
Ruger = Prescott, Arizona, as in very much USA made and in a Constitutional Carry State no less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys1gDSMARZs
I think the g2c is US manufacturer but still a new Taurus so……. wait out the beta test.
G2C has been out for a few years. Quite good reviews. 165 bucks after rebate on Black Friday at Point Blank. Oh and I wasn’t aware Brazil was our enemy. THEY’RE moving to Georgia. I bet a lot of you boyz buy caliphate guns Turkey too.
No thank’s on Erdogan’s Caliphate and his turning to align with the Russian Strongman.
Americans should buy American as much as we can. Especially on things where we have so many options, such as firearms.
The LCP II is an excellent pistol, I carry mine daily in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster.
From what I’ve heard, Ruger has a good customer service reputation. I own a Ruger but never had any issues so I haven’t had to deal with them.
Don’t really have a place for this one, and I’m a Ruger fan. Currently I own two Ruger bolt actions, one semi-auto and I’ve given other Ruger’s as gifts over the years.
However …
Personally I’d prefer an external hammer fired pistol with a decoker. I’d like it to be from Ruger, only with the same grip dimensions as my striker fired SR9. No magazine cut-off or one that I can remove myself. DA/SA of course. If it could take SR9 magazines that’d be a big selling point as I’ve about a dozen of them.
I get the advantages of striker fired, but still, an external hammer gun gets me solidly in my nostalgia parts. Which are located some where’s between the Uvula and the credit card slots in my wallet. Not sure where exactly, but it does tend to loosen those credit card slots so things flow better….
Financially speaking I mean.
enuf,
I dream of the very pistol that you described, which I think is one of the CZ-75 variants if I am not mistaken. Unfortunately, no United States firearm manufacturers make such a handgun as far as I know.
And let’s not forget that a nice hammer-fired pistol (with a nice trigger) is so much nicer to shoot than a striker-fired pistol. That alone is a compelling selling point. (Every striker-fired pistol that I have tried so far has a mushy, long, and often gritty trigger that sucks, even after trigger jobs.)
I’ve considered getting one of these. As to edc, I would need to spend time with it. Carrying a firearm is not something to take lightly. The fact that this gun has the word “security” in the name doesn’t mean anything.
I know that people do…
But only a fool would carry a firearm without a holster.
I have zero use for a gun without a thumb safety.
I have negative use for a gun with a magazine interlock. Fixed my hi-power before I even shot it the first time. Don’t remember where I put the parts, don’t actually care to either.
There’s a reason why the vast majority of law enforcement and military organizations carry a pistol without a safety. It’s been shown during high stress training and incidents that people forget to take that safety off. Even on rifles and shotguns too. Example. You enter your house and are startled to find someone armed with a claw hammer that’s burglarizing it and is starting towards you. Do you really think that in a split second and adrenaline dump that you’re going to take the safety off while unholstering your firearm, aiming and shooting to stop the threat? Good luck with that.
Most of them flunked out of elevator school because they couldn’t learn the route too. Really can’t expect them to learn how to use a safety on a firearm.
Interesting comments on both sides of the issue. Some really cranky s.o..b.’s on here.
As per enuf’s above comment (November 27, 2019 at 14:22), I agree with his desire for a 9 or 380 sa/da de-cocker with exposed hammer ala my beloved P97 (45). Ruger would again deprive me of Jameson bucks for awhile.
I own a number of Ruger pistols. I think the brand is a great value for non-gun snobs, plus perfect customer service and the made in USA aspect.
I will give this one a try. I like the dimensions and I’ve had good luck with Ruger, except finish.
The price will have to be low enough the figure in cerakote because most Ruger finishes are about as durable as crayon.
No thumb safety for a carry gun for me thank you.
Everyone talking smack. Let me give you some of my smuckers. If there ain’t no round in the chamber I don’t give a squate striker fired, biker fired charcoal fired, or rubber band fired, squeezed by lil papoose, or jerked by Sasquatch, safety on, safety off, no safety at all, drop kicked, throwed, or hit with a jack hammer, double action, single action, ain’t gonna be no action. Taking the time to rack the slide might give you time to recognize a loved one. If you so slow to draw and rack you worried about the time factor, let me splain, if your attacker already has his shit in his hand you ain’t gonna out draw him /her, if she/hims don’t you might wanna reconsider, do you want to go to jail or maybe just talk your way out of the situation. And if it isn’t letting you look down that big ol cannon tunnel, you might if practiced religiously out draw and rack the perp. In any case you will not be shot by your own gun no matter how careless you are.
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