http://youtu.be/DOlYc-dCKes
I’m sure you know the story by now. A guy jumps the fence in front of the White House and makes it to the front door. The Secret Service (or suchlike) arrest the intruder, who claimed he was just trying to borrow a cup of sugar. [Note: I made that last bit up.] Another nutcase drives up later. He’s arrested too. Never mind that. The first guy, one Omar J. Gonzalez of Copperas Cove, Texas, got the media and All The President’s Men in a lather. How did Omar get so close to “Renegade’s” residence so quickly? In other words, why didn’t someone shoot the loon? What were those sharpshooters on the roof doing? Well, apparently . . .
a former agent told Fox News that if an intruder is not armed, then agents are “not supposed to shoot him.” Huh? How did the agent(s) know that Omar wasn’t armed after his five second sprint to the White House, especially as he ignored commands to stop. What if Sr. Gonzalez had a bomb strapped to his chest? A big bomb?
I reckon that the “we don’t shoot unarmed people” statement is just an excuse for Secret Service incompetence, lack of preparedness and a distinct testicular fortitude deficit. They should have drilled the guy at their first, OK second, chance. IMHO.
They seemed to have no problem gunning down a fleeing mother a few years back.
Yep. Seems like a flip flop to me. Are we for or against the badge toters shooting the unarmed this week? Pick a side and stick with it.
Well said, jwm.
She was black. Draw your own conclusions
no need, i am sure they drew a chalk outline as well.
Clearly because they were Feds and the Dear Leader may have been in danger…
Exactly
I think the Secret Service leaves shooting unarmed civilians to the Capitol Police.
The female who was shot in D.C. (almost a year ago, by the way) had struck a few LEOs with her vehicle. Statically, a motor vehicle is more likely to kill/injure any officer than firearms. I did not see any official report, but she may have been fired upon by the U.S. Capitol Police and not Secret Service. I think the issue is government needed a security “win” to justify their massive multi-billion dollar security complex created around Washington D.C. after 9/11/2001. Too bad it ended up as a “fail”. I speculate that the driver may have simply panicked and then fled the scene of the initial collision. The situation quickly went full retard.
….said the D.C. resident
What? There has to be a reasonable perception of danger. I seriously doubt that the lawn was the only defensive measure between the intruder and the president.
I am fairly sure that the most immediate physical danger to our current president is the occasional stray golf ball.
That was nasty. (LUVIT!!)
You’d be amazed what a good set of thermal viewers can show you. And if anyone in the world has the best optics, and people well trained in using them, it’s the presidential security detail.
They’re now reporting the guy made it INSIDE the door of the White House, the Presidential residence, no less!
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.
This is the same Secret Service that had the agent who tried to stiff a hooker for her ‘Personal Services’ down in South America a short while back. (After he stiffed her, I assume…)
“Has anyone told the Stiffy Joke yet?”
In the reports I read they said the president had left with his daughters a few minutes earlier from the lawn opposite of where the intruder came from. I imagine if he was still there we would be cleaning brains up off the fence and the media would be working on their story how the man just wanted to have beer with Obama or something.
That is my assumption (and hope!) as well. There is no excuse for killing someone for walking on publicly owned property. OTOH, if the president is present, I would hope any unauthorized intrusion would be treated as an attack on him, and should not be allowed to get close enough to touch any part of the building.
FINALLY! A boarder fence the feds will secure. For an administration who doubts the effectiveness of fences they sure like the one around the White House.
Bwahahahah
was there coffee and donuts in the tea garden?… just asking ….and as I said before a fence is not security…. never was or will be…….
Yep. A fence is used to tell people that you do not want them crossing that line. It doesn’t actually keep them out, though.
At my house, I have a couple large dogs to deal with anyone who climbs the fence. The White House keeps their real security inside their fence also.
I have to think that the Secret Service probably have more than mere guns watching the grounds at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. IR and Low light cameras, Millimeter band passive backscatter cameras (deep IR cameras that don’t see your clothes), RF scanners, and every other widget that you can park on a convenient rooftop.
In other words, it’s likely that the Secret Service COULD tell that the man in question was not armed, and could communicate that to the agents on the ground the moment he scaled the fence.
Second, for a Personal Security Detail to NOT shoot someone who steps out of line like that is not a sign of “distinct testicular fortitude deficit” … in fact, it’s quite the opposite. It shows a willingness to put their own lives on the line rather than shooting first and sticking the questioners under Gitmo. It shows an awareness of the political realities with which they work, and some consideration for the unwitting crowd that they would invariably be using as a backstop if they opened fire… or did we forget our 4th weapon safety rule?
Yes right and we can land on the moon tomorrow
And If he was wired with C4 under his shirt would they know that …. Was this a TEST RUN. and by WHO….America is in the Bible as the LAND OF UNWALLED CITIES and NEVER makes it to END TIMES… check it out…
Yeah…. Because every other “land” has walls around it’s cities, right?
Also, there’s a reason that everyone laughs anytime someone mentions “the end days/time/times/of the world”. We all laugh because it makes you sound crazy.
3-5 thousand year old middle eastern mythology is no basis for an understanding of the modern world.
Those “myths” have been pretty accurate so far… Recreation of Israel, wars on global scale.
Thanks for “sharing” . Tell us. Do you believe in 1500 year old crackpot cults? The Muhammandans certainly believe in you.
And what do you believe, that your post – big – bang ancestors were bacteria, that there’s no absolute right or wrong, and that you’re just an evolutionary accident?
No wonder you’re so contemptuous and cynical. Your life has no value.
@Hack
I’m agnostic and my life is plenty meaningful. The fact that I exist as a being capable of comprehension despite all the odds is profound. Even moreso, I can find my own meaning in life. The power to define oneself should not be underestimated.
I’m also not a moral relativist. I don’t need the dictates of some inscrutable supernatural being to be able to tell right from wrong. Ethical principles arise naturally and beautifully from simple logic in much the same way the physical laws do.
5000 years ago, a “global war” was not predicted, since nobody had any idea the world was a globe. And all that wonderful magic has not helped anyone, ever. Is the design for a cell phone, or a V-8 engine in there anywhere? Silliness.
Wrong again on all counts , the Bible says the earth was a round globe and we will have a global world war. and many other items that the collage dead heads will only see after the fact….Thanks to our public UN EDUCATION Amerika (in their wisdom they became FOOLS),this is the VERY REASON AMERIKA will NOT , and I say NOT LAST much longer .. PROOF way do we keep DOING every thing WRONG …and think GOD is NOT mocked …God will have the LAST laugh ………..REPENT and make things RIGHT…..
The Bible? This is what happens when we’re 43rd in education…
The OT/NT “Bible” is an assemblage of various writings, selected, edited, and translated by various groups, over various centuries, for various purposes. Depending on the “church”, there are between mid 60s and mid 80s books in the OT/NT collection they call “The” Bible.
Even the most “inclusive” of the edits leave tons of similar “Christian” writings on the cutting-room floor -Enoch, Barnabus, Dialogue of the Saviour, Gospel of Thomas, Phillip, Truth, the Egyptians, and about 20 more that I’m forgetting at the moment. They’ve all been “the word of God” at some time, but apparently “god” changed his mind.
Like all mythology, origins of religions are interesting stuff. Judeo-Christianity is the most successful distillation of Mazdaism to survive to this day. Likely because it incorporated popular myths from other religions like virgin birth, god sending a son, born of a mortal woman (I think half a dozen “pagans” had that one) having him die for our sins, 3 wise men, guiding stars, raised from the dead, eternal life, the whole kit and caboodle is lifted from prior art.
Believe whatever you want, but the most fun I ever had in Catholic school was having conversations about this stuff with the staff. If it was late enough and you got them drunk enough, they’d cop to religion being an opiate for the masses, and a means for those in power to manage them. This was all peachy when the RCC ran the show in Europe, now that they aren’t in charge, they’re getting more pragmatic.
I sometimes do not know what to say. Many very smart people are so blinded by their desire for an idol to worship, be it themselves, their lifestyle, their stuff, their own power over their lives, that they cannot accept God. Instead they tell tall tales about Catholic School, make uninformed statements about writing not included in the Bible, tell me the wonders of “moral relativism” (isn’t that doing whatever you want as long as you rationalize it to yourself…that must be a tough appeal process) or, my personal favorite, tell me how much of the bible they have read (as if merely reading, but not trying to understand, the bible somehow qualifies you as a scholar). Meanwhile, if you are humble enough to follow God, to have a personal relationship with Jesus, and not make idols out of your lifestyle, your stuff, or your own self, you could find true joy in life. I pray to God that you do.
I do know what to say, so I’ll be happy to say it.
So you have no idea how many versions of “The” Bible there are? You are so ignorant of that which you espouse, that you don’t know it’s historically verifiable origins? You can’t be bothered to learn of all the edited material? That you have no idea what’s in the NT (let alone the OT) and yet you cherry-pick your way to some nonsensical message of ‘love and peace’? Have you ever consulted a book written by a historian? Have you done 10 minutes of research? Or do you simply suckle the nonsense you’re fed?
Jesus the miracle worker, crowd assembler, fighter of Temple Elders, and all that had nothing written about him till 75 years (earliest Apostle) after his death. Amazing this cat didn’t make the news, huh? No “apostles” writing while he was going all bad mofo on da man, huh? Plenty of contemporary historians would have been all over this story, had it happened.
So, I guess being a good Christian and following that “morality” you’re busy killing gays, idolators, and all that? Yes?
See Jesus ‘said’ half a dozen times in the NT that the OT laws are to be followed till the end of time and the rapture/whatever…
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19)
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
So I guess you’re sacrificing your kids to some deity…
“Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.” (Genesis 22:1-18)
Burning the towns of the nonbelievers…
“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The Lord your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the Lord your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the Lord your God has given you.
Selling your daughter as a sex slave…
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)
Forcing rape victims to marry their attacker…
(Deuteronomy 22:28-29) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Killing those who don’t obey priests…
“Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. ” (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Killing homosexuals…
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)
Killing adulterers….
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
Killing all those who don’t believe in your “god”….
“They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. ” (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Killing those who work on “the sabbath”…
The Lord then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the Lord, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15)
I can do this all day, because I actually know “The Bible”, what’s in it, and where it was cribbed from. Unlike 99.99% of it’s “believers”.
Imagine a team of 20 ISIL goons wired to blow simultaneously hopping the fence and rushing the place.
AND THE COULDN’T TELL A MOTHER AND HER BABY WERE UNARMED AND HAD TO KILL HER?
They have backscatter technology that works at such distances, while the target is moving, and while limbs block other body parts? Then why must we stand still for five seconds, jumping jack style, at the airports, for the device to revolve around us to do its thing?
I don’t doubt that these folks have plenty of technology, of whatever type, but overall, this just sounds like they dropped the ball. Yet another shining moment from the folks who get drunk on station, whore around, let publicity suck hounds crash White House galas, and leave guns behind in restrooms on Air Force One. Pure disgrace.
Yeah, and if they had shot him, you would have been denouncing the “over-zealous use of deadly force against a patriotic Texan attempting to quick-deliver a(n alleged) bouquet of posies to the President.”
No one can win with you.
He would have been up in arms about the snow-camo sniper on the roof shooting an unarmed person, militarized police, etc. You are right; there is no winning with him…
What if Sr. Gonzalez had a bomb strapped to his chest? A big bomb?
Then Buckshot Biden would be POTUS and the whole country would be even more fvcked than it is now.
Shotgun Joe as VP – better protection than a level 69 vest and a regiment of Fed SWAT teams.
Anyone heard of an actual attempt on Obuma? What other President (so despised by his subjects) has not had multiple attempts on his life by this point in a failed administration. I’m sure the Secret Service takes credit but really. Thanks Joe.
Shotgun Joe really is Obozo’s best protection.
I used to think the same way, but now I’m not sure even Biden could Fvck it up any worse. He might even accidentally swerve into something good.
“President Barack Obama and his daughters had just left the White House by helicopter on Friday evening when the Secret Service says 42-year-old Omar J. Gonzalez scaled the fence, darting across the lawn and through the unlocked North Portico doors before officers finally tackled him.”
Where was shot gun Joe shooting through the door when we needed him?
I was watching Judge Jeanine on Fox News last night, and she had some former CIA/Intelligence guy that said according to his sources, ISIS has “tens” of people in Boston already. I know that doesn’t sound like a lot, but where else are these people? Terrorism doesn’t have to be on a mass scale – think of the Nigerian Mall incident happening at 15-20 malls throughout the US simultaneously. Stuff like that can have an impact on the psyche.
Probably at Mall Of America in Minneapolis.
Don’t know how small they are making nukes now, used to be “suitcase” size. Just saying.
This US backpack nuke weighs 51 lbs (23 kg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke
(And has a variable yield, up to 6 kt, AKA “Dial-a-yield”)
Does it really matter? How close does a suitcase nu ke need to be? Thinking outside the fence would be the same as inside, as far as something like this would go. Glad noone was injured.
While I don’t know, I suspect 5kt would flatten the WH from outside the fence.
Exactly. If we “what if” enough they can start executing people walking down the block.
Can we save this for future reference? Maybe get a clear list of “we.”
Maybe they didn’t really care since the president isn’t really in charge of anything. Do you actually think Obama, Bush and Clinton called the shots on anything? They are bought off Teleprompter-readers.
Yeah, but then Shotgun Joe becomes POTUS. Cringe.
I saw the pic with the guy with the mp5…I thought Obama said those weapons belong on a foreign battlefield…not on our streets….
So when it’s protecting your family it’s OK, but with my family I’m supposed to be reduced to a musket and cheap insults?
Heck with that. My family is worth more than the Obamas a million times over. I don’t expect him to agree…but don’t say I shouldn’t own something that is being used to protect your family. He’s a loud hypocrite.
Very well said.
Guns for me, but none for thee.
I appreciate the sentiment but seriously. I highly doubt that there are entire international and domestic organizations who’s sole existence is based on a hatred of you and a desire to see you and your family dead. When I say you I mean you specifically I understand that more broadly the Islamic militants would like to see all of us dead not just POTUS. But seriously, come off of the “the president gets an armored car and armed motorcade to take his daughters to school, why can’t I have a minigun for home defense does he think he is more specialer than me?”
Is his family more important than yours? NO but is his family more likely to be attacked by bad people? Yes and those people are more likely to be people who are heavily armed.
That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that it is far more likely that someone else will be attacked in this country than that the WH will. Someone else is attacked several times a day. Why should they not be able to defend themselves?
Your points are valid as the odds of the Obamas being attacked are greater than my family…but it is certainly not impossible. A President hasn’t been assassinated in over half a century, but we protect them as if it could happen at any second. I understand this to a point. We can’t forget that he is just filling a role and should something happen to him, we have a VP and some 500+ others in succession to him should something occur to the President.
That point aside, there IS the chance of SOMETHING happening to my family. Is it ISIS with our names? Very unlikely. But all it takes is one more bad guy than I have bullets for. I don’t have a security force protecting us. It starts and ends with me. If I fail, my family falls. NO ONE should have the right to tell me what I can and can’t use to protect my family…
Maybe the Secret Service WANTS people to get in with a weapon.
Kevin… most insightful (and humorous) comment of the day.
Evidently They pretty easy on Some Hell, TCNIC, has proven for 6years a Foriegner can control the hole White House and Turn A Nation To Shit Walking hand n hand with them. Actually I’m Proud Of The SS and Capitol Police they keep some of the greatest scourge Safe along With a Few Good Ones Year in n out that’s a job well done with little recognition truly. It will be interesting to see as the Peoples Drums of War are going From a rumble to a pound if we don’t end up with more Nut jobs trying to change the path of a select few. I have a feeling personally CNIC is going to have these good men and women earning there pay more and more. I’ve never seen so much discourse in so many of our vets and enlisted along with so many non Liberal Americans. Let’s Pray its fixed as in a bunch of these guys voted out not fixed as in obamas presidency. We need all the help we can get just not in new illegal voters to turn this around
Well, the White House can be a hole, I suppose.
Well, if they don’t shoot unarmed people, they can’t be real cops. I wonder how they feel about stray dogs wandering onto the White House lawn.
Get the Border Collie! Shoot it with a belt fed machinegun!
Ah… but, he WAS armed…
But Gonzalez had a small folding knife with a 3 ½-inch serrated blade at the time of the arrest and faces a weapons charge, according to a criminal complaint issued late Friday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/20/white-house-arrest_n_5855202.html
He was expected to appear in federal court Monday to face charges of unlawfully entering a restricted building or grounds while carrying a deadly or dangerous weapon.
To be fair, how many of us wouldn’t be found with the same item on our person if we rushed onto someone else’s property? Especially vets? Most non-vets I know carry smallish folding blades for utility purposes.
But I will say that it does demonstrate that they are not able to spot any weapon with any of the tech they have. Buuuuuuut I’m guessing by the time someone could start to access such an easily concealable device that the highly trained security forces could probably react.
All told, I’m glad the guy wasn’t shot. He didn’t have any intention of hurting anyone, and was clearly troubled by what he lost serving our country. Before you guys complain about him not being shot, remember this guy did 3 tours in Iraq.
So apparently the Secret Service is less gung go about shooting people than your average SWAT team?
I can’t drill someone for running across my front lawn, and neither can the king. Well, in a perfect world anyway.
The agent involved showed that he was able to assess the situation very quickly, make a major decision very quickly and did one hell of a job. Instead of questioning his decision, he should be held up as an example of what more people should be like.
I, for one, am glad they exercised restraint.
You have got to be kidding. This guy got in the front door. That’s not restraint.
^^This
Obama wasn’t there, read the whole article. I’ll take a wild guess that the ss knew that and responded accordingly by avoiding needlessly splattering this guys brains all over the lawn.
Who are you kidding? This is just another example to the world that the US has incompetent leadership that is unable to control an insignificant individual capable of doing significant damage. It steels the Mexican cartels, ISIS and Russia to continue aggression. Any bullshit rationalization makes us appear as dumb as we appear weak.
Good thing that wasn’t a zombie, or they would all be a bunch of walking dead.
I think they already are zombies.
For a blog that jumps every LEO-shooting on unarmed persons as an example of low standards of professionalism, training, and accountability, I would’ve thought that the extreme restrain shown by the Secret Service presidential protection detail in these two “fence-jumper” incidents would have made you proud. Not only did they not “drill” the guys at the first available opportunity, they took a considerable risk, heavily armed as they are, in taking them in alive and relatively unharmed. We will never truly know what tools the Secret Service have available to them to help them determine whether persons are armed or not when climbing that fence to get to the other side, but given that they are charged with protecting the POTUS I would personally be embarrassed if they didn’t have SOME form of infrared or X-ray/backscatter technology watching that fence 24/7. And the front door of the White House is hardly the last line of the Secret Service’s defense plan–that might be merely the line at which the rule of shooting unarmed intruders is no longer observed. We don’t know that for sure, because in these modern times no one has gotten past that front door thanks largely to the efforts of the agents outside.
The Secret Service here did exactly what you wish all the other LEOs you vilify would do–identify their suspect/target, determine the validity of the threat, and respond with the appropriate force. And you bash them on an internet blog for not “drilling the guy at their first, OK, second chance”, and call their policy of not shooting unarmed intruders an excuse for “incompetence, lack of preparedness and a distinct testicular fortitude deficit”? Did I wake up in some alternate Twilight Zone America?
Welcome to RF’s I dislike people with a badge no matter what they do world. If they had opened fire, we would have never read the end of the complaining about the evil trigger happy secret service. You will learn to ignore these articles after a while.
My brother is a security guard at Wallmart. Okay, he didn’t go to college so he has to do what he can to feed his family. He doesn’t want to hurt anyone and he does’t even own a gun. Why do you hate on him?
I was being sarcastic about the site’s attitude. I meant the site has a chip on it’s shoulder about people in uniform not me personally
Nuff said I stand down. Be well my friend.
No PT, you’re right here on earth. Unfortunately there are those on this site who just like to do the rabid dog thing and attack whatever is in front of them. The really unfortunate thing is the perception it creates among new readers or those who are just becoming acquainted with firearms culture and norms.
This is a great blog site and a fantastic opportunity to express the positive attributes of firearms carriage and ownership. Those are the reasons I continue reading and contributing. This notwithstanding the fact that I have recently been called an uneducated Chinaman Troll, of which I am neither.
I’m inclined to agree. When the author is equally outraged at both opposing outcomes of a given situation, it makes me think that maybe he’s more interested in the outrage than the outcome.
I’d bet one of their main “tools” is the first guy on scene. If he’s shot, the SHTF.
I think the issue was that the guy wasn’t TACKLED earlier, not that he wasn’t shot at all. I’m pretty surprised they didn’t have someone who could reach the guy quicker. Maybe that’s just my utter ignorance of the job at hand, but I’d at least hope they could have a tight enough perimeter that even non-violent trespassers could be stopped.
I think you are giving the SS a lot of credit and a huge benefit of the doubt. They got very lucky. The VSP disarmed him after a 20 mile chase a while ago and he didn’t have any hardware, only bullets and some cutlery. There better not be a next time, President Joseph R. Biden chills me to the bone.
I’m guessing that the fact the President was not currently at the White House probably caused more stringent ROE’s to be in effect.
Happens more often than you think. If they shot every intruder they would have to build a medical examiners office on campus.
There may be one or two security precautions you’re not aware of, like man eating lions or allegaters.
They didn’t shot him because he isn’t an intruder. He is an Undocumented President just doing a job an American isn’t.
So it’s better to shoot them on sight? What is this, the Berlin wall?
Had they shot this dude, you’d be bitching and moaning about police state, militarization, etc.
The Secret Service is charged to protect the Presidency. He wasn’t there, so why shoot the guy? A show of force maybe? Draw and quarter him, then display the body along the fence line? No, you’ve lost touch.
I’d be OK with dropping him on the WH lawn. He wasn’t sleeping at home with his dog in a kennel when they came for the overdue library books.
Lots of people jump the white house fence. It’s not that huge of a deal, in and of itself…
I am surprised no one on this thread has mentioned his “reasons” for jumping the fence:
“Gonzalez told a Secret Service agent “that he was concerned that the atmosphere was collapsing and needed to get the information to the President of the United States so that he could get the word out to the people,” the affidavit read.”
Time to break out the heavy-duty atmospheric braces.
It’s stuff like this that makes me doubt the domestic terrorist threat thing. This guy could have blew up half the building if he wanted. We live in a world of “real security” and “percieved security”. Obviously you can’t protect someone 100% of the time so you make it look impossible to discorouge the would be attention seekers. If our enemies of the world wish to see us destroyed they’re not trying very hard.
Did you know that in the 1800s and I believe even the early 1900s anyone could enter the White House and just hang out. It was the peoples house. How times have changed.
There was 1 policeman gaurding Lincoln’s back at the Ford theater. And he went for a beer at the wrong moment. Yes, things have changed. And with some reason.
Sure, blast him. And get roasted in the Media. Again. Still. Great plan.
I think the media is just upset because they wanted viral video of pink mist on the white house lawn so they could make money off of showing it over and over for 3 weeks.
I know the secret service has a lot of imaging technology, including millimeter-wave and I’m sure they could see the guy was just a guy before he even jumped the fence. I bet they have a hardened area inside of that door and if someone develops as a problem they can shoot them out of view of the public. Also, they’re not going to explain their capability and methods to a bunch of conjecturing punk reporters and grandstanding congresspeople.
I’m thinking none of the SS agents had any bullets in their guns. Another idea is they needed to check with the Justice department and their bosses before doing much.
If they can’t secure the White House we’re basically screwed. 2 people in 2 days. It’s only a matter of time…..
The SS is incompetent. I wouldnt let them guard my pet turtle. We pay these guys for what? Maybe if they didn’t load there guns w KY jelly maybe they could do there job? They all need to be fired along w all the agencies that trained them. One got out run, one got.beat up all of them got burned. Not one did anything until their ham sandwich was in jeopardy.
Turns out this asshole got far into the first floor of the White house. Near the elevator that goes to the preidents level. So these tools are even WORSE than we thought. We’re screwed if they can’t keep people out of the first floor.
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