Elections have consequences, a term all too familiar in today’s polarized political landscape. The stakes have never been higher for conservatives and law-abiding gun owners as we weather attack after attack on liberty and the ability to take personal responsibility for our safety and that of our loved ones. With the gravity of the matter at hand and the significance of ramifications should we fail, we must ask if we are truly doing our part to secure a brighter future for tomorrow.
George Allen Urmston, CEO of Battle Tested Equipment (BTE), an Arizona-based defense, commercial and OEM manufacturer of armored vehicles, firearms, parts and accessories asked himself this question and responded by creating Shoot The Vote, an organization dedicated to urging hunters, shooters and everyday gun owners to get registered and vote to protect the Second Amendment. Teaming up with American Majority Action, the organization provides resources that make the process easier than ever, from registration and absentee materials to ballot tracking and getting involved to ensure others do the same.
In The Beginning
Urmston’s efforts to educate and get involved began before his inception of Shoot The Vote. Speaking with him, I get the impression that they took root long before. In addition to BTE, he owns the North Phoenix store, Cave Creek Guns, where during the 2020 Covid pandemic he experienced the industry-wide influx of new shooters and gun owners flocking to make their first firearms purchases. Urmston used this opportunity to educate customers about their Second Amendment rights, provided them with voter registration materials and even scheduled an instructor to teach firearm safety to new gun owners at no extra cost to them.
D–Day
Fast forward to the 80th anniversary of D-Day, June 6, 2024. Urmston, a longtime Trump family friend, was speaking with the 45th President when it was brought to his attention that a great number of hunters and gun owners simply don’t vote. Many are not even registered. Shocking as this might sound, Urmston did his research and discovered yet again that the former president knows what he is talking about. Based on his research, Urmston uncovered a number of states in which hunters and gun owners were, by their own hand, not being represented at the ballot box.
Speaking with Urmston, he cited the following states, and the number of hunters and gun owners not even registered to vote.
Arizona: 133,000
Georgia: 351,000
Michigan: 371,000
Missouri: 282,000
Montana: 52,000
Nevada: 60,000
North Carolina: 370,000
Pennsylvania: 515,000
Virginia: 277,000
Wisconson: 339,000
In his home state of Arizona, Urmston discovered unsettling statistics that further cemented his commitment to get more involved. In 2020, there were 130,000 more Republicans registered to vote in the state than Democrats, a number that should have swayed election results despite certain “voting irregularities.” Urmston also found that over 350,000 registered Republicans did not vote in the state’s 2022 midterm elections, many of them hunters and gun owners, accounting for approximately 30% of the 1.1 million absentee ballots sent out in Maricopa County
In light of the numbers, it is natural to ask, “why?” The answer, however, is about what you would expect in this climate, with conservatives overwhelmingly citing a lack of trust in the government and an underlying feeling that their votes don’t count. It is no secret that many Americans question the integrity of elections these days, and certainly, events and “irregularities” have taken place that would give rise to such thoughts and concerns.
The Response
In response to this, Shoot the Vote has organized resources and materials aimed at making an impact by means of sheer numbers, with the intent to drive broad-based pro-2A victories. Their website, shootthevote.org states, “A large portion of those who didn’t vote are gun owners, hunters, shooters. Don’t just cry about them coming for our Second Amendment. Do something about it.”
Shortly after the July 13th assassination attempt on former President and current Republican Presidential Nominee Donald J. Trump, Breitbart News reported Trump’s comments, stating that the assassination attempt against him did not alter his conviction when it comes to the Second Amendment. Trump has observed that Americans use guns for hunting and sporting purposes, but stressed the main reason people need guns is “for protection.” This sentiment was echoed by Urmston who conveyed that his personal conversations with President Trump indicated an invigorated re-commitment to the Second Amendment, one that we should expect to see play out in his next term, should Trump and gun owners prevail.
In our conversation, Urmston makes clear that a motto he lives by is “Esse quam videri,” a Latin term meaning “To be, rather than to seem,” which strikes me as appropriate as I learn more about his efforts and motivations. His disposition embodies the spirit of the faithful and patriotic American working hard to make a difference for future generations. With deep respect for the sacrifices made for this country, Urmston’s shootthevote.org states, “Your Grandfather didn’t sleep in a foxhole in a far away land clutching a picture of your Grandmother so you would surrender your guns.” I know he is right about this, and I also know that we can do more to educate and motivate Americans from all walks of life to embrace the freedoms that made this country great and will make it great again. Perhaps Urmston said it best, “Together we can make the 2024 election too big to rig.”
TRUMP/VANCE 2024.
what, no mealy-mouthed, history proven, bigoted azzhat diatribes?
… you’re happy just to be first to post? congratulations then, deb.
Only your own mealy-mouthed, history proven, bigoted azzhat diatribe, it appears.
Paul, you must be new here.
In Deb’s favorite screech,
GFY
I’ll 2nd Unicorn, so no Paul not only him.
“Too big to rig”
TRUMP/VANCE 2024
This one needs to be an absolute blowout for both Trump/Vance AND all down ballot races, particularly the House and Senate to put Marxist Democrats in their place. Registering a lot of new hunters and gun owners should convince Republicans they are on the right side of we the people too! Frankly, I have been a gun owner for over 60 years and have voted in every election where I was eligible and have had no problems. During this time I have seen my state turn from blue to deep red.
It goes way beyond “hunter’s(fudds?)& gun oners”. Even in ILLannoy republicans could win statewide if they bothered to vote. But they don’t. It will be interesting if the number’s of R votes goes up. Black folks in Chee-ca-go have gotten royally screwed by the ruling class lately what with illegals getting preference & the heavy handed enforcement on the Westside Dim convention. A sea change? If they steal this election all he!! is going to break loose! Even in Chiraq debbie downer🙄
Proves an observation I made decades ago. The elites and their lackeys don’t trust their own people. It’s why they give preferential treatment to those who are not from where they came from, in the names of fairness and equity.
if you are a gun owner, 2A supporter and you vote democrat then you deserve what you get.
“Too big to rig”
TRUMP/VANCE 2024
The past week I’ve been surrounded by geriatrics that I can sum up as:
-be pro gun
-be anti war
-be pro American industry
-be pro family
-be skeptical of the EV push and fuel restrictions
Still voting for Harris because ??????.
I don’t get it. I really don’t get how they can spent half an hour complaining about all the things she and the Democrats at large are doing and plan to do then say they’re still voting for them. This is the sort of nihilist acceleration stuff I’d expect to see on 4chan not at the senior center during their exercise time.
It’s a lot like a woman who is abused by her husband/partner and still goes back for more. It’s all they know and change is more terrifying than taking the beating they are getting. Besides they believe if they just stay around long enough and try harder things will get better. I’ve witnessed the behavior more times than I care to mention and democrats are no different.
“Still voting for Harris because ??????”
Fear of rednecks? Or being seen as a redneck? AKA as “screw you, Daddy”…
A lot of the old people still think they’re voting for JFK when they vote democrat. They paid attention to the world up to their twenties. Had kids and stopped paying attention. Now that they’re in their 60’s, 70’s and older they think they can just pick up where they left off and nothing is any different than it was fifty years ago.
“-be skeptical of the EV push and fuel restrictions”.
And skeptical they should be. Bidens plan is pure BS and a fraud. In a speech he touted that the multiple billions of dollars in his plan has built around a half million charging stations. Well, people have gone looking behind the scenes and found out that only seven have been ‘supposedly’ built with those funds but it turns out they weren’t.
What happened was these already existed before Bidens plan, then when these funds became available under Bidens plan the companies that built these applied for and got millions in these funds funds and put up a few bollard barricades around their already existing charging stations and the government counted that as ‘building a charging station’.
Plus no one seems to know where the money went that supposedly built “around a half million charging stations” that do not exist.
@Shire-man
I know people like that. They’re partisan Democrats. They decided decades ago that this team is good, and the other team is bad. They also believe the propaganda. I’ve said it before. Pravda would be jealous of our propaganda apparatus. Sure, only old people still watch tv. Everyone else uses Big Tech to get their news. Guess who controls that except for X? There’s a reason they’re pissed at Elon.
I mentioned the border/immigration disaster to them. They said it’s Trump’s fault because he told people not to vote for the border bill! There’s a reason they pump out their message 24/7. Many people believe it!
If you don’t vote, you WILL get the government you deserve. So don’t complain about the result.
Shame their aren’t any independent candidates to give a third option.
I have to ask, for those people who still believe the lies about the election being stolen, is there any result you will accept other than a Trump victory?
It sickens me seeing how far our democracy has fallen that this nonsense has any traction.
Seriously, if the election was stolen, then Trump is incompetent because he failed to prevent it, and none of his appointed judges would give his argument the time of day. Also, everyone who supposedly believes in the 2A are cowards who refuse to pick up their guns to defend the Republic.
Or, Trump is a liar and a sore loser.
Even Trump’s own Attorney General, cyber security Director, and the experts the Trump campaign hired all said the election was not stolen.
It seems some folks just can’t grasp the fact Donald Trump has never won a popular vote, except for the ‘vote’ in the jury box…
Y’all are so verbose.
The above posts can be rephrased as: “The victims could not prove it in court, and Orange Man Bad.”
Yep, Al Capone was an outstanding citizen other than tax evasion.
Miner logic: Trump’s “own” FBI claimed he was colluding with Russia, therefore it has to be true.
and it turns out his ‘own’ FBI was lying about that too, ya know, gotta please the democrats.
This has already been exposed as a lie, yet Miner49 obviously not being able to tell the difference between the truth and a lie believes it.
Miner signs in as Shawn then they fellate each other. Yes Miner I know that hardly makes sense until you understand I am telling you to GFY.
“Miner signs in as Shawn then they fellate each other“
Going for that same sex erotic insult again, you just can’t get that stuff out of your mind can you…
That’s weird.
What’s weird is you didn’t deny it and no…it’s pretty disturbing.
Deny what?
These same sex delusions of yours perhaps may indicate a deeper psychosis that you really should address.
No, MajorLiar, WE don’t have a problem with somebody else’s kink. “We” don’t agree with it, nor do we necessarily think it is “right”, but . . . ‘not my circus, not my monkey’. I don’t give a wet fart if you and dacian and jsled want to have a circle jerk, or fellate each other. Your kink; your space.
We DO have a problem with having people like you tell us that we don’t have to simply “tolerate” it (what, you have evidence of large numbers of rednecks and evangelicals burning queers at the stake???), but we have to ‘celebrate’ it (Pride Week being only the most egregious example).
You are an idiot, MajorMistake, so I suppose your idiocy can be overlooked . . . you can’t help being stupid. For the rest of us, the distinction between “It’s not my business what you do in your bedroom . . . just keep it in your bedroom” and “don’t invite my KIDS to a parade where a bunch of deranged perverts are going to dress in kinky clothes and dance suggestively and even (in some cases, don’t even TRY to deny it) perform simulated or even ACTUAL sex acts in public.
I know the difference is too “subtle” for someone as poorly mentally gifted as you, but the rest of us understand it quite well. You’re welcome, numbnuts.
I take it you have no actual response to my argument, so you decided to go the conspiratorial route. You know, just like your dear leader.
It’s a shame that the only argument you can present in his favor paints him as utterly incompetent.
Hey Shaun, where were you after Trump won, and the Dems were saying that he was an illegitimate president because the election was stolen by Putin? You’re just another commiebot trying to provoke a violent reaction.
“the Dems were saying that he was an illegitimate president because the election was stolen“
False equivalence.
Hillary Clinton conceded the election the next day, Donald Trump has never conceded.
“Clinton concedes to Trump: ‘We owe him an open mind’
Hillary Clinton officially conceded the presidential election to Donald Trump, imploring her supporters to follow him as their 45th president.
Hillary Clinton officially conceded the presidential election to Donald Trump, imploring her supporters to follow him as their 45th president. | Getty
By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL
11/09/2016 11:56 AM EST
Updated: 11/09/2016 12:58 PM EST
Hillary Clinton delivered an emotional address Wednesday, channeling a devastating loss to encourage her supporters to give President-elect Donald Trump a chance to lead and to inspire them to never give up in what likely marked the sunset of her political career.
Clinton privately conceded the election to Trump in a phone call early Wednesday morning but held off formally doing so before the thousands of supporters who were gathered inside the glass-ceiling Jacob K. Javits Convention Center awaiting election results in the wee hours into Wednesday.“
In 2016 the Democrats did not engineer a ‘fake elector’ scheme to overthrow the government or encourage their supporters to make an assault on the United States Capitol during a joint session of Congress certifying our presidential election under the rules of the United States Constitution.
“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild.”
Then Hillary spent the next four years claiming that the election was stolen from her, and that Trump was a Putin puppet. That isn’t false equivalence. That’s a fact. She wasn’t the only one doing it. See for yourself. Is your memory that short, or is it that selective, Shaun?
Miner49er is a dumb as a rock.
He thinks hes making all these great points but is blinded to the false in his own thinking and statements. Typical radical extremist left winger.
@Miner49er
“Hillary Clinton officially conceded the presidential election to Donald Trump, imploring her supporters to follow him as their 45th president.”
See, even Democrat Hillary had some common sense and not TDS and supported Trump – unlike you.
She concedes the election then goes on the Spew, MSLSD, CalamityNewsNetwork, AllBsComms, CeeBS, and all the rest of the Dem Pravda Networks and says the election was stolen. Fuck You Miner, if you were serious you might have an audience but you are just a partisan polemic bitch.
Sure, Hillary bitched, who wouldn’t after losing the presidential election. Trump whines all the time about the littlest things so what’s the big deal?
The false equivalence is attempting to equate Hillary’s occasional whining with Donald Trump‘s extensive conspiracies to overthrow our government. He and his co-conspirators organized their fake elector scheme, and crossed state lines, made false statements in court rooms and legislatures, all in the service of their attempted overthrow of our government.
Miner49er,
“all in the service of their attempted overthrow of our government.”
100% lie
You obviously have not seen the below yet. Our country is being overthrown by Biden, Harris, and the Democrat party and you are doing your part too traitor. I know its too long fore your flea sized attention span, but try and ya might get a clue about what your beloved marx – ist – soc- a- list communist democrats have been doing to not only all Americans but you too. Yes, I know its too long for your flea like attention span but try.
How sad for you.
MAGA is so proud, now in addition to kid rock and Ted Nugent, they can bask in the endorsement of an unfortunate individual who has admitted a worm ate part of his brain. Bravo
You ignore the actual fact of Donald Trump‘s fake elector conspiracy, an unlawful attempt to subvert the election. And you’ve forgotten trumps attempts to intimidate and force Vice President Pence to violate the Constitution by not certifying the states electoral ballots.
Trump’s January 6 insurrection was his plan B, he sent out his ‘will be wild’ tweet after the White House meeting where homeland security said no, we are not going to use the military to unlawfully seize ballot boxes.
Trump is a fraud, and the election was not stolen. You all know the facts, but you keep up your lies and rumors in a pathetic attempt to subvert the constitution.
The fact is, there’s no merit to any of your claims, as has been proven by multiple investigations, as well as in court.
Your blathering rants will make no difference, the wheels of justice are grinding and with the 34 count felony conviction we’ve made great progress thus far.
“Hillary’s occasional whining”
Watch the video, hypocrite. She whined about it every time she got in front of a camera for the next four years, as did sitting members of Congress and the media.
“She whined about it every time she got in front of a camera“
So what, she annoyed you occasionally.
She didn’t institute the complex conspiracy of fake electors who falsely certified on official documents filed with the National Archives that they were the duly elected electors in their state and signed documents claiming to be properly certified by the State legislature.
Donald Trump publicly called for Mike Pence to violate the constitution, and encouraged his supporters to vilify Mike Pence for failing to obey Donald’s coercion.
Then he ordered his followers to come to the capital on January 6 and directed them to “be wild”, followed by a speech where he repeatedly told them to “march to the Capitol” and “fight”.
Yeah, your snowflake claims of annoyance are a false equivalence to Trump’s substantial plans and actions to subvert the will of the voters and overthrow our country.
None of that was some a complex conspiracy, snowflake. Trump hired lawyers to fight everything within the bounds of the law.
Trump told his followers to be peaceful prior to the riot. Trump is not implicated in that. People always use the words fight in politics. Democrats use it all of the time. It doesn’t neccessarily mean physical violence, and you know that. You’re such a disengenuous person. Did your parents and grandparents raise you to be a liar?
“overthrow our country”
Hahahaha with lawyers?? Wow. You’re something else. You have a lot of nerve calling anyone a snowflake.
Where was I? Irritated at home that they were helping to undermine our institutions. Then Trump decided to take it even further.
Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t “win”?
Oh, and don’t think I didn’t notice you had nothing to say about my actual arguments. It must suck knowing that your arguments paint your dear leader out to be incompetent.
“Irritated at home that they were helping to undermine our institutions.”
You mean like when the executive branch ignored a Supreme Court ruling, then threatened to “reform” a coequal branch of government? Nope. You were silent then too. We know what you’re about, Miner 2.0.
“Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t “win”?”
See above, hypocrite.
“Oh, and don’t think I didn’t notice you had nothing to say about my actual arguments.”
I commented on your call to violence, Mr. triple negative.
> You mean like when the executive branch ignored a Supreme Court ruling, then threatened to “reform” a coequal branch of government?
Yes. Although I was far more annoyed by the Supreme Court BS because that seemed to have some traction, and thus had a chance of doing far more damage than Clinton being childish.
In other words, you were wrong again. But thanks for proving me right about you moving the goalposts. And of course, feel free to prove me right again by ignoring your mistake (again).
Although it’s funny that you’re complaining about the Executive Branch ignoring the SC when your dear leader nominated as his VP a guy who outright told Trump to ignore the SC. But let me guess, it’s OK when your guys do it. Kind of like how you and your ilk complained (rightfully IMO) about Obama abusing executive orders, but then threw your lot in with someone who believes in the strong unitary executive.
In what way did I “move the goalposts?” You’re complaining about a former president “undermining our institutions.” I brought up the fact that our CURRENT president is undermining the institution of the Supreme Court. That is absolutely relevant to the discussion, hypocrite, and is not “moving the goalposts.”
If you were truly “annoyed” by it, then you would be talking about that instead of complaining about a former president that apparently did something four or more years ago! Which is more relevant, liar? Think about it. Found the Democrat.
Response to your last TDS paragraph:
Why are you bringing up stuff that I never said, Mr. TDS? Do you want me to debate your long list of grievances with Trump, weirdo? Try to stay on topic for once in your life, Miner.
> In what way did I “move the goalposts?”
You keep making these claims about me, and when they are proven false you move the goalposts so that you never admit you made a mistake. Try to keep up.
Oh, and thanks for proving me right again.
It really is handy how you keep presenting arguments that are easily refuted.
> You’re complaining about a former president “undermining our institutions.”
So are you admitting that your guy lied about the elections being stolen? If not, then that’s clearly more worthy of discussion than the thing we agree on.
> That is absolutely relevant to the discussion
You mean comment section under the article that is talking about how the election was stolen?
> hypocrite
Says the person desperately defending their dear leader with a “whataboutism” argument, while criticizing me for … being on topic.
> If you were truly “annoyed” by it, then you would be talking about that
I have, many times. However, that is not the topic of the article.
> Which is more relevant, liar?
Did you read the article?
> Do you want me to debate your long list of grievances with Trump, weirdo?
You’re the one who brought up undermining the SC.
I’ll take this as your concession. Thanks for tacitly admitting that you don’t actually care about our institutions being undermined as long as your guys are the ones doing it.
> Try to stay on topic for once in your life, Miner.
Says the person who keeps talking about Biden in an article propping up Trump.
Oh, and let’s not forget your conspiratorial BS.
“You keep making these claims about me, and when they are proven false you move the goalposts so that you never admit you made a mistake.”
Ha ha. You never answered the question, slick. In what way did I “move the goalposts” liar?
“So are you admitting that your guy lied about the elections being stolen?”
My opinion on that is irrelevant to the statement you’re responding to, Mr. Strawman. If you’re going to use a different name, then you should make more of an effort to act differently, Miner.
“Says the person desperately defending their dear leader…”
Quote me, in our conversation, where I defended Trump, Mr. Strawman. Dear leader? I love how you’re pretending not to be a partisan Democrat, but you can’t help yourself, liar.
“I have, many times. However, that is not the topic of the article.”
Prove it, liar.
“You’re the one who brought up undermining the SC.”
That was an example to point out your hypocrisy. You’re a partisan Democrat pretending to be something else, but failing miserably at it.
“I’ll take this as your concession.”
You even lie to yourself!
“Oh, and let’s not forget your conspiratorial BS.”
Where was that? Quote me.
“…it’s funny that you’re complaining about the Executive Branch ignoring the SC…”
You don’t get it. I was pointing out your hypocrisy. Work on your reading comprehension, Miner. Reread the conversation from the beginning. You would fail fifth grade reading comprehension tests.
I accept your concession.
My claims clearly aren’t hypocritical, even by your own standards. But your TDS clearly doesn’t allow you to see how silly you are being.
“I accept your concession.”
That wasn’t even remotely a concession, but you’re welcome to continue lying to yourself.
Again, I answered your question about the SC in a way that you can’t call hypocritical, yet you keep doing it. Why?
Well, I already said it; Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t “win”?
Thanks again for proving me right, I accept your concession.
Here’s what we know about you, Shaun. Your first comment was crying about “how far our democracy has fallen.” I won’t even touch how silly that comment is, on it’s face. It doesn’t matter. What matters is that no one talks like that these days except extreme partisan Democrats. The rest of that comment is complaining about Trump, calling him names, and telling 2A supporters that they’re cowards unless they start shooting people.
Then, it just so happens that Miner is there to immediately agree with you. Then you proceed to do your best Miner49er impression, complete with constant straw man arguments, changing the subject, and crying about Trump. Two things are very obvious: 1) You’re a highly partisan Democrat, and 2) You’re Miner49er playing pretend. You would think, as often as you lie, that you would be better at it.
Therefore, saying that Joe Biden annoyed you by dismissing the Supreme Court because it was convenient in that moment holds no water because there is no proof of that. It isn’t just that there isn’t any proof. Every bit of evidence that you have provided with your words paints the exact opposite picture. So, no, you didn’t answer that question. All you’ve done is cry about Trump nonstop, and you expect people to believe that you feel the exact same way about Biden. Yeah, right. Why do you have to lie, Miner? Are you that insecure? You should try having an honest conversation someday.
Finally, you keep using a word that doesn’t mean what you think it means. Your assignment for the day is to look up the definitions of concede and concession. Just in case you’re too slow to take a hint, read this very slowly after you look up the definitions: I concede nothing.
> I won’t even touch how silly that comment is, on it’s face.
Oh? Because you’re defending Trump, who is lying about the election being stolen.
if you believe his lies then you should agree our Democracy is in bad shape, and if you don’t then you should also believe that our democracy is in bad shape.
> What matters is that no one talks like that these days except extreme partisan Democrats.
Prove it.
> Therefore, saying that Joe Biden annoyed you by dismissing the Supreme Court because it was convenient in that moment holds no water because there is no proof of that.
Thanks again for proving me right; “Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t ‘win’?”
I accept your concession.
You partisans really are predictable.
“Then, it just so happens that Miner is there to immediately agree with you“
Divine Providence, doncha know.
“You’re Miner49er playing pretend“
More of your empty claims, you make these statements without any proof and then act as if you are infallible and your words are the Gospel truth.
Empty claims like this are why you folks lost in 60 courtrooms.
As far as playing pretend, that would be your vice presidential candidate JP Mandel, who is really rocking that little black dress with the blonde wig.
Is that a string of pearls or…
No, I don’t have to believe that “our democracy is in bad shape.” Democracy isn’t capitalized by the way. I think we need serious election law reforms so that citizens will be confident in the results. It would be easy to do, but democrats fight it every step of the way, including laws specifically designed to keep non-citizens from voting. Now why would anyone be against that?
“Prove it.”
All you have to do is exist in the current political environment to understand that. Democrats talk like that every single day. No one used to talk like that until Trump won. It became a left-wing talking point. Of course you know this.
All you say is thanks for proving me right, and I accept your concession. I literally told you that I concede nothing. I did not prove you right. You don’t understand how language works. You should have looked it up.
> No, I don’t have to believe that “our democracy is in bad shape.”
Then you’re calling Trump a liar. Thanks for admitting that I am right.
> All you have to do is exist in the current political environment to understand that.
In other words, you have zero evidence. Much like your beloved leader when he pretended that the election was stolen.
> No one used to talk like that until Trump won.
You are either extremely young or just plain ignorant. Democratic backsliding is a trend that has been noted for decades.
> I literally told you that I concede nothing.
Then you should stop proving me right; “Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t ‘win’?”
Of course, you could end this by acting like a reasonable human being and stop pretending that I think things that I objectively don’t. But, since you’re not the type to act that way, thanks again, I accept your concession.
”In other words, you have zero evidence.”
TDS sufferers aren’t political moderates. Nice try, liar. It’s common knowledge for anyone paying attention to modern politics that “threat to democracy” has been a consistent talking point of the Left for eight years. Here’s a video since you insist on proof, as if you don’t know what I’m talking about, which would mean that you’re either dense or disingenuous.
> TDS sufferers aren’t political moderates.
Nope. Which is why you and your ilk are partisans.
As for me, I never claimed to be a “moderate”. However, I am certainly more moderate than an extremist pro-Trump supporter like yourself.
> It’s common knowledge for anyone paying attention to modern politics that “threat to democracy” has been a consistent talking point of the Left for eight years.
But it wasn’t invented in that time, nor are they the only ones who use it.
Case in point, the right often (correctly to a degree IMO) claims that things like cancel culture, identity politics, and even things like China are threats to democracy.
In fact, I decided to look to see if I could find a Republican who used the term against China. And look what I found, John Ratcliffe, the former Director of National Intelligence under Trump, who said; “The People’s Republic of China poses the greatest threat to America today, and the greatest threat to democracy and freedom world-wide since World War II.”
However, you’ll note that I never actually used the term “threat to democracy”. You did.
Shall I call you a Democrat?
I accept your concession.
The 2020 election WAS stolen.
No, I don’t believe the endlessly chanted mantra from the leftist media, which I now include Fox, stating otherwise.
So go fuck yourself.
And yes, too big to rig is entirely appropriate.
Yes Punisher it was stolen and the courts didn’t want to challenge it because they knew it would be a giant fucking shit show. Shame on them for not helping to save our Republic when they had the chance.
The dems tried to kill my President Trump. The only plan that they hatched was for the Administrative SS to be so totally incompetent that even an idiot like Crooks could do the deed. By the Grace of God that didn’t happen so they had to, “shades of Paul Ryan” push Biden off a cliff. Nobody is complaining about it because “it was the right thing to do”. If you don’t understand the depths that the democrat party will go to, to hold on to power by now then you never will. Paper Ballots! Voter ID! Same Day Voting unless you are serving over seas.
“The dems tried to kill my President Trump. The only plan that they hatched was for the Administrative SS to be so totally incompetent“
I thought yesterday was tinfoil Thursday?
“an idiot like Crooks“
You mean the registered republican?
“You mean the registered republican?”
To be clear, in his own words in discovered writings … he registered as a means to counter vote against Trump. Not to forget that he also actually donated money to Bidens election campaign.
But of course, in your zeal for propaganda to please your masters, to you its “You mean the registered republican?”
Get a clue moron, and learn what context means.
But but .40 Cal! Crooks wore a Demolitia T-Shirt as he walked through the venue! He was obviously one of us!
“in his own words in discovered writings … he registered as a means to counter vote against Trump“
I look forward to reading the quote you provide regarding this claim.
I don’t know about that. But there is other evidence that he was anti-Trump, other than, you know, trying to murder him.
The “he’s a republican” is the same sort of op the media ran with Comey, et al even though Comey admitted that he was a Hillary supporter. Only idiots (Democrats) fall for that.
Would-be Donald Trump assassin Thomas Crooks became “smug and arrogant” in class whenever students talked politics — and questioned why a classmate would support Trump, according to a former classmate.
That’s a NYPost article with a video of a classmate. It’s also on MSN. You can find it with a search. Links go to moderation now.
Nope, you’re trying that same ‘move the goal post’ bullshit again.
Now you say some interview with “former classmates”…
That wasn’t your claim, what you actually claimed was:
“in his own words in discovered writings … he registered as a means to counter vote against Trump“
And you still haven’t provided any evidence to back up your assertion, you just switch to a different story, another one without any names or links or source documents.
Meanwhile, in other news, soon push will come to shove in an actual court of law:
“J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk named in cyberbullying suit filed by Olympic boxer Imane Khelif
The Algerian athlete spent much of the 2024 Olympics in Paris at the center of a dispute about her gender eligibility that reverberated around the world.
Aug. 14, 2024, 9:46 AM EDT / Source: Variety
By Variety
J.K. Rowling and Elon Musk have both been named in a criminal complaint filed to French authorities over alleged “acts of aggravated cyber harassment” against Algerian boxer and newly crowned Olympic champion Imane Khelif.
Nabil Boudi, the Paris-based attorney of Khelif, confirmed to Variety that both figures were mentioned in the body of the complaint, posted to the anti-online hatred center of the Paris Prosecutor’s Office on Friday.
In a statement sent to Variety, the Paris Prosecutor’s Office (National Center for the Fight Against Online Hatred), confirmed it received the complaint filed by Khelif and announced that an investigation had been launched. “On Aug. 13, (The National Center for the Fight Against Online Hatred) contacted the OCLCH (Central Office for the Fight Against Crimes Against Humanity and Hate Crimes) to conduct an investigation into the counts of cyber harassment due to gender, public insult because of gender, public incitement to discrimination and public insult because of origin.”
“Nope, you’re trying that same ‘move the goal post’ bullshit again.”
Oops. You forgot to use the Shaun name, Miner. It’s weird how you guys sound like the same person. Why would that be? And as Shaun, you complained about a conversation I had with Miner days ago. Oops again. You’re terrible at this.
““in his own words in discovered writings … he registered as a means to counter vote against Trump“
No, that’s what .40 cal said. I brought up the NYP article. Try rereading and starting again. You shouldn’t have cheated your way through the fifth grade.
Dude, you’ve offered no proof that you aren’t also 40 ounce, we all know the truth.
How shameful of you.
Except that we usually post at different times of the day. We sound like completely different people. We have completely different posting styles. But yeah, other than that, sure, I’m everyone here except possum and Shaun. The only reason I’m not possum is because I’ve temporarily retired the name.
Stop trying to cover for your lack of reading comprehension skills, Miner.
Punisher, just to be clear I’m not talking about you when I say “If you don’t understand the depths that the democrat party will go to, to hold on to power by now then you never will”.
Right, because the guys who ended Roe and handed Trump broad immunity, are shy about controversy. /s
> The dems tried to kill my President Trump. The only plan that they hatched was for the Administrative SS to be so totally incompetent that even an idiot like Crooks could do the deed.
Another claim with zero evidence, but with the lovely advantage of blaming your enemies for all your problems.
Isn’t it interesting how these kinds of arguments paint the commenter out to be a … victim. That is, a poor precious little snowflake that needs the protection of a big strong organization. You know, kind of like how Republicans used to make fun of Democrats.
Then why haven’t you picked up a rifle yet? Are you too much of a coward to protect the Republic? If so, then I guess you might as well not vote. After all, the election will just be stolen anyway, right?
And even if somehow a Republican could win, why would anyone vote for Trump? After all, he talked about the election being stolen in 2016. He had 4 years to fix the “issue” and according to you, he failed.
But what am I saying? Logic doesn’t come into this.
Trump, the guy who happily sold out the 2A community, and can’t even string together a coherent argument about guns is obviously the only person we are allowed to support, right?
Why believe any election results ever? A bunch of representatives of the power apparatus coming out and stating the results are a certain way doesn’t mean they are and even if they are how they got that way may not be unsullied and pure.
For over 200 years this government has lied about plenty. For thousands of years the governments of the world have lied a out plenty.
It would be rare and quite anomalous if an election was actually on the up and up.
You know who else was a government official? Donald Trump.
I guess that means you put as little weight on anything he says as you do on our elections, right?
Surely you aren’t making that kind of argument but exempting a former President of the US, right?
Trump has zero evidence to support his claim that the election was stolen. And he had 4 years in the most powerful position in the country to prepare to either prevent it from happening or at least prepare enough infrastructure to prove his claims.
If you argue that his claims are true, then you are also calling him incompetent. That’s all there is to it.
You seem to be suffering from TDS.
They’re all lying all the time about winning, losing, waring, saving, creating, destroying. Nothing they say or do is honest or true. Never has been.
Thanks for admitting that Trump is a liar, and therefore what I wrote about him isn’t wrong.
Odd that you would accuse me of “TDS” when you fully acknowledge that Trump is a liar.
Why is that odd? I say they’re all lying all the time and every cretin in any political position needs to die.
You’re focused on orange man bad like he’s special or different.
You gonna concede that Biden, Harris, Pelosi and the rest of them are lying scumbags as well or is it only Trump?
Shaun (Miner 2.0) is a partisan Democrat. He obviously isn’t interested in the truth, only pointing out “Orange Man Bad!
Wow. I’m focused on Trump on an article talking about Trump, and pretending that his lies about the election are true. Who could fathom why I would do such a thing?
I’ll take it a step further. Politicians in general are liars. They vary somewhat in quantity and quality, but they all lie, mislead, and generally abuse the truth.
However, this is a topic that props up Trump’s lies about the election being stolen, which he has zero evidence for. Now are you ready to call out Trump directly, or are you just going to keep fence sitting as a way of avoiding calling out the guy, I expect, you want to support?
That’s the thing. I would have far more … respect I guess, if people who support Trump’s lies would just admit that they don’t care about election integrity, they just want their guy to win, no matter how.
I despise authoritarians, but at least then they would be honest.
“Shaun”
Watch this video. Then call out Hillary, Joe Biden, Kamala, previously sitting members of Congress, and the media, for claiming that the 2016 election was stolen, hacked, etc. Why wasn’t that a threat to democracy? Where were you? Gee, I wonder. It’s almost like some people are partisans.
“I say they’re all lying all the time and every cretin in any political position needs to die.“
That’s just the typical conservative cop-out.
And I’m impressed by the jovial way you advocate for the killing of other people, bravo! (insert slow clap sound sample here)
Y’all don’t give a shit about the constitution, your wannabe dictator has already called for its termination and none of you denounced his anti-American demand:
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”
So much for your sworn oath, you ‘uphold and support’ the constitution by terminating it when it is convenient for your political fortunes.
Your perfidy is why you will lose, it’s all too obvious to the American voters.
Donald Trump has never won the popular vote, except in the jury box.
“Why wasn’t that a threat to democracy?“
Because all they did was whine, bitch and moan about losing the election, which is a typical response and does not involve an overthrow of the government.
The Democrats did not institute 60 court cases in an attempt to change the outcome, much less execute a wide ranging fake elector conspiracy that involved falsely perpetrating a fraud on the citizens of the United States.
Really, if you can’t differentiate between those two different situations…
“The Democrats did not institute 60 court cases…”
Oh no! People are using the legal system to dispute something! Threat to democracy! *screams at sky* Noooo!
Shaun,
So, you would have NO PROBLEM with reasonable measure to insure voter and ballot integrity?? And the integrity of the actual vote count?
Cool!!! Now explain to me why the Dimocrat party is consistently, across the country, opposed EVERY election integrity measure or legislation proposed. PLEASE, as a gift to me, answer with “Requiring ID is RACIST!” – that way I would get a chortle before I had to deal with the “substance” of whatever argument you propose to make.
It surprises me not in the slightest that a racist/Leftist/fascist would resort to the (implied) argument that . . . “them POC are just too lazy and dumb to get an ID”. Would it impact your thinking AT ALL to know that polls (MANY polls) show that most African-Americans SUPPORT requiring voter ID???
Nah, I didn’t think so.
It depends on what you call “reasonable”. And let’s remember, this is a gun rights blog, so attempting to slip that kind of comment by is very interesting. As is your inference that I am a Democrat because I don’t kowtow to your glorious leader.
As for me, I don’t think Voter ID laws are a big deal, especially if there were proper reforms. For example, it can be a pain to change your name on your ID (depending on the state), which is obviously an issue for women. Clean up those kinds of issues, and it doesn’t really matter.
So, are you going to admit that you are wrong about me? Or are you going to do like the other person and keep shifting the goalposts?
He’s right about you. You’re asking us to take your word for these things that are convenient in the moment. Yet, your words paint the picture of a highly partisan Democrat with TDS, not some independent moderate. Besides, we all know it’s you, Miner. I’m embarrassed for you at this point.
“Besides, we all know it’s you, Miner.“
This is just so fascinating, I’m continually entertained by you folks.
I have no connection with Shaun or Sean or Shawn or whoever, and I have never posted on TTAG under any other name.
It’s just another of your empty claims, for which you are never willing to bear the burden of proof.
I’ve laid out the evidence. And you just made another comment above where you sound exactly like Shaun. You’re terrible at this, Miner/Shaun. It’s weird how you two are the only guys on this page that sound like the same person.
Why yes, I am asking you to take my word that my beliefs are my beliefs. Otherwise, all you have to go on are your own paranoid fantasies. But I guess to someone like you it’s more convenient to ignore petty things like facts and basic logic.
That’s why you are so determined to defend a guy who you tacitly call incompetent.
Oh, and thanks for continuing to prove me right by ignoring your mistakes.
“But I guess to someone like you it’s more convenient to ignore petty things like facts and basic logic.”
Does logic dictate that I take you at your word, or that I notice the meaning of your words? I am using logic. Logic does not equal blind trust. Your behavior is clearly that of an extremely partisan Democrat. You’re asking us to believe two things that a moderate independent or Republican would believe. Those two things were convenient for you in that moment. You haven’t shown any evidence that you would believe those two things. I looked at the facts, and logically concluded that you’re a partisan Democrat.
“Oh, and thanks for continuing to prove me right by ignoring your mistakes.”
And thanks for my concession, right lol? You need to look up lots of words. You don’t understand basic language.
It’s wild that you and Miner are here at the same time, again!
Considering you have zero evidence to support your claims beyond your own partisan nonsense, yeah, logic does dictate you take me at my word about what I believe. And if you don’t, then how can you make any kind of argument about what I say?
You could just as easily dismiss my arguments about Trump as a lie, but instead;
> Your behavior is clearly that of an extremely partisan Democrat.
You mean aside from all the things you arbitrarily dismissed because they don’t fit into your narrative.
> You haven’t shown any evidence that you would believe those two things.
You mean aside from me saying it?
I guess that means I don’t have to take you at your word, right?
> And thanks for my concession, right lol?
Yup; “Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t ‘win’?”
Thanks again for proving me right.
“Considering you have zero evidence to support your claims beyond your own partisan nonsense, yeah, logic does dictate you take me at my word about what I believe.”
You have another word to look up. Logic does not mean taking someone at their word. I have plenty of evidence which I have laid out. You can ignore that, and live in a fantasy world of your making if you wish.
“You mean aside from all the things you arbitrarily dismissed because they don’t fit into your narrative.”
Here is what I dismissed. I dismissed the two things that happened to be super convenient for you to believe. They were: 1) That you were upset at Joe Biden for dismissing the SC and threatening to reform them, and 2) that you don’t think voter ID laws are a big deal.
You don’t regularly comment under the Shaun name. You usually use Miner49er. Even if we ignore Miner’s long history of being a partisan, “Shaun” has no real history here to check. This is suddenly your favorite website, huh? All we have to really go on is this page. On this page, you have proven yourself to be a stereotypical TDS sufferer. The only times you pretended to be a moderate were highly convenient for you, in that moment. So using facts and logic, we can all see that you’re FOS. You’re a terrible liar.
And again, I never proved you right or conceded anything. I never have, and I never will, so drop the childish talk.
Still no evidence to prove your case. I accept your concession.
> I dismissed the two things that happened to be super convenient for you to believe.
You mean inconvenient for your narrative.
> You don’t regularly comment under the Shaun name. You usually use Miner49er.
Another claim you have zero evidence to support.
> And again, I never proved you right or conceded anything.
Oh? Then what about this; “Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t ‘win’?”
If you don’t concede, then you should stop proving me right.
I accept your concession.
”Oh? Then what about this; “Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t ‘win’?”
Wow. I never said that. You said that. You can’t even keep your story straight.
I don’t have a narrative to push. I merely used facts and logic. Anyone can read this page and see that two people here are unhinged when it comes to Trump and “our democracy.” That would be you/Miner.
You look like a child saying I accept your concession every time.
If you don’t have a narrative to push, why are you so obsessed with pretending I don’t think that Voter ID laws are a big deal?
We both know the answer. You are a Trump supporter, and you want to paint me as an “other” as a way of dismissing my arguments without addressing them. Of course, the fact that I am just more ideologically consistent than people with TDS like yourself sticks in your craw, so you insist on lying about what I believe.
Which is, of course, exactly what I said would happen; “Now that I showed that you are wrong, are you going to change your tune? Or, like your beloved leader, are you just going to try to change the rules because you didn’t ‘win’?”
Thanks again for admitting that I am right.
I accept your concession.
As a whole gun owners who say they value their Second Amendment Civil right are their own worst enemy. I still talk to those who rage on “but mah bump stock” and I reply well them vote for Harris and them “not votin” and I say “OK, so your helping Harris, good luck with that”. Beyond that a very small percentage contribute to any Second Amendment support organization.
Anyone who owns a gun and doesn’t vote is a perverted chickenshit.
Convicted felons excepted, maybe…
Speaking of convicts…no sign of possum lately?
Poor bastard dodged F-150s most of his life. Got pissed about being “moderated” on everything and decided to retire to his den (underground bunker) and work full-time on hes phased array neutron blaster. I expect to hear from
– or about – him sometime after the elections.
Walmart stopped making Dr Thunder in the 3 liter bottles. So he’s out of luck on the phased array neutron blaster, sadly.
If there is such a thing as cosmic justice, he’s won an F150 in a raffle, and is out getting reparations.
Of course, if there were cosmic justice, the face of a girl who used to go skinny-dipping with me would flash across the sky any time somebody said “wow, nice knockers”.
okay, I’ll try and oblige – – –
” Tulsi Gabbard “
I got news for ya… the Democrats have rigged it already. They have, through their intentionally insecure border and by using secretive ‘immigrant’ NGO’s funded with U.S. citizen tax dollars funneled through the United Nations, managed to get multiple thousands of non-citizens and illegal-immigrant non-citizens registered to vote in the upcoming presidential election.
Multiple states are discovering these in the thousands on their voter registration roles and are removing them, but they might not get all of them in time to keep them from showing up to vote. In the mean while, in Blue states these NGO’s keep piling them onto the voter registration roles and even offering short classes on how to vote and to vote democrat. Plus these NGO’s keep trying to exploit other states systems weaknesses to get as many as possible on their voter registration roles.
“multiple thousands of non-citizens and illegal-immigrant non-citizens registered to vote in the upcoming presidential election“
Well, that’s quite the assertion.
So Rudy, do you have even one name?
Several states have lots of names, their efforts have been in the news and available by searches, and heck, even New York Hochul beamed proudly in the news about how they were being added to the voter registration rolls and was behind it 100%. Have you been living under a rock? Oh nope, I’ll retract that question, you have been living in your left wing fantasy world with TDS. But once again without any real understanding or knowledge you jump right into discussion for which you are are a complete moron and then you cherry pick out of context to make you feel all warm n fuzzy thinking you made a valid point when what you really did was make you look like the clown you are. You did not read the rest and understand, you read what your confirmation biased wanted you to read and once again, ignored context like you usually do by cherry picking… yep ya did, typical radical extremist left wing traitor confirmation bias and not knowing what context means and confirmation bias Miner49er.
That sure is a lot of text just to say you don’t have any names.
Not one name to substantiate your claim.
Now do you understand why Trump and his minions lost all 60 court cases?
“Rusty Bowers says Giuliani told him: ‘We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence’
BY BRETT SAMUELS 06/21/22 02:02 PM ET
Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers (R) on Tuesday said he repeatedly pressed Rudy Giuliani for proof of his claims of election fraud after the 2020 election, but added that Giuliani failed to produce any.
“My recollection, he said, ‘We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence,’” Bowers told the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack at Tuesday’s hearing.“
Jose bitch, one of them is named Jose.
OH, PULEEZE, MajorIdiot!!! Put that shite where the sun don’t shine. I will ask you ONE MORE TIME – tell me the case where ANY claim of election fraud, miscounting, irregularity, etc. in the 2020 Presidential election was ruled NOT to have a factual basis after (i) a full evidentiary hearing, with both parties represented and allowed to present, and cross-examine, witnesses, and (ii) was not decided on “procedural” or “standing” grounds.
I won’t bother to wait for your response, since THERE WEREN’T ANY!!!! You are become deranged in your pathetic, partisan defense of, not just your inept, stupid candidates, but your deranged ‘world view’.
Just keep f*ckin’ that chicken, MajorMistake.
Lamprey, you are the one claiming the election was stolen, you are the one who bears the burden of proof.
Show your hand, post the evidence you have to back up your claim of a stolen election.
And still not one name…
Just empty claims, as usual.
Shooting the vote…Just not from the rooftop. That’s a democrat tactic.
I don’t think Pelosi is going to let him win in November.
LOL – As long as she doesn’t run out of toilet paper…
I’d say Trump would have more of an issue with the toilet paper shortage like we had under his administration, and he’s flushing 10 or 15 times so…
Yeah, you would definitely say that. You’d also say “No crisis at the border”, just like she did. In what other ways are you parallel with her? Charmin?
Now tell us it’s Trump fault, lol.
She will unless her opponents go to the pols and vote against her.
History clearly shows the following. No matter how difficult it might seem to retain rights it is oh so much more difficult to regain rights lost. That is something that unregistered voters really need to think about. If you aren’t registered to vote, you cannot vote. Voting in favor of pro gun rights candidates and or against anti gun rights candidates is one way to defend your constitutional rights, which sad to note, are in constant need of defense.
People, including gun owners, who shirk their civic duty to understand the issues and vote wisely, deserve to live in a totalitarian country. We’re halfway there already!
Optimist…
Yeah Wray, ….. you must not have noticed the “Dead End” sign you drove past a way’s back?
There are suppossedly 100million gunowners in the US. That should make it impossible to rig.
But it doesn’t; won’t.