SIG SAUER Issues Safety Bulletin About the P320 and Certain Light-Bearing Holsters

1. A twig, branch or vine can insert itself through the trigger guard while re- holstering and exert strong pressure on the trigger as the gun is pushed into the holster.

   This can happen with any gun/holster configuration.

   Had it happen to me, and I believe it would have resulted in an “unscheduled” discharge, had I been using a glock-style pistol or possibly even a wheelgun.

   Thumb safety good.

   • Shirts and even the flap of an old holster have been implicated as well. (We must be wary of inanimate objects.)

2. Carry a real sig… a 226, 229 or 220… and worry not!!

   • pretty sure all of those will fire if you pull the trigger too

3. You’d “think” they wouldn’t need an advisory. I guess it’s deflection for all the bad press sigs have been getting. I have no opinion on the good/bad gats…

4. And I was told by one blowbag barking at my instructions for making a Glock Trigger Plug that a holster solves the problem. Unfortunately a holster does not address a chambered firearm in motion or a chambered stationary firearm encountering a foreign object in motion…a trigger plug does both.

   So be my guest, chamber your Glock, etc. and shove it down your pants toward your weenie and Femoral Artery; the incompetent barking blowbags on this forum will be there to stop the bleeding…not.

   • So you’re against any type of IWB carry, with any pistol?

     • She has novelties to sell

   • can i call you debbydischarge?

   • Oh lord here we go with the Glock plug

     • A bolt and nut would take care of that, without having to cut up a tire valve stem. The bolt and nut when tightened securely in the trigger guard would prevent any movement of the trigger no matter how much force is applied, intentionally or accidentally, during any portion of the draw.

       And it only takes several long seconds with a pair of wrenches easily carried along with your pistol, to undo the makeshift obstacle to allow you to fire the weapon — whereas a piece of valve stem might fall out or be easily dislodged by a finger entering the guard.

       Or perhaps if one is afraid of carrying a Glock-type pistol, one should carry another type of gun — or not carry a weapon at all.

   • Debbie, I’m not aware of a manufacturer who makes a holster that accommodates valve stems. Can you advise?

     • Valvco?

       • 🤣AQ, have you ever seen anyone who holds themself up for ridicule more than Debbie?

5. This looks like Sig is blame shifting. The videos I’ve seen of them discharging in the holster showed no fingers or anything else entering the holster. I think the real problem is internal to the pistol.

   • I wonder if it could be a twisting/torsion of slide vs frame/internals that allows a release of the striker.

6. never would I carry a P320. Too easy to shoot well!

   Due diligence with a Glock is fine- dont trust the 320.
   I dont holster AIWB- I put the gun in the holster then holster the combination.

   Stay safe

   • so, suppose you had to draw your pistol in a tactical situation. You’re then going to reholster by removing your holster, putting the pistol in it, and then putting the combination back on your belt?

     • no- but the tactical situation isnt likely. We wear a pistol every day so it isnt any trouble to follow safe procedure.

7. I know my 6360RDS isn’t exactly happy when I holster a weapon without a light. The gun will go in a little funky sometimes and I need to remove it and try again.

   The last one I bought actually came with a warning card in the package about certain firearm/light combos being dangerous.

8. I own a sig P320 and use a slide holster with the trigger completely covered and have never encountered an issue. When I take the firearm out of the holster while wearing it, I use the last three fingers to raise the handle while my trigger finger is straight on the outside of the holster.When the firearm is completely removed my trigger finger remains straight and above the trigger guard. Additionally, once I holster my firearm and carry it, I never pull the firearm out unless I am actually shooting it or cleaning it before I put it away.
   I have other pistols including a Glock and have never had an accidental discharge because of a holster and I have used everything from the molded plastic holsters, nylon holsters leather holsters and holsters with space for a light which I do not generally carry outside the house because they are too bulky.
   I would like to see the stats on how many accidental discharges there are by pulling a firearm from its holster with and without a light. My guess is human error is the cause for most accidental discharges. Most of us have seen the videos of poor gun handling and shooting practices that result in people accidentally shooting themselves or others.
   While I do understand that guns can be defective, I still believe most problems are a result of the user.

   • Reasonable approach and assessment………… unfortunately not what will get attention but I see a lot of familiar thoughts and experience here.

   • Hot take: it doesn’t matter.

     When a gun is marketed as being a duty pistol, and is having a bunch of uncommanded OR negligent discharges compared to other duty pistols, there is a problem with its design.

     Imagine, for the sake of argument, a gun that was mechanically safe except that it had a .1lb trigger. You could say “if you keep your finger off the trigger, this gun won’t go off” and be entirely right. Are you going to carry that gun? If you were outfitting a unit or department, would you pick that gun? Of course not. It would be insane. Because the margin of error is so vanishingly small that it can’t account for human behavior.

     That’s why I think the (non safety) p320 is flawed. Something is causing it to fire unintentionally. I suspect a mechanical flaw, but it could just be that the design of the light striker fired trigger is insufficient to account for everyday carry. Either way, when there are other pistols that accomplish the job without the increased risk, why bother with the p320?

     • Not a hot take at all. Personally I think it’s a mix of training, lack of safety/light wide trigger, and possible design defect. That is an opinion but as for why bother there are some states where buying a new pistol involves registration and approval so being able to swap sizes/calibers readily is useful.

       • Probably all of the above, but I wouldn’t go so far as the trigger. There’s a characteristic where if slightly out of battery, the trigger gets very light indeed. Consistent on all 3 of mine. Somewhere around 3 – 4mm of travel, of which, all of my examples are gen 2 so I won’t press the idea that it’s prevalent in all, because I can’t speak for all, only but for the model examples I personally own.

         If it is a factor in any of the cases, that would indicate something is pushing or pulling the slide as well as manipulating the trigger at the same time. I can’t make it occur without pulling the trigger, and that includes a bunch of wacks employing a heavy non-marring mallet, even at the formerly critical 21 degree angle, the flaw in the 1st generation drop test.

         Being the case, as long as the fc group is fully enshrouded I don’t see any reasonable cause for shelving it. See my earlier post for recommendations.

     • Not sure anyone has provided statistics for the alleged problem nor studied the causes. Sig Sauer is a reputable company, and I am reasonably sure if they were experiencing a significant number of problems or complaints, they would address it. While most of us have the civilian model this firearm was adopted by the armed forces as the main handgun to replace the Berretta.
       It went through a very vigorous process to win that contract. As far as a firearm having a one pound trigger pull do you have any info on exactly what firearm that is?
       I’ll stick with what I said above. I have one and it works fine and I have other brand guns that work just as well. If that gun has the problem you think it has trust me when I tell you I would have gotten rid of it by now. So if you have some real data to back up your opinion please share it with us. Thanks

       • Can only speak for NY for a short time where I was at all involved in any data collection for firearm incidents (typically worked more on body armor) but for less than a year of data collection saw almost as many 320 related incidents as Glock related ones and at that time more than 7 to 2 ratio of Glock to Sig issued. With that said less than a year of data, several years ago, no detailed incident report to go with the numbers so just a count input, and no idea on current numbers and not looking to drop a grand+ on a FOIL request. So again just my guess at possible issues involved. With that said lol at military procurement being a rigorous selection of best product generally. They get a lot right on material quality but are not immune to graft and groupthink (UCP pattern was fun)

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         SafeupstateFML thanks for the stats. I did a bit of research after reading some of this and they did have an issue if the gun was dropped at an angle and landed on the tip of the hand grip and beaver tail at the same time and attributed it to the physical weight of the trigger. Most of this showed up in 2017 and the military reported around 200 cases. The gun I have was purchased in 2017 and I believe I have not had the problem because I seldom drop any of my firearms. When Glocks were first issued to NY City police there were quite a few Glock Leg incidents because they were putting their fingers on the trigger while pulling the guns from their holsters. I am from NY as well and lived in NY.

       • I think most of the issues probably are continuing Glock leg issues but I was able to get the striker to release when the grip was torqued laterally against a stationary slide(in a vise but retention holster comes to mind if something pushes against the grip) with that said it took a fair amount of force so falling on your hip or something similar is about all I can think of otherwise.

       • You missed metaphor of the 1lb trigger pull gun. It’s a thought experiment to show the absurdity of depending on trigger discipline alone.

         As to the rest- the military version is distinct as it has (and is used with) a manual safety. And as for Sig being reputable- they released the p320 and it was NOT drop safe. They failed to design it properly and then failed to test it properly. It was only after the pistol was ‘in the wild’ that police departments started realizing there was a major problem. I believe it was the Dallas PD that ended up first putting notice out that there was something wrong, after which a bunch of consumers started looking at it and found a repeatable way to show that the gun would fire when dropped.

         Only then, when provided with undeniable evidence, did Sig provide a “voluntary upgrade program” (a corporate bs phrase instead of a recall).

         I do not trust them based on their record with this platform. Love my p220 series guns though.

   • I too would like to see a study like that.

9. everything in the world is causing p320s (without a manual safety) to discharge. What a weird coincidence.

   • Far below 1%, and that only if you take the claims prima facie and absolutely no negligence is involved at all. I get it though, maths r hard to comprehend with the emotional knee-jerk.

     As for the article; Tenicor, T1, and T-Rex all cover as completely as any non-light bearing model for the non-oversized wml (looking at you, x-300u and TLR-1). Full coverage which should be standard practice in play on any & all striker fired. Have and use all of the above, speaking from experience. Also, Tenicor is by far the better quality option, even without a claw or Enigma.

     • The only people having emotional reactions to this situation are sig-simps. Nobody else is invested.

       When you need multiple explanations to explain the same thing happening, there’s a good chance you’re making excuses for one real cause.

       • Oh hi TexTed, it’s the person who posts “BUT SIG” these days 99% of the time, with many different account names. That’s emotional investment, nice transparent dodge attempt.

         You always were a slimy scumbag Dacian clone.

       • In point of fact, your post earlier today showcases your stupidity. Out yourself by your writing style.

         Ex: “a whole lot less simping for Sig”.

         https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/new-mexico-carry-ban-lawsuits-grisham-has-neither-the-law-nor-local-support-on-her-side/

         Fun when those that think themselves clever enough to get away with it are exposed as the liars they are.

10. Too many lawyers and politicians involved. Personal responsibility has been legislated away.

11. Once again the striker fired weapon with no manual safety is an accident waiting to happen and happen they do on a daily basis.

    You have only two options, if there is a manual safety available have it installed and it is not available the only other option to safely handle and carry the weapon is to carry the gun with the chamber empty.

    I am not so sure I recommend Debbie’s trigger block. If it stays put then yes but I would think it could pop out and the operator not even be aware that it was suddenly gone.

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