NEWINGTON, N.H., (December 17, 2019) – SIG SAUER, Inc. is honored to bring authentic, M17 Military Surplus handguns to the commercial market. The M17 Military Surplus handguns were manufactured under contract with the U.S. Army according to the original specifications of the Modular Handgun System (MHS). This is an exclusive, limited availability offering from SIG SAUER and the condition of the handguns will vary based on field use.
“The M17 Military Surplus handguns are a very special release from SIG SAUER, that gives consumers the opportunity to own a piece of history, and includes a certificate of authenticity,” said Tom Taylor, Chief Marketing Officer and Executive Vice President, Commercial Sales. “These handguns were originally issued by the U.S. Army and fielded during the initial domestic and in-theater deployment of the Modular Handgun System. The unique, one-of-a-kind, features of the M17 Surplus handguns include coyote controls, the original government-issue markings and serial numbers, and orange rear and green front SIGLITE Night Sights, which will make them coveted by both military and firearms collectors alike.”
The M17 Surplus handgun is a 9mm, striker-fired, P320-based handgun platform, featuring a coyote-tan PVD coated stainless steel slide, coyote-tan controls, a coyote-tan medium carry grip module, with the U.S. Government slide markings and serial numbers. The handguns are equipped with SIGLITE sights (orange rear & green front), removable night sight rear plates, and the same optic cut as specified by the MHS contract, and ready to fit a SIG SAUER Electro-Optics ROMEO1Pro Optic. The M17 features an ambidextrous manual safety, ships with (1) 17-round and (2) 21-round magazines, includes an official SIG SAUER M17 Certificate of Authenticity, and comes packed just as the handguns are delivered to the U.S. Military.
M17 Surplus Handgun Specs:
Overall Length: 8.0”
Overall Height: 5.5”
Overall Width: 1.6”
Barrel Length: 4.7”
Sight Radium: 6.6”
Weight (incl. magazine): 29.6 oz.
The M17 Surplus handgun is now shipping.
So these are the early ones that had problems?
I also wondered why they’re being pulled from the field so soon.
My first guess was marketing, though. (Like the overpriced DCM 1911s.)
IIRC the military ones never had the problems. The fix they applied to the civilian version was to basically use the same trigger parts that the military approved.
You recall correctly.
You better do a little more research. That was just one of the problems.
The early problems in question included, among other things, sometimes ejecting 2 cartridges upon firing (and spent AND a live one).
“During drop testing in which an empty primed cartridge was inserted, the striker struck the primer causing a discharge. SIG SAUER implemented an Engineering Change Proposal (ECP) to correct this deficiency by implementing lightweight components in the trigger group mechanism. This fix may have contributed to the splintering of two triggers during the IOT&E”
Thats straight from the DOT&E Report regarding the MHS mind you it wasnt a production M17 so the issue was found in the early stages of testing. By the time the Army got production M17s the issue was a thing of the past. Plus its a Google search to read the report for yourself if you don’t believe it SIG referred people to the report and PEO stands by the report.
How much? Does warranty apply?
Last time I saw these they were ~$650…no idea where these will be priced.
Sig’s website says they’re covered under their “certified pre-owned warranty”
Surplus already???
Not sure of that good or bad…..
Well, I suppose once loaded, the first time you drop it could be your last.
Therefore, if you’re depressed, that could be good…
*snicker* 😉
Commifornia is a pretty depressing state….
Desert tan is so hot right now.
Damn, that is coyote? I still don’t know what taupe is either.
tactical peanut butter
Pass
That’s a nice one, they fixed the obnoxious oversized slide catch on the SP2022. I would have bought one if not for that stupid thing, couldn’t even find a 3rd party replacement.
I’ve never had an issue with it, if that’s the only thing that’s holding you back from an SP2022 I would certainly reconsider. That being said, someone let the secret out of the bag about these guns a couple years back and I don’t think we’ll see 399.99 SP2022s anytime soon and those are the ones that I would buy.
That’s got to be one of the dumbest reasons I’ve ever heard for not buying a gun. The slide release is too long/too big? Really?
Did you ever actually shoot an SP2022? If you had you’d know that it’s one of the best DA/SA guns in SIG’s lineup, and one of the best DA/SA polymer guns on the market.
Huh. Guess they dropped these pretty quick.
good one
Watch the video and find out why these are available. Still doesn’t tell you price and WHERE to get them though. Guess you find it yourself online or get your dealer to locate.
Web page need update!
Gander Mt. In Mankato been closed a couple of years, Eaden prairie store closed and lakeville has a name change, best source in area is Ahlman out in the country North of Morristown Minnesota.
Are-are we allowed to own these?! They are Weapons Of War!!!!
That, is an *excellent* point.
And it has 2 of those extra-deadly, schoolchild-killing 21 round magazines!
Look at it this way, if Shannon doesn’t complain about it, we’ve proven yet again what hypocrites they are…
Shannon? The stripper from the local titty bar? Don’t know why she would complain, heard she likes ‘guns’.
Oh and she pronounces it Sha’ Noun..
https://momsdemandaction.org/shannon-watts/
Not a huge fan
TTAG: BUY A GLOCK,
Sorry I just had too.
Military junk umnnm surplus already…….no thanks
i love sig, but i have big problems with this whole line of products. i still, years later, don’t understand why they needed to release a “civilian” version of the m17. was it so they can now pull a stunt like this?
I would be interested for the right price not because they are “a piece of history” but because it might be a good buy. It would have to priced in the $350-$400 range.
The red box police pistols, refurbished by the factory, are $350 to $400. My two look brand new and function flawlessly. For the same money, I’d take the refurbished cop pistol in preference to a surplus military pistol in unknown condition.
Why? They about the same usage level.
M-1 Rifle is now $1800 to $1900.00 and no match parts! As Surplus!
Wonder what a new, match Springfield would be worth?!
Match parts new SIG in collection box might be worth a bit 20 years or so from now..
Tdiinva, I have seen the civilian version run as low as $500. So used does sound right at about $350 to $400.
From what I have the Army paid about $1300 per unit. Anyone else see the exact figure?
$1300?! Wow… was that for just the basic package or a degree of parts/ammo/accessory support as well? I know that was a big part of why the Army went with the Sig, so they could get the guns, attachments, ammo, suppressors, etc from a single source
From what I saw of the price of the contract and the units sold $1300 and change was the price per unit. I suspect that included the support as well.
I just did a nsn search and the price showed $433 per unit that way. I don’t know if that is correct as I don’t have access to the nsn catalogue anymore to verify.
The nsn I have is : 1005-01-340-0096. Anyone have access to the data?
Agreed. They usually buy spares and maintenance so they can continue to field the units with no down time. So they sell surplus back to Sig and they capture a significant markup from the civilian market. I’m going to guess $650. We’ll see.
{$1300?! Wow… was that for just the basic package}…. No that is the “SPECIAL” Government price, in the world of 500 dollar toilet seats that $1300 bucks for an honest to goodness killing device is probably considered a real bargain…..
It was 1300 to the Army but they threw in 2 Generals and a Congressman.
That is true, the Generals were from the Chair Force (they were just sitting around).
But Sig returned the congress critter…apparently the only thing she could say was “impeach 45”.
Hope it was Democratic anti gun for target training
$1,300? So about what the Army pays for a hammer?
The US Army contract is for $207 each
Why are they being surplussed through Sig and not the military or CMP?
Because CMP would have a whole list of requirements just to have the chance to get one including the blood of your first born.
Time to pay up and make up for that outrageous discount they gave the Army.
The buzz I’ve heard is these were surplused so they’ll all be uniform with black controls.
I’m not gonna lie. I’m tempted. These are cool.
Anyone know what the weight to the two springs Sig will include?
Neanderthals never cease to amaze me. If you like this poorly designed piece of shit why not spend a few bucks more and buy a brand new one. Just because the U.S, Military simians got first chance to beat the shit out of these pistols why would you want to be next in line to take your turn and unlike them you have to pay for one of these turds.
All this is about a stupid as the dumb ass people buying the rebuilt 1911 surplus junkers for $1000 from the CMP that have been rebuilt with modern cast iron parts when they could by modern brand new 1911 guns for as little as $400.
As P.T. Barnum once said “There is a sucker born every minute”. only with gun owners its more like every second.
It could have some future collectors value. I bet they want 2K each.
From what I remember Sig won the contract at like $250 or $350 each.
Lowest Bidder.
Merry Christmas All.
It’s a win win for Sig and the Military. Military sends these back to Sig and get’s replacement handgun at no cost with uniformity color they want, new in box. Sig turns around and sells these for more than what it cost to make a new handgun for the military. Same thing Colt did with the M45 and the Marine Corps.
The same military that has a mix of black and coyote Picatinny rail covers in formation on a mix of M4s and M16A4s is changing out pistols that are almost never used in formation for uniformity of color?
Color me confused….
Uniformity of color, not my words sig press release. I know it sounds stupid. Something’s not up to par, when the Corps changed out the M45 it was because the previous finish was inferior and wearing rapidly in the holsters. All new guns having growing pains, SIG may have worked out other bugs, and the military is getting everything updated.
Forgot to mention that no one will see a pistol in formation or likely any place outside of the armory or pistol range because pistols are holstered in Level 2 SERPA holsters that cover everything but the grip and magazine.
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