Smith & Wesson’s New Model 350 X-Frame Revolver Chambered in 350 Legend

1. I guess the Military Arms Channel calling 350 Legend “9mm Magnum” was spot on.

   • Wouldn’t it qualify as .357 magnum Xtra magnum?

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     • IDTS. .357 Magnum bullets use .357 diameter bullets. 9mm uses .355” diameters bullets.

   • I spoke to soon. .350 is rimless. So maybe 9mm magnum.

     • Does look to be a .355 and my first thought is how fast could a 68 grain copper solid be pushed just to be silly.

     • Rimless AND no crimp. Call me crazy .357 Maximum makes more sense to me in a wheelgun.

       • I had a +p load in a j frame jump crimp and the bullet walked out and locked the cylinder up. The j frame was an air weight.

         Crimpless would make me wary.

       • Lack of crimp in my Ruger rechambered 10Magnum revolver surprisingly hasn’t been a problem with jacketed 200 gr. XTPs , but I’m waiting on a 401 crimp die for 200 gr. and up hard-cast loads… they’ll tie up the cylinder after 2 shots.

       • I’m with you on the 357 Max. I shoot it out of a Contender, and it’s a serious whitetail killer.

         “…cylinder that utilizes moon clips…”

         Cartridges could be roll crimped for this revolver, if you had a die for it, because the moon clips would hold them in place. Just don’t put the same crimped loads in any other gun chambered for it. A proper taper crimp should work, as long as you don’t keep reinserting the same unfired cartridge back into the cylinder for repeated trips around the pin.

       • 350 legend was made for use in a semi auto platform, crimping is more important on a semi platform, it has to survive the force being chambered.

       • Had a Hornady”Critical Defense”, back out and tie-up the cylinder on a pre m-27 5”bbl S&W, at an indoor range. Might have been third round in cylinder. RSO punched it out with a dowel. I Stopped saying” well , revolvers don’t jam like semi-autos”.
         Plus many decades ago had a jacketed .44 mag, indoor range reload, back out tieup cylinder in a 6”model 29.

2. I’ve got one on order. We’ll see.

   • The one upside is that I have seen ammo for it on the shelves for it here in Mn. Other than being viable for an AR upper, not seeing the utility of it in non-straightwall states, but would be interested in a rimmed version of it which would cater to revolvers and leverguns. Is it heavy enough for large hogs?

     • Walmart got rid of scary handgun and 5.56 ammo, but they still sell 350 Legend and, curiously enough, 7.62 NATO.

       • ☝️Exactly.

   • Looking forward to seeing your review, this really ticks my OCD for having multiple firearms of the same caliber, and I JUST finished my .350 legend AR build

   • Include some chronograph results please.

     • Will do.

   • Oh lawd yes I can’t wait for this one.

3. Well, I have never seen that ammo anywhere….

   • It’s probably not especially common outside of states that don’t ban traditional rifle cartridges for hunting on public land.

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   • No one else going to comment that it’s s a 7 shooter? Basically, 30-30 power in a revolver. 350 Legend hasn’t really been tested that much since it came out right when all the lockdowns happened.

     • It may be comparable to .30-30 out of a revolver, but not .30-30 out of a rifle. 7 shot would be helpful though, I didn’t notice that, good catch.

5. This is one that actually does not interest me. First time for everything! Look forward to reading everyone else’s opinions on it though, for sure.

6. I like S&W revolvers. I have a few. I’ve a little experience with the X-Frame, but not much. I’ll tell you this. It’s big. N-frame is enough for me considering where I live what I’m likely to need to shoot.

7. I’m wondering about the terminal ballistics of the bullets from this short pipe. If the factory 355 rifle bullets don’t expand at revolver velocities, you may have to load 9mm bullets to get decent expansion. I’d like to see some of S&W’s numbers as they developed this thing.

   • 9mm pistol bullets would be considered frangible ammo in these.

   • They absolutely will expand at the velocities the revolver will produce.

     The question is how far you can shoot before they stop expanding reliably.

     A conservative estimate of the velocity out of this revolver would have Winchester Deer Season XP impact a target at 50 yards with greater energy than from a 16″ barrel at 200 yards or a 20″ barrel at 250 yards.

     • Actually, I used the wrong BC in that calculation. Winchester doesn’t make it easy to find. It’s more like 150 yards from a 16″ barrel and 175 yards from a 20″ barrel.

       As in, at 50 yards with this revolver you’ll have more velocity than rifles with barrels of those lengths at those distances.

8. I prefer rimmed cartridges in revolvers.
   With rimless rounds, if you lose your moon clips (or if those fragile moon clips get bent), then your gun becomes just a paperweight, no matter how many cartridges you have with you!

   Bring back .357 Maximum revolvers or make some double-action .30-30 revolvers.
   They have the same power as 350 Legend and can hunt the same game, but with a rimmed cartridge better suited for revolvers.

   • I had heard they quit the .357 maximum because when loaded to it’s potential it was flame cutting the top straps.

     The problem with rifle caliber revolvers is you’re not going to get it’s full potential unless you hand load with very quick burning rifle powders or very slow burning pistol powders.

     • “…flame cutting the top straps.”

       Yes, that was a significant problem with the Rugers, but not so much the Dan Wessons. I read somewhere that ball powders behind lighter bullets tend to cut more. My DW is in 445 SM, a whole different beast, but I shoot the 357 out of a 10” Contender. Been a while, dadgummit, now my trigger finger is getting itchy…

9. while it’s nice to have options I don’t see a revolver chambered in 350 legend in my future. Between 22lr to 460 Mag I doubt there is anything this cartridge has to offer that I can’t do with something I already have in a revolver.

   • Justin, would that .460 revolver be a G&A Spl., or a Weatherby magnum? Either would be a hell of a revolver. Just kidding. I know what you meant.

10. I am really curious what sort of muzzle velocities a revolver (with cylinder gap) and 7.5-inch barrel will produce.

    A rifle with 20-inch barrel shooting a 160 grain bullet is supposed to have a muzzle velocity of 2,300 feet-per-second. My wild-a$$ guess is that you would see a muzzle velocity of around 1,700 feet-per-second out of this revolver.

    I suppose that is pretty good for hunting medium-sized game as this article suggests–perhaps to a maximum ethical range of 50 yards???

    In terms of handgun hunting beyond archery range, I would stick with .44 Magnum–especially if you are going with an X-frame and that price tag.

    • A 160gr @ 1700fps wouldn’t have any more oomph than most any standard off the shelf .44mag ammo out of a 7-1/2″ barrel.

    • For reference, my 357 Max throws a 180 grain Hornady SPSSP bullet to 1650 fps from the 10” Contender and will reliably ventilate an Ohio whitetail out to 125 yards. The 147 grain XTP BTHP would crack 2000 fps and shoots through the same hole at 25 yards, but that’s likely a mite fast for that bullet on a deer, as noted above.

    • You should see closer to 1,900fps, maybe a tiny bit more.

11. Pretty sure my Marlin 336 weights less than 71-1/2 ounces.

12. When S&W will stop castrating their revolvers with the stupid internal locks?

    • Probably when someone looses the blackmail documents of the S&W executives.

13. If you want/need a S&W big boy revolver, then S&W 500, 8-3/8” barrel. Or maybe the 460. Rifle cartridges belong in rifles. IMO.

14. YEP , V460 OR A 350 , GETTING OLD IS A BUMMER , DON’T THINK RIGHT HAND CAN HANDLE IT AND RIGHT ARM DISABILITY ..
    HAVE BIT TIME HANG ON TO 357 ,,, ONCE ABOUT A TIME …

15. THANKS FOR ARTICLE , INFOR ALWAYS

16. Nice to see it comes equipped with a “Hillary Hole”.

17. Great. Just what we need- a shorter barrelled deer crippler. While I haven’t joined the deer caliber du jour, I have 3 friends that have taken venison with the .350 legend in 16″ and 20″ bbls at various ranges and none of them were impressed with the knockdown of the round.

    I’ll stick with my Model 29 when using a handgun. Even scoped, it’s easy to pack and bring to bear, particularly on a moving target, which many Iowa and Minnesota deer always seem to be.

    • Craig in IA,

      “I have 3 friends that have taken venison with the .350 legend in 16″ and 20″ bbls at various ranges and none of them were impressed with the knockdown of the round.”

      I imagine that bullet design (with respect to terminal ballistics on mammals) is the key factor. Everyone agrees that .30-30 Winchester (where 150 grain, .30 caliber bullets will often impact a white-tailed deer at less than 1,900 feet per second) is a serious deer-slayer. The .350 Legend with similar ballistics (and a slightly larger diameter bullet) should do the same. If it is not, then bullet design is probably at fault.

      This may be similar to widespread reports that .44 Magnum 180 grain hollowpoints fired out of rifles perform exceptionally poorly on white-tailed deer. Conventional wisdom says that those hollowpoints are designed to expand on impact velocities that occur when fired from short handgun barrels. That being the case, those hollowpoints, when shot out of rifle barrels and attaining muzzle velocities upwards of 2,200 feet-per-second, tend to blow-up into several tiny pieces on impact with a deer which fail to penetrate any significant distance. Thus, even though said hollowpoint creates an impressive surface wound, deer nevertheless run a very long distance.

      I can tell you from a good amount of personal experience with .44 Magnum softpoint bullets shot out of rifles: white-tailed deer do not run very far after a broadside shot to the vitals. On average I would say that a white-tailed deer runs about 60 yards after a 240 grain softpoint bullet hits them. The farthest that I have ever seen is a very large buck run about 125 yards after taking a devastating hit.

      Having said all that, my father-in-law put a perfect shot on a buck with a 20 gauge slug at close range and that buck ran almost 250 yards before expiring. And my cousin put a perfect shot on a 70-pound yearling with a .50 caliber muzzleloader at close range and that deer ran at least 35 yards before keeling over. Sometimes white-tailed deer run a LONG ways after taking a perfect shot with perfect bullet terminal performance.

18. I remember those S&W Scandium super light weight 357 snub revolvers. I tried it. Npt pleasant . id rather get for the money, the XVR for 3 rd diversity. Or a Bone Collector for that price.

19. It would be better to chamber it in .30 Carbine, as you wouldn’t need such a giant (X-frame) revolver. In fact, Ruger still makes one, for half the price!

    Ruger’s New Model Blackhawk chambered in .30 Carbine (MODEL NUMBER: 0505) is much lighter (46 oz. instead of 71.5 oz), the same length, and half the price!
    Of course, the Ruger is single-action and only holds 6 rounds, but if you’re using it for hunting, 6 rounds of SA is good enough.
    The .30 Carbine is at least as powerful than 10mm and has more penetration.
    If S&W would chamber their X-frame revolver in .30 Carbine, it could be an 8-shot revolver, easily.

    • .30 Carbine is inferior to .357 Magnum in every way except cartridge diameter, and the Ruger in .30 Carbine doesn’t have greater capacity than the .357 version. It’s really just a gimmick.

      Sure, a .30 Carbine revolver with greater capacity than the equivalent .357 Magnum would be interesting, but that’s an entirely different beast than .350 Legend, which is much more powerful than .357 Magnum while .30 Carbine is weaker, especially out of a revolver length barrel.

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