Maybe things are even better than we thought: Total US Firearms: Not 300 Million, but 412-660 Million? – “We believe that the correct number is much higher — somewhere between 412 and 660 million. You may wonder how we came to that number, so buckle up (and cringe, if you’re a math-phobe, although it never gets too theoretical): unlike most of the academics and reporters we linked above, we’re going to use publicly available data, and show our work. What if we told you that one ATF computer system logged, by serial number, 252,000,000 unique firearms, and represented only those firearms manufactured, imported or sold by a relatively small number of the nation’s tens of thousands of Federal Firearms Licensees?”
Unintended consequences of dim bulb legislation: Illinois Ammo Serialization Bill Would Affect Gun Owners, Anti-Gunners Alike – “Illinois residents in favor of the serialized ammo bill currently being pushed, take note: Even if you don’t own a gun, the half-cent-per-round tax will likely hit you in the pocketbook. “Authored by state Rep. Sonya Harper, ostensibly to trace ammunition used by gang members, the measure would require all ammunition sold in Illinois to be imprinted with a serial number, with the proceeds from the tax financing a new tracking database.” Those increased costs will be passed on to law enforcement agencies, too.
Winchester unveils winchestertv.com, debuting October 26: When you think of Winchester, your mind doesn’t generally go to big city living in hustling and bustling towns with infinite stoplights … it goes to small-town America, where a firearm is more than just a tool and ammunition is more than just bullets in brass casings. Winchester is a way of life, a life that has the stories to back it, and a bright future ahead. A life to be proud of, built on heritage, family traditions and some of the most innovative products ever introduced for hunters and sportsmen around the world. Winchester Life, the first all-digital series in the brand’s history, highlights this way of life and the hardworking men and women that live it every day. The hosts will take a back seat to the beauty of small town America and locations where hunting and shooting sports are treasured pastimes.
Kim Kardashian Tells Khloe Not to Make Gun Gesture in Eerie Pre-Robbery Clip: ‘I Really Hate Guns’ – “Kim Kardashian expressed her dislike for guns during the Keeping Up With the Kardashians season 12 midseason premiere on Sunday, October 23, which was taped weeks before she was robbed at gunpoint in Paris on October 3. In the episode, Kim is talking to her mom, Kris Jenner, and sister Khloé Kardashian about Kanye West’s “Famous” music video when Khloé jokingly makes a gun gesture at Kim with her hand.” Queue the world’s smallest violin.
Watch 2 Chainz Poorly Handle Incredibly Expensive Guns – “2 Chainz searching across the country for the “Most Expensivest Shit” around has quickly become one of the most reliably entertaining web series around. For the latest episode of the GQ series, the rapper takes on the wide world of weaponry by toying with some of the most pricey guns on the market.” Yeah, well he’s hardly alone. Most gun retailers can tell you stories that will make your hair curl.
The value of gun-toting film stars – “But gun-toting may bring actors more than just moral satisfaction. The number of different guns an actor has handled in films is strongly correlated with Ulmer scores, which measure an actor’s bankability—or ability to draw financing—on a scale from 0 to 300. This trend holds even when controlling for the total number of acting credits. Denzel Washington seems to hold a different gun in each movie in which he stars.”
Strike Industries is proud to introduce our improved 7-position (That’s right not 6 position but 7) Aluminum receiver extension MIL-SPEC diameter buffer tube. It will allow users to have finer control of their length of pull. If you have ever felt that your length of pull was in between two settings on a standard buffer tube, this is for you! The tube’s shortest length of pull position is as compact as a fully collapsed M4 carbine butt stock while its longest 7th position stretches the stock to be slightly longer than that of an M16A2 fixed stock.
Are the Kardashians even still relevant?
Were they ever?
When were they ever??
Who was what, now?
If memory serves Who was first baseman while What played centerfield.
Don’t think so. Argument began with the question “Who’s on first?” followed by disagreement.
jwm, What played second base and I Don’t Know played third. 8>)
It’s obvious you payed way more attention to the Stanley Cup than I did. 🙂
Seems I’m early to the comments, might as well leave this here.
Latest long-form Project Veritas video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUBrZItwVy4
Around 14:50 Robert Creamer, who has been a consultant for both Obama and Hillary, talks about helping on “issue campaigns” that Hillary and Obama have been involved in, including “trying to make america more like Britain when it comes to gun violence issues”.
Not exactly relevant to the post, just thought it was an interesting nugget that came out today.
I bet barry sold at least 250 million of those guns. I wonder if the buying will slow down with Trump in the white house?
Trump in the White House! Only if Putin steals it for him!
You might want to add another layer of tin foil to that hat of yours. Or play the choking game a little less.
Anti-Trump idiots:
“Voter fraud is a myth!”
“Trump can only win if the Russians hack EVERYTHING and steal it!”
might want to play the choking game a bit more…most folks with more than two brain cells to rub together dont want hillary in there. Trump may not be much better but at least he isnt a crook.
Kim Kardashian only hates other people’s guns.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/06/article-2274377-1761C97A000005DC-569_634x563.jpg
660000000 guns you don’t say? Half cent ammo tax? I have NEVER been asked for ID buying ammo in Indiana unless I volunteer( at Cabelas) to get a discount. Anywho I just saw a great deal on a used Ruger lc9 at a local gunshop(appears to be near mint) -should I pull the trigger? I know the trigger isn’t supposed to be great but it seemed good to me…
In my experience, no matter how good a trigger you put in there, it would be pointless because it’s too small to grip well. May be an issue with pocket pistols and my hands in general though.
I second this opinion.
My wife hand an LC9 for all of 24 hours. She put a couple mags through it, as did I, before we determined it wasn’t a gun for either of us. The stock trigger is longer than War and Peace and the grip on the gun means that even in my wife’s hands, she really had to change her grip part way though the trigger pull in order to actually pull the trigger completely. I had the same problem on steroids.
IMHO, Nanshi is right. The grip on the gun is really only useful for the smallest of hands (my wife’s are pretty small and her’s were still too big). If you don’t have the hands for that gun the trigger won’t matter much.
Personally I’m not a big fan of small guns like the LC9 because I have largish hands but that gun was replaced by a XDs 3.3 in .45. It’s a lot better ergos. I’m no big fan of it but I can shoot it quite well, unlike the LC9. My wife finds it much better as well. It just fits her hands.
They DO have extended 9 round mags available(extends very well). It’s not a range toy so I can deal with that.I’ve had a TCP and Keltec PF9 and had no problem hanging on to it…oddly shot the TCP extremely well(hated the Keltec).
For me it wasn’t a problem with the length of the grip.
It was the thickness of the grip, combined with the width of the grip, combined with the position of the tang, combined with the angles on the backstrap. It was a clusterfuck of griptardation from my POV. I could have learned to use it but it wasn’t worth my time. The wife felt the same way. It had maybe 30 rounds through it the day we got it and it was sold the next morning.
Hey, if it fits your hand, it fits your hand. I would say it’s surely a “try before you buy” type of gun. If you like it though, go ahead and rock it! It never showed me any reliability issues. Went bang every time. 9mm will kill ’em dead so no worries on that either.
I’m never going to tell someone not to use a certain gun or style of gun unless I have good information that it’s generally unsafe. (Looking at you homemade potato gun with “Strych9” painted on your side).
I really like the LC9s (striker fired version) and shoot it well.
I haven’t shot a non ‘s’ lc9 but the LC9s is a sweet shooting gun. And it does fit my hand and my wife’s hand fine. Best advise is try before you buy. Or at minimum, dry fire a bunch of different types at a gun store.
The regular LC9 is a great CCW. Thin and with a stout trigger. I prefer the non “s” verisimilitude because they are very cheap, $200 OTD around here for a used one. Same with the older LCPs. Just less lightly to have a ND. Trigger pull is still less than my SP101 or 642.
I recommend the Shield and my wife recommends the 43.
How do we get guns to the other 66900000?
Billlion guns. Easy.
Nobody says “crimes against the proletariat” anymore. Are you a time traveler from Russia circa 1937?
Given the stellar performance of “microstamping” I expect that Rep. Sonya Harper’s legislation will finally turn the tide in Chiraq.
Does anyone know how many rounds of ammunition (all types) are sold in Illinois annually and if this legislation will apply to shotshells and how?
All we have to do is make certain the taxpayer understands he will be paying for this. There will have to be entirely new agencies, hundreds of new people hired, someone designing a program to maintain records of all ammo ever sold (since if I buy a box and shoot it all next week, the state will still have to maintain a record until the ammo wouldn’t reliably fire any more if I kept it, probably 200 years), and figuring a way to prevent motorists from bringing a few thousand rounds home with them from vacation. Within a few years, costs will be in the tens of billions per year. And it will have accomplished exactly nothing.
Stop whining for your TTAG parents girlfriend. Grow a set and blow back on the dude. You don’t have a tenth of the internet toughness Kankakee (Illini)-Zim or Cali-Zim do.
prom- zim.
That’s a flyweight flame.
It takes some effort to invoke the ‘FLAME DELETED’ hammer, and it really depends on the mood of the hammer-wielders…
That serialized ammo bill has an interesting provision in it, it impacts the non-gun public because it requires all police non-serialized ammunition to be destroyed.
Care to guess what the penalty will likely be for all non-serialized ammo?
“… ostensibly to trace ammunition used by gang members, the measure would require all ammunition sold in Illinois to be imprinted with a serial number …”
What good is that when local city council members actually coordinate with the gangs for votes???
“When you think of Winchester, your mind doesn’t generally go to big city living in hustling and bustling towns with infinite stoplights”
Actually, when I think of Winchester, I think of Japan where so many of their guns are made.
Haven’t seen a Japanese Winchester yet, just Turkish ones. Kinda hard to consider them as American as apple pie when they no longer employ american craftsmen and despite the decent quality of the guns coming out of Turkey these days that sticks in my craw just enough to keep me from pulling out my wallet. Still wouldn’t mind a deal on a model 94 made circa the 60s to the 80s – no 90s vintage, push button safeties were a blasphemy.
For those interested in the actual Bill
HB6615
Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that beginning January 1, 2018, all handgun ammunition that is manufactured, imported into the State for sale or personal use, kept for sale, offered or exposed for sale, sold, given, lent, or possessed shall be serialized. Provides that beginning January 1, 2018, any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, imports into the State for sale or personal use, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Provides that beginning January 1, 2018, any person who possesses in any public place any handgun ammunition that is not serialized is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor. Provides exceptions. Provides that beginning January 1, 2018, the Department of State Police shall maintain a centralized registry of all reports of handgun ammunition transactions reported to the Department in a manner prescribed by the Department. Provides that information in the registry, upon proper application for that information, shall be furnished to peace officers and authorized employees of the Department of State Police or to the person listed in the registry as the owner of the particular handgun ammunition. Provides that the Department of State Police shall adopt rules relating to the assessment and collection of end-user fees in an amount not to exceed $0.005 per round of handgun ammunition or per bullet, in which the accumulated fee amount may not exceed the cost to pay for the infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of these provisions. Effective January 1, 2018, except some provisions effective immediately.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=6615&GAID=13&GA=99&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=98494&SessionID=88
The bill is ridiculous and isn’t going to pass, but it does show the depths of ignorance of many anti-gun legislators.
Well, they’d probably get a whole lot of ammo back that way… Real quickly, like measured in FPS quick
God help us, what a pile of S**T. I have never seen anything so silly in my life. putting serial numbers on ammo? That is ludicrous. Dont understand the need or desire to do that when it is all to easy to identify what gun shot any given recovered slug with some basic labwork. The serialized slugs would likely be deformed enough you could not read the numbers off of them, and the brass…well any damn fool would police their brass if they were involved in a shooting if they could, or use a revolver so they dont have to. This is a clear indication that the people making the laws are more ignorant than the rest of us and therefor should be removed from office. Put someone in with some brains for god’s sake
How about the moderator deleting this post and banning the poster. What a tool/troll. Go crawl back under your rock.
Seconded.
What the hell is this? I get trolling, but this is just tourette-esque word diarrhea. Is this what the kids are up to nowadays?
Following the math, then doing my own version, I get about 520 million guns, of which 20 million or so probably ought to remain as display items. But that’s a half billion functional pieces.
Though I’d like to be wrong and have the upper figure he gives as correct — that would be a well-armed Republic. Now if we could just get the unarmed part of the population to acquire proportionally as many, we’d be looking good.
Beware of correlations that depend on a few outlying data points. If you take out Daniel Craig, Denzel Washington, Bruce Willis and the unidentified actor next to Willis, I no longer can see a statistically significant correlation.
That was my thought, too. That “trend line” is kind of a joke on that scattered dataset.
gray semi hipster couldn’t hold it in any longer.
FLAME DELETED
Psychopaths don’t have a style, matt.
Aha! You were matt, weren’t you Cali-Zim! You were creating and responding to drama back then until half of you was banned. You are such a racist.
gray dude, is your gruppenfuhrer telling you how to lie better while you’re polishing his boots?
Wow graygay you ARE completely insane…referring to Matt the mod. Did you claim you reproduced? I’m so sorry for your spawn…
Serializing ammo is asinine. Before long, the serial number would be so long it would be nearly impossible to put it somewhere that would remain legible after firing. It would have to be on the headstamp.
Think about it this way. If we do have nearly a half billion guns in the US, and each were used to fire a single shot annually, the minimum length of a numerical serial is 9 digits, or 6 for alphanumerical. Remember though, that’s just one shot each.
Also, this ignores the possibility of reloading. They may try to fix this “loophole” by requiring cases that fail during firing, but this would likely cause additional wear on the gun (to them that would be a feature, not a bug)
Looks to me like it effectively bans reloading.
Think of the record keeping. I have a box of .357 Mag downstairs that I gave to my son on his 21st birthday, 21 years ago now, along with my last Python. He now stores it in my safe. The reason I know that is that it is Black Talon .357 Mag ammo, which I bought simply to thumb my nose at the loonies demanding it be removed from the non-LEO market as being “cop killer bullets”, pretty sure they were the first that stupid label was attached to, around 1980. I expect to still have them when I die. OTOH, there are probably a hundred boxes of other .357 Mag ammo which I bought and promptly fired. The state would nave no idea which I still hold and which I fired, would have to maintain records on all of them, plus 6-8 other types of ammo both pistol and rifle, probably hundreds of thousands of numbered rounds just for *ME*. And I would just love a description of a mechanism by which all those records could ever, under any circumstances, be used to prevent or to solve any kind of crime. “I remember that ammo! It was stolen from my car on the way home.”
Stupid. Just incredibly stupid.
I wonder how long it will be before Kanye and Kourtney are charged with insurance fraud. To me it is clear this is an inside job, whether it be the security or the couple. My bet is on Kanye.
IF that law gets passed, its a toss up of whether Canada or Mexico will become my new home.
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