Steiner Announces The New MPS Micro Pistol Sight

1. Nice, over priced, but nice.

   “The sight window is completely sealed and nitrogen filled protecting the roof-mounted 3.3 MOA emitter from weather and water down to 10 meters.”

   Yeah, and still, like other such sights and red dots in general, will fog up on the outside of the glass when you go from cold to warm like, for example, cold outside to inside a warm house at which point it becomes useless.

   • “Nice, over priced, but nice.”

     Agreed, but I’d like to know, why is a product announcement filed as an op-ed?

     • Why ask why? Yeah it’s cool but a thousand bucks!?! I’m getting night sights but dang. High end is reserved for my rifle(and long distance). Free Kyle!

       • I recently put some XS sights on one of my Glocks. So far I like them. Target focus acquisition seems faster with them.

     • WordPress’s default category is op-ed. I screwed up and didn’t click gear news. Mea culpa.

       • You’re cool… 😉

       • Dan,
         Priced on steiner’s site at $574.99 msrp

   • My brain saw “new MP5 sight” so I clicked. I don’t know why the MP-FIVE would need a special site, but I was willing to check it out. Oops, it’s just a pistol mounted red dot.

     I guess this one’s not made in China with most of the other ones… Still, I think it surpasses the aimpoint acro in price.

     • That combination just looks right.

       That Beretta APX just looks good and pops in those photos.

       Nice lines.

2. Steiner makes good stuff and the (few) people I know that have their products love them. Guessing this new red dot sight is in the same category. A little beyond my slightly meager means though.

   Pointless bit of info that I haven’t seen posted almost any firearm website is that CZ-USA is suing Vista Outdoors for the failed acquisition of Savage Arms.

   https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2021/11/01/vista-outdoor-cz-usa-firearms-acquisition-lawsuit.html

   Make one wonder if that acquisition had happened, would have CZ bought Colt?

3. Micro? Looks like a frickin brick setting on top of that pistol.

   • ^ This.

     Seems nice though. Nice and… big.

     Macro red dot?

     • 😂🤣😅🤣🤣😅🤣🤣, macro for sure

   • ^^Super this^^

     Way too big. I don’t care if it’s free…I won’t be putting that huge Lego brick on any of my guns.

     • Happy Veterans’ Day to Haz, Geoff and every other bitchmade coward who did everything in his power to avoid military service. Enjoy the freedom that real men fought for, cowards 🖕🤡.

       • Lighten up…Francis.

       • LOL, Hail, there’s something you don’t know in regards to your comment about my background.

         I know it, but you don’t. I sleep well at night knowing it. And that’s enough for me.

       • Ah, the ‘I did some stuff that I can’t talk about’ line. I’ve heard that one from literally dozens of Stolen Valor chumps. I didn’t think you were part the Stolen Valor vermin. Oh well. Sleep well with your lies I guess…

       • And yet I continue to sleep well, Hail, while you continue to be clueless…

4. “Micro” – Not.

5. Speaking of micro red dots… I’m going to trying out a Leupold DeltaPoint Micro. A friend has one but the gun he got it for hasn’t arrived yet so he let me mount it on one of my Glocks and we’re going to range Saturday to check it out. Has anyone used one yet?

   • Have a DeltaPoint Pro that I’ve been using for a couple of years. Outstanding sight! It has been durable, reliable and is not “brick” sized.

     Please let us know how you like the Micro version…not totally convinced that I want to replace the physical rear sight with an optic.

     • Karl over on inrangetv has a couple of videos using it. You should check them out.

   • @Old Guy in Montana & Scott C.

     Thank you both.

   • All my deer rifles have Leupold glass, but I didn’t realize they make micros for handguns. My LASD buddies have been singing the praises of the Holosun 509 on their guns. If you end up trying the LDM, let us know about it.

     • Saturday when I come back from checking it out at the range I’ll post my impressions and thoughts about it here.

       • Ok, went to the range to fire the Leupold DeltaPoint Micro. You can call this a review if you like, but its not intended as one.

         Found the DeltaPoint Micro a little disappointing in use. My main first concern for a hand gun and sights is the capability for self/home defense so that’s the aspect I’m looking at here.

         In fast close range engagement, like over 95% of self-defense engagements ’cause you don’t really get a chance to aim very often, the red dot portion is useless. But the aperture does form a useful “ghost ring” sight. With the DeltaPoint Micro if you see nothing but “bad guy” in the “ghost ring” usage at about 7 yards you’re gonna hit him/her. But the “ghost ring” aspect is not really an intended use aspect for this sight and it just works out that way due to the design, size, and shape.

         What they are selling is the “red dot sight” aspect and its not truly that. One you get your hands on one and use it you will realize its actually a fancy way to replace the back open iron sight with an “rear open iron sight” represented by the red dot and not be a “red dot sight” at all in other than name.

         The principal at play here is still iron sight type alignment with the target. The red dot sits right on top of the front sight and centered in the aperture so you end up with, in effect, an alignment like you would with open standard iron front-rear sights properly aligned. If you really need the dot to tell you where the front sight is at due to old eyes or another need it would maybe be an advantage to have it if the small aperture is OK for you. If you are already fast “kill the target” proficient, or just proficient, with open iron sights or even a standard red dot this product is not going to bring anything useful to you in that aspect so save your money.

         Using the thing left me with some thoughts, mostly one that focused around “why would anyone pay $400.00 for this?”

         Duh. I can already use open iron sights to do this just by aligning the sights. I can add a rear iron sight ghost ring and duplicate this sights “ghost ring” concept for fast close engagement. So why would I lay out $400.00 for this when regular iron sights or a rear ghost ring iron sight are cheaper and do the same thing for me?

         My friend was joking about the $400.00 Ghost Ring sight he had purchased. I told him I could do a Ghost Ring cheaper. So I removed the DeltaPoint Micro and cut a 1/4 piece of large diameter soda straw from his drink straw and put a wad of tape on the bottom of it to add a little height and taped it centered across the rear dovetail slot as straight and centered and level as I could eyeball it so we could aim down the slide with it. Got the same ghost ring effect for hitting the target as we did with the DeltaPoint but the soda straw shots slightly a little to the left of center of center mass almost an inch – damn it, I needed to “zero” (yes, ok, I admit, it was just pure blind luck it worked out that way). I told him I would sell that “straw” Ghost Ring to him for $200.00.

         Unless you are one of those people that just has to have it just for the bragging rights or are paid in some way to “review” it or there is a real need to replace the rear sight with a red-dot representation (e.g. fading vision acuity), the DeltaPoint Micro is more in the range toy department but someone or some review of course will claim its the best thing since sliced pop corn and ya just gotta have it.

         Would I buy one myself? Maybe if I was burdened with fading vision acuity if I wanted to spend $400.00 but a normal red dot would be better then for less.

         After shooting with it today my friend is going to return it. Overall its one of those things that sounds better, but not as great as what you thought it was but still useful in some aspect maybe to some.

         The rear battery compartment … I kept wanting to look at it, irritated me a little. But maybe takes some getting used to. Its like one of those those things you just learn to live with cause you’re stuck with it.

       • @.40 cal Booger

         Thank you. Your comments confirmed my guess as to the limited usefulness of this RDS. I do NOT want to replace my iron rear sight with a hard-to-find-the-dot ghost ring that has a distracting battery pack competing for my attention.

         My visual acuity is not what it was 25 years ago. I have always poo poo’d the use of a laser sight on a pistol…that said, six months ago I purchased one of the Olight Baldr Mini weapon light / lasers (after reading Dan Z’s review in April, 2021). It is on my nightstand weapon. I have been training myself to look for the laser dot rather than try to acquire sights in the darkness of my home. The laser dot is sighted for 15 yds which covers all the distances in my home. I can hold the firearm in front of me (head up, both eyes open, two handed grip, elbows tucked to sides forming an Isosceles triangle) below my eyeline and still score fast, consistent hits on targets using the laser dot for sighting reference. I’ve tried it on .45 ACP and 9 mm pistols and decided to keep it on the bedside 9. I like it so much that I’m considering purchasing another one with the green laser. Yes, I know that they are Chinese made…but, the doggone thing has some smart engineering and works well.

       • @Old Guy in Montana

         My vision is still pretty good. But I do use lasers on my some of my hand guns, rifles, and shotguns. I’ve got some Olight weapon lights without laser, Chinese made yes, but they have been good products and never had a moment of problem with them. I prefer my lasers to be stand alone and not part of the weapon light.

         The red is ok for inside the home, outside in daylight not so much but less bright lighting conditions its ok. I’ve tried red in the past and it was ok if things were not very bright but I’ve switched over to green as its easier to see and quicker to pick up in brighter conditions.

         I zero my handgun lasers for 15 yards too. But for the rifles and shotguns I use a parallel zero with the laser mounted on top so its always visible and not hidden by the weapon or barrel at any point.

6. Ugly and huge. There are smaller red/green dots on the market that withstand incredible abuse for $400.

7. Learn your iron sites first. And learn them well. Before you invest and become dependent on an expensive optic. In the army, I was trained to hit a man size target out to 800 meters with just iron sites. I got pretty good at it too. And I was not raised with guns.
   I have optics for some of my guns. But I spend most of my shooting with iron sites.

   I understand older people getting an optic. But the new gun owners buying a gun equiped with a optic are making a mistake.

   • Thank you for your service, Chris…

     By the way, were you a Red Leg or a Yellow Leg? Must have been one or the other, because the Army hasn’t had 800 meter RIFLE targets since before the Army discovered meters!

     • 300 meters!!!
       My memory fades.
       (smile)

8. If that’s a “Micro” pistol sight, I now know where the engineer who designed the Bradley Fighting Vehicle went to work after he left United Defense.

   • “Micro” is more of a ‘generalized use’ marketing term in the gun world for manufacturers. Its not applied in the common understand of “small”. Its applied in the general sense that a product has dimensions (and/or weight) which are “less” than something else like a previous product or a marketing trend product.

     Electronic sighting optics, in the sense of red dot types optics, are marketing trend products, and the Steiner sight here is smaller/lighter than a previous product of theirs and area wise is smaller than some other marketing trend products thus “Micro”

9. This article says, “MSRP: $1039.99”.
   Steiner website says, “MSRP: $574.99” (the website in the link from this article!)
   How do you explain the huge difference?

   Make it in green, and I’ll consider it.
   My eyes have astigmatism with red or amber dots, but green dots appear sharp to my eyes.

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