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As I mentioned a couple days ago, the Texas Homeland Security and Public Safety committee held hearings yesterday on the proposed legislation that would allow permit holders to carry concealed firearms on Texas university campuses. There was a rather large showing from both sides of the issue, so much so that they had to open an “overflow” room to give everyone a seat. Nevertheless, I stuck it out and added my voice to the conversation . . .

The vast and overwhelming majority of people opposed to this legislation cited the old party line that allowing guns in classrooms would stifle debate. You know the routine; kids in class would be afraid that another student with a gun would disagree so violently with the discussion taking place that they would whip out their weapon and start shooting. That they would feel scared in such an environment, and it wouldn’t be conducive to learning.

I’m not sure how many of the psych students testifying stopped to consider whether any of that fear was due to projection on their part, but nevertheless they parroted that line of argument over and over again. Despite the fact that concealed carry holders are five times less likely to commit a murder than the average citizen.

The rebuttal from the other side of the aisle was that gun free zones made those students with CHLs feel unsafe due to the lack of security, and that their feelings were just as valid as those who were (wrongly?) afraid of students popping a cap in their ass for overly vigorous classroom debate.

Another popular argument was the old chestnut about how since college kids are all drunk and stoned, they can’t possibly be responsible enough to handle a concealed firearm. Which is the same argument (albeit dressed a little differently) as saying all poor people and those who don’t live in cities are too dumb for their own good and can’t be trusted with guns. It’s an elitist argument for denying the right to self defense because the student/hick/low-income individual is perceived as being below the observer in terms of intelligence and responsibility. That’s pretty much as arrogant as it gets.

Also popular (as ever) was the purely emotional argument. In fact, one group of ladies argued that letting guns onto college campuses would make professors “sitting ducks.” And they illustrated this point by handing out rubber duckies to the committee members, asking them to remember the ducks when making their decision. There was no mention of the faculty members whose lives could have been saved if they had been carrying a gun, or the fact that illegal guns are already on campus every day. Just the incoherent argument that students might go crazy and therefore shouldn’t have guns.

The last frequently heard argument pointed out that if trained police officers can miss their target so often, then the average student would only be worse, causing more harm than good. And that argument led directly into my testimony.

I signed up late, so I was the second to last speaker on the schedule. However, I like to think I did a pretty damn good job if I do say so myself. Drawing on my (now rusty) debate club skills, I stood up and gave the committee a synopsis of the simulated school shooting experiment we ran not too long ago, providing the highlights as they pertained to the proposed legislation. When I had finished, more than one person on the committee was asking me for a copy of the full results, as well as a number of audience members.

As I walked back to my seat, person after person came up to me to shake my hand for presenting some relevant and factual data for the debate instead of trotting out the usual talking points. Including one rather cute girl who was with the Texas Firearms Freedom group (if you’re reading, what’s your number?).

From what I could tell, it looks like the committee will pass these bills onto the full house for a vote. There were two solid members who appeared to have already made up their mind in favor of the bills, and nodded along with the pro-carry testimony. For the rest, none of them seemed particularly moved by the anti-carry folks. The real question is whether this will make it through the full house and senate this year.

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27 COMMENTS

    • Oh Nick isn’t that bad! Least I like to think not LMAO!

      Nick great job!
      We have a committee hearing on the couple of bills in CA coming up. Those are to strip our rights not add to them. I will do my best to be in Sacramento on the 16th to make sure our voices our heard.

  2. Way to go Nick..sounds like you did a great job. I came close last year, maybe it will pass this time with good input from folks like you.

  3. The College Classroom will be the last and hardest battleground for the RKBA.
    University boards and state governments have chummy relationships , and no bueaucracy yields power willingly.
    Good work on making life a little safer for future Texan students.

        • Just sharing the wealth. It started going through my head as soon as I read Nick’s original query.

        • Hey Nick just post a picture of her on here!! You did get a picture right?? After we see her then we can work on her number!!! Beechwood 4-5789 my ass, numbers that matter for her are from 1-10,maybe even 11!!!
          Congrats and thank you for your testimony Nick. Even tho I don’t live in TX anymore I still have family and friends there and some are in college!!

  5. Good job Nick. Last night in Minnesota Senator Latz threatened to throw people out of the hearing if they nodded or shook their heads during testimony.

  7. Thanks for taking time to expand 2A rights – or should I say – to help others respect the 2A as much as you do.

  9. Our current problems notwithstanding, at least here in Colorado we can carry on state university/college campus. A recent bill to *prohibit* it was killed.

    Oh – and we can open carry, too (offer void in City and County of Denver).

  11. Including one rather cute girl who was with the Texas Firearms Freedom group (if you’re reading, what’s your number?).

    ROFL. What up, playa?

  12. The illogic of the argument that guns in classrooms will lead to shootouts after heated debates is demonstrated by the simple fact that heated debates have been going on in college classrooms for decades if not centuries, and yet we do not seem to have any issue with fisticuffs and knife fights, both of which have been available to all students at all relevant times, and will continue to be available even if campus carry is prohibited. Guns will change nothing.
    The argument that the typical party dood college frat guy cannot be trusted with a handgun is essentially eliminated by the fact, always overlooked, that you have to be at least 21 to get a carry permit–so seniors or grad students will be the only ones carrying. Not a group generally associated with the typical “the party ended when the police showed up” college crowd.
    The argument by mental health professionals that the availabiity of guns will incease the risks associated with suicides–which is a very significant problem on college campuses–fails for the same reason; the most vulnerable group will still be precluded from possessing firearms.

    • Yah, but if the antis used logic and reason in their arguments
      they’d fall apart on their own.

  13. > kids in class would be afraid that another student
    > with a gun would disagree so violently . . .
    > Despite the fact that concealed carry holders are five
    > times less likely to commit a murder than the average citizen.

    So if I epxress a fear of black students — because blacks are two to five times more likely to commit a murder than the average citizen — liberals would want to ban blacks from college campuses?

  14. nick..what was with that drone chick from scotland you know the “occupy NRA” one she was probably the worst speaker i ever heard all she did was babble…and babble and babble…I thought the old vet in the wheel chair presented himself pretty good…a little emotional but never the less he made his point

  15. Solicitation on the intraweb? This is not what Mr. Gore had envisioned for his beloved invention.

  16. I baffles my mind that these people fail to understand that just because someone lacks a piece of paper that says “Concealed Handgun License” it will somehow prevent them from possessing a handgun.

    It sickens me that these peoples votes count the same as mine does… and that there are more of them.

  17. Good job Nick, thanks for representing those of us that couldn’t be there. was this hearing just on the campus carry issue, or was the open carry provision talked about?

    That said, I don’t have high hopes for this, These people couldn’t even agree to get rid of the stupid front license plate law.

  18. Good job Nick, thanks for representing those of us that couldn’t be there. was this hearing just on the campus carry issue, or was the open carry provision talked about?
    That said, I don’t have high hopes for this, These people couldn’t even agree to get rid of the stupid front license plate law.

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