From texasarmoring.com:
Many of you have probably seen the new shocking Live Leak video of a motorist driving a Range Rover in New York City. In the video, the driver has a frightening confrontation with a large group of motorcyclists who create a road block by surrounding the vehicle, repeatedly try to force open the car doors, and spawn a chase that lasts several minutes. The chase ends as the driver is violently pulled out of his vehicle and is severely beaten in the street in front of his wife and five-month-old child. Although we don’t have all the facts (see Daily Mail article for more details) and we weren’t able to see what happened before the initial confrontation occurred, from a security perspective, our goal with this post is to analyze the situation and provide important feedback to clients and potential clients regarding how to react if faced with a similar scenario . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4FX8X-VGhY
It’s relevant to note that the man driving the Range Rover was traveling with his wife and small child in the vehicle and likely feared for his life and those of his loved ones while being chased by this pack of motorcyclists. The video begins with a group of bikers surrounding the Range Rover, slowing down in front of it to create a roadblock, and trying to force the vehicle to stop. One of the bikers appears to taunt the driver and intentionally slows down, forcing a small collision to occur. Normally, the right thing to do in the event of a collision is to get out and exchange insurance information—obviously, that’s not a wise decision when you’re surrounded by a gang of angry bikers who apparently hold some ill will against you.
The first mistake we notice in the video is that the man driving the Range Rover (Alexian Lien) allows a forced stop by the gang group of bikers. One of the initial concepts that we teach our clients is to NEVER STOP the vehicle and to always keep moving in the event of an attack.
Fortunately (for Mr. Lien), after one of the motorcyclists tries to open the door to his vehicle, he steps on the gas and temporarily escapes. Unfortunately (for the bikers), the Range Rover made short work of the motley crew and plowed through what appears to be a couple of bikes and one of the riders.
While we don’t know what was happening inside the vehicle after the Range Rover escaped the initial confrontation, our recommended course of action would have been to keep driving on the freeway as long as possible while calling the police and allowing them time to respond and defuse the situation. We don’t know if the driver did that or not, but avoiding a high-speed conflict is always preferable to a tactical Hollywood car chase. While waiting for the police is great, in a dangerous scenario where you’re being chased by bikers, sometimes that isn’t an option.
For our clients, one of the second concepts we teach is to USE YOUR VEHICLE TO YOUR TACTICAL ADVANTAGE—employ evasive driving techniques, ram potential attackers off the road, go off-road if possible where your pursuers can’t follow, and use the defensive capabilities of your car as an offensive deterrent. If the vehicle is equipped, use defensive counter-measures:
– Engage the secure-door-deadbolt-locking system to prevent forced extraction of your, your associates, or your loved ones from the vehicle.
– Active the siren/strobe light system to draw attention, move traffic out of your path, and intimidate/deter attackers.
– Turn on the electric-shocking door handles to keep assailants from opening your doors.
– Deploy the smokescreen system to lose pursuers and mask your getaway.
– Activate the road-spike strip system to burst the tires of your attackers.
– And if all else fails, make good use of your dual ram bumpers and get away by all means necessary.
One of the third concepts that we teach our clients is ALWAYS BE ARMED. Unfortunately, this wasn’t a legal option for Mr. Lien due to NYC’s Draconian, oppressive gun laws. Had Mr. Lien been armed, this entire scenario could have ended much differently and his attackers might have been deterred from the onset of the conflict.
Obviously, the biggest asset that would have helped Mr. Lien to stay safe in this situation and any other life threatening attack while driving is an armored vehicle. Near the end of the video, the bikers eventually force the driver to stop, smash the door windows, pull Mr. Lien out the vehicle, and brutally assault him in front of his wife and infant child.
If Mr. Lien’s vehicle had been armored, the bikers likely would have never been able to penetrate the glass and the vehicle’s occupants could have remained safe inside until help arrived.
Above is a video demonstration showing how armored glass reacts after being struck repeatedly by a hard object and then shot. We took two of our toughest guys, one with armed with a motorcycle helmet like in the video and the other armed with a steel pipe, and let them try to break through the glass. After they gave the glass a beating, we let our sharp shooter blast the window with a 9mm pistol. You can imagine how different Alexian Lien’s experience might have been if his vehicle were armored.
I’m Irish, not British, but we still get a lot of British programming here.
Please don’t send Piers back…
Anyone got a spare $150,000 lying around that they can part with? Nope? Guess an armored-up SUV ain’t exactly in my future. Fortunately, I live in FLA, so I can own and carry a gun.
I find it funny that this is the very advice that I gave on the previous article about the attack, minus the whole armored car bit. Goes to show, you don’t need tactical instruction/training to survive an attack, as I have none. Just a calm head, and the wits to use what is at your disposal.
It is a shame though that they chose to insert shameless advertizing though.
In a running chase a Land Rover might as well be a main battle tank when put up against a moving motorcycle or six. Having spent many a year up on two wheels, I know how vulnerable a bike is. The driver’s only mistake was trying too hard to NOT hurt a biker. He had an overwhelming advantage from the start – he was just too nice a guy to use it.
Having said that, I can still remember the rage I used to feel when some bozo in a four thousand pound vehicle came within an inch of killing me without ever becoming aware of my presence in the lane he suddenly decided he had to occupy.
The thing Piers fears most is to become completely irrelevant, which he’s doing very well to himself (Imus, anyone?). At that point it doesn’t matter where he is. If he’s still over here, at least he’s still kickable.
I was thinking of having my bicycle armored, but then I realized that it might be hard to peddle a two-ton bike uphill. So now I just carry a New York reload. But not in New York, natch.
Rossi R85104 revolver in .357 magnum. I bought it new earlier this year because I had to have a revolver to qualify with, and it was inexpensive. Backed by a lifetime warranty, reviews and anecdotes of improving Taurus/Rossi/Braztech quality, I went for it.
It actually does shoot very accurately, even in double action at 15+ yards; which was pleasantly surprising. The problem is light strikes. Of six rounds in the cylinder, you’re guaranteed to have one, sometimes two, which won’t fire on the first strike. Only ammunition I’ve used is Winchester white box .38 Special, which supposedly isn’t great; but I have used that brand in 45 ACP in another handgun and never had any failure.
None has ever failed to fire upon a second strike in the revolver; but keeping track of cylinder location and circling back to the misfire is very stressful during a qualification. No way I’d trust this thing more highly than as a last line of defense.
I’m a change-the-oil-myself kind of car guy, not a rebuild-the-transmission kind of guy. Same holds for firearms: I clean them well and keep them properly lubed; but I’m not a jack-with-the-trigger/sear/hammer/spring kind of guy. I expect all that crap to work flawlessly out of the box for thousands of rounds. Must be the elevated expectations of quality and reliability stemming from having been raised in the Glock Era.
I’ve been told that he was a pretty heavy smoker and he really didn’t look too healthy in his later photos. So my guess is a heart attack.
I’ll agree that the early stuff was his best – Red October and Red Storm Rising were excellent books. I corresponded with Tom about the USS Newport News as I was on board her when the incident in Without Remorse (if I remember correctly without going through the book) occurred in the late summer of 72. Toward the end of his career he got the “John Grisham disease” that affects lots of prominent writers where he was simply writing for money with the knowledge that the public would buy anything that had his name on the cover.
My other gripe about Tom Clancy is that he always assumed that technology would work. I’ve worked with fairly high tech stuff most of my life – first in the military, then with sophisticated HVAC equipment built by respected companies like Carrier, York and Honeywell, and then with mail sorting equipment built by Pitney Bowes, Siemens, and Northrop Grumman. The truth is that most new technology doesn’t work until its massaged and re-engineered by the grunts and the junior NCO’s down in the trenches – and even then it probably works at about 50% of the capacity promised by the contractors.
Even with those minor gripes I’m sorry that the military and the believers in the 2nd amendment have lost a good friend.
“Morgan, his agent and CNN have been working on his new role or his exit strategy from the network.”
I got an Exit strategy for you Mr. Morgan.
“Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!”
Hows that?
New(2010) Remington 870 3″
2nd round stuck in the chamber, extractor slipped off. Happened every round afterwards. Took it back to the store and they sent it back for repair. Problem not fixed, sent back again and then the extractor would not slip off the rim of the shell, but I had to put the gun vertical with the buttplate on the ground and use all my body weight to cycle the action. Sent back for repair. Remington polished the chamber. Only every other to every 3rd round would stick. Through all of this I tried every shell I could get my hands on: low brass, high brass, dove loads to goose loads, win, rem, fed, kent, & estate. Spent 2x’s the amount of the gun on ammo. Remington refused to replace the gun and could not fix it. I traded it for a ruger 22/45 that I love. Last Remington product I will ever buy new.
I’d like to hear the pair of Cuomo and Bumberg how they would defend themselves against what 30-40 attackers with that 7 round mag limit. Oh wait, in New York, you should accept being the victim.
This is the reason I load my Sr9c with Critical DUTY vs Defense… Two words- auto glass.
Lug nut rule. “He who has the most lug nuts, wins”
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Does Blameberg make Manchin “Squeal Like A Pig”?
Ironically, FOID applications/issuances are not necessarily a good representation of actual owners in Illinois. The inappropriately-named Firearm Owner’s Identification is required to purchase, own, or transport firearms or ammunition. Yes, you have to have it on you to buy ammo, so if you happen to see a box of .22 at Walmart and you left it at home, no dice.
Because of laws like that, many local shops and ranges also implement unnecessarily strict FOID-related policies. Some ranges only allow one or two non-FOID bearing guests per fully licensed shooter. Some allow none. One shop I went to would not even take guns out of the case to show me because I left my FOID at home. It is virtually universal that they will require a FOID to use the range on your own or rent a firearm.
Thanks to infringements such as this on our natural rights, I have encouraged others who may want to shoot at some point, or sometime in the distant future actually own a gun, to put in their applications ASAP. My brother had a FOID for years, and went shooting with me, before ever owning a gun. Which I bought for him. In a private sale. So even though he’s got a FOID, he’s never bought a gun. As is the case with my girlfriend. I don’t want her to have a hard time dealing with my guns and ammo should anything happen to me, so I made sure she has her own FOID, even though we have no plans to get her a gun all her own.
I suspect that a lot of new FOID applications out there are a just-in-case sort of thing; when do they really do need a gun, they only have to wait the state-obliged 1 day (long guns) or 3 days (handguns) before bringing it home. Otherwise you may be stuck with a 6-month wait (like my girlfriend and myself; both due to clerical errors which we had to call in to the state police to inquire why the application was so far behind).
And on a lighter, sadder note, a short anecdote: one day I was on my way home from the burbs, and stopped at local Walmart to see about some ammo. The girl behind the sporting counter could not make the sale; her FOID was expired. She called for another associate, and was surprised when [let’s call her Mary] showed up. “But I radioed for [John]. I didn’t know you had your FOID, [Mary].” “Oh, I don’t,” said Mary. “I don’t need one; I live in Wisconsin.” Illinois politics at its finest.
Well done, sir! Shared on FB.
The only change: I would have mentioned assault sports cars with deadly high-horsepowers engines and military style Jeeps and Humvees that only belong on the battlefield.
Worst a Davis P380. Cheapest gun I have ever bought new, $90
Followed very closely by a Sig P238 at a touch over $700.
Since i live in Czech Republic, i’ve seen SAO cz75 quite often. However each time it was gun modified from standard cz75 by gunsmith, it’s suposedly simple modification.
There are SAO models directly form factory, but only in competion line (sp-01 and odthers)
Sorry Mike, I find no fault with the driver. If I was in my vehicle with my wife and kids and these bikers pulled that crap, more than one would have ended up in the hospital. And the manner in which those riders were driving with the SUV, the SUV wasn’t “tailgating”, nice try.
Well done sir.
I guess at this point every new “Tom Clancy” book will definitely be ghostwritten…
You’ll pry my steering wheel from my cold, dead hands!
I think if every vehicle was equiped with an ignition interlock that woul prevent drunk driving. The government can mandate all vehicles be equipt with a built in breathalizer. If it saves one life it is worth every penny it will cost, to retrofit every vehicle in the America.
Here are my “bad” guns I owned.
A Chinese Type 53 (Chinese copy of M44 Mosin-Nagant carbine). It would fire OK but would rarely extract, so a cleaning rod had to be kept nearby. I sold it to someone who had ammo for it after handing in a Tokarev (SVT-40?) self-loader.
A sporterized M96 Swedish Mauser. When I bought it, the barrel looked good but I didn’t know about the throat erosion issue. Eventually after much mucking about I had the gun shooting (2″ @ 400 metres with handloads), but then the chamber-throat area gave out and the barrel had to be replaced. I sourced a new 6.5 barrel from Lothar-Walther (in 1-in-9″ pitch, big mistake as I should have used 1-in-8″) and had a well known local gunsmith (who also did work for the local police, park rangers, etc), and he totally botched the job. The chamber was literally pear shaped so once-fired brass wouldn’t fit unless lined up properly. The only ammunition I could get the rifle to shoot was PMC factory. It was good enough for a few field trips. I had that barrel replaced with a cheap 1-in-12″ .308 barrel. I had a load worked up and the rifle was shooting about as well as it did before, but then the projectiles were unavailable temporarily, which forced a change, and then the AR2206 powder I was using was discontinued. So I now have to find the time to develop a new load with the replacement powder and projectiles. Not really a “bad” gun but it has been a nearly 2-decade experience.
A Lee-Enfield No4. It needs a few parts replaced, such as the safety which will apply during a shoot. Not good on a rapid course. The barrel still shoots, despite being pitted and worn (6″ @ 300 metres, open sights, KF ammo, rapid course), but the short stock results in my nose hitting my thumb under recoil. Currently at the back of the safe for a future project. I may make it into another .223 when my son is old enough to start shooting.
I know a lot of people who have been complaining about new out-of-the-box Remington 700s over the last decade or so. It looks like their civilian production is the QA rejects from their other contracts. I have seen chambers cut at an angle to the bore, resulting in shots stringing out during a match, guns that need several visits to gunsmiths before they work properly, the typical extraction issues, and so on. It is said you buy a Remington for the aftermarket parts availability. If you want a rifle to shoot out-of-the-box, buy a Savage. And the Savage is also much cheaper.
Zip 22lr pistol. Complete POS.
So super intellectual guy! Tell me why 10 rounds is the magic number? So far no statistical analysis says that it is. The analysis that has been done says magazine capacity has little effect on how many people are killed in a mass shooting. The navy yard shooter had how many shell capacity in his shotgun? 7? Just because it is a shotgun doesn’t mean it kills everyone in a 30 foot by 90 degree cone either. So until that time that it is proven super killy, the 10 round limit is a non-starter for me.
I do believe that every gun owner should have firearm safety training. To that end, I would support making firearm safety a standard part of the grade school curriculum.
I have a high capacity Suburban with a tail gate thingy that goes up.
Quit reading that New York Fascist Crap Robert!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those last few points are exactly the same ones my liberal cousins use. They used it 8 months ago, and they used them today. People need to stop looking a guns like they are only used by THE BAD GUYS.
Libtard wimp.
Dont have rifle yet. Thinking of running vortex strikeforce with magpul pop ups. This work?
Before I go into this, I want to say that I own each of the guns I’m comparing.
I don’t understand the bemoaning of weight when it comes to Berettas, what is the empty weight of a 1911 compared to a m9a1? Colt Series 70 – 37.5 ounces, Beretta – 33.9 ounces. People bemoan how big the Beretta is for what if fires, but look at the slide weight, significantly less than the 1911.
You get a whole lot of firepower out of a Beretta, the new factory 17 round mags put it in the same class as Glocks. Anecdotally, I have introduced many new shooters and bring out 9mm’s and 22’s, everyone seems to shoot better with the Beretta than my Glock, especially when it comes to the last few rounds out of the magazine. I think it has to do with more mass being the frame and significantly less mass in the slide than the Glock.
Carry what you want, just don’t complain about Beretta’s being to big and bulky.
Wow. An $1100 pistol that stovepipes on every round of the first magazine. I will stay with my Rock Island Armory.
I wish I had a magazine that fired 10 rounds. All My magazines do is load ammunition into my firearm. 🙁
Those full auto assault rifles were defective, they didn’t go on a mass shooting rampage.
Gun Digest has been publishing those for at least 25 years, far longer than Sarah Brady has been aware of that particular term.
One edition from many years back has some entertaining stories about the life of Colonel George Chinn, who (among many other things) helped design the Mk. 19 automatic grenade launcher. I would not condemn them out of hand for the title.
Then again, I am reminded of a story, perhaps apocryphal, of one of Adolf Hitler’s distant relatives, sharing his surname, who was a US Army combat engineer in France in 1944. A reporter asked him why he didn’t change his name. His response: “Let that other guy change HIS.”
Some of the nuns who taught at Our Lady of Refuge would beat a school shooter to death with nothing but their rulers. I still have nightmares about those ninja women and I didn’t even go to their school.
lemme just remember where i need to go to get my car armored…..
THIS IS STUPID!!! where the hell am i gonna go armor my car without a bank check? really?!
this much stupid hurts my brain. alot. average joe doesnt have access (or even consider getting access) to the means of car armoring. even if he did, i doubt hes got the money.
i feel like i just got advice from james yeager.
I think the AR50A1 is a fabulous shooter with great potential for match accuracy providing that ones reloading is refined along with shooting skill. Sorry, but I see a lot of folks posting about the AR50 that doesnt sound like they know what theyre talking about. I believe that the AR50 can keep up with some of the best quality 50’s available as far as accuracy. Oh, and no, going out to the range and shooting pumpkins at 600 yards is not an adequate measure of accuracy. I saw a poster in a chat forum questioning what you can really do with an AR50, as its not made for putting a lot of rounds down range quickly and it’s not really the best shooter. Really? Doesn’t know what he’s talking about. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, then I accept the fact that I also happen to believe that the AR50 is a sharp looking unit. So many posters giving 2 cent advice about the AR50, I think that based on its track record of competitive success, the right shooter could proove that it’s one of the best 50’s on the market.
All these stories usually have a lot in common, lack of common sense is just the obvious. No, what I see in these “plain speaking” type articles from intellectuals who are trying to show how they “get it” but we don’t, are the folksy little sotried about Dad’s raccoon hunting, or Grandpa’s deer rifle, or whatever. You get my point. As if this little anecdote about firearms gives them some sort of street cred with the gun rights supports. I am tiered of the “Hey! look at me, I see a valid reason for .22 LR rifles too, but…..”. They are wasting my time and lose my interest almost immediately. I’d actually respect them more if they didn;t try such a belittling tactic. Come to think of it, that’s exactly what they are down. Patting the little gun rights child on the head with a little story so they don’t seem so thtreatening. They are being condecsending, naturally, but don’t even know it, becasue that is, after all, what they do when faced with an opinion or facts that differ from their own selective adgendas. They can’t help it. It’s the liberal progressive way of moral superiority, look down your nose, speak down and treat anyone with a different view as a child.
This article makes that all so clear to me now. I mean I guess I knew that already, but even when trying to make a serious attempt at communicating, like this pencil neck (couldn’t resist), they still can’t hide who they really are, a statist, trying to create fictional utopia based on intellectualism and moral superiority, contrary to all human nature and history. It just goes to show you how removed they are from reality.
Maybe the school board of trustees are afraid that professors will become intimidated by the knowledge of knowing they have an armed student populous. Grading might become more fair and less liberal interjection to boot.
We need to calm down a little bit as a community…
Most people couldn’t wear an NRA or politically based shirt at work… So, why is a school any different?
I’m a member of the NRA and supporter of gun rights. Though, I view guns like your private parts, we all know you have them, but that doesn’t mean anyone wants see them.
Just keep it to yourself when it business time, having freedom doesn’t mean you have to be obnoxious with it.
Out of curiosity, what is an annunciator and what do the people on Capitol hill carry in their Go Kits? Anyone here know?
Get two hands on that weapon, number 2.