The Guns (and Knives) of the Navy SEALs

1. United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSWDG / DEVGRU) [formerly – “Team 6”] got the nod for the operation. They’re like SEALs on steroids (hrmm .. somehow that doesn’t seem far-fetched)…

   They got it because they’re one of the two Tier One Special Missions Units (SMU’s). Their primary role at creation was specifically counter-terrorism. Who better to do the deed 🙂

2. “Meanwhile, can someone tell me why Navy Special Ops got the green-light for a mission that was more than 200 miles inland?”

   Because they are the best! 🙂

   • Sea Air and Land hence the navy SEALS

     • Hence yo mama!

       • Leave the “president” out of this.

   • In this country.

   • Because the CO for Delta lost the coin toss

3. Robert, the real answer is that none of these missions are truly “single service.” JSOC missions are almost always “Joint.” The SEALs may be getting the credit because they were the largest element present (or because the Navy has the best PR flacks in the armed forces) but you can bet that at least 3 services were represented in the operation (for example, the helicopters were almost certainly flown by the Army’s 160th SOAR and you can bet that there were Air Force combat controllers and possibly PJ’s – elite pararescumen – also involved.)

4. “Meanwhile, can someone tell me why Navy Special Ops got the green-light for a mission that was more than 200 miles inland?”

   I think the area is a Navy command for some reason. The SEALs operate all over Afghanistan (and Pakistan). That is why the four guys from Team 10 were in a position to earn a Medal of Honor (Murphy, posthumous), Navy Cross (Dietz, posthumous), Navy Cross (Axelson, posthumous), and a third Navy Cross (Luttrell) in Operation Red Wings.

5. More interestingly, they constructed a full-scale replica of Bin Laden’s hidey-hole in Aftghanistan, and practiced the breech/takedown for months before going in.

   To those of you who are big Wikileaks fans, THIS is a prime example of why countries need to be able to keep SOME things top-secret. If this had been published by that assclown Assange, Bin Laden would still be alive today.

   • Breach.

     http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/breach.html

   • Do you belive That Seal 6. Killed Bin Laden in Was IT 2011? . HARD TO kill a man That died in a hospital in Pakistan maaaaany many years before. I have been 12 yrs in a team with mixed soldiers (12 usa +12 from Nato /europe countries) we did stuff That JSOC does in arround in 2013 IT Was 84 countries. Stages Co’s. Eliminate ppl That are inn the Way for the ‘guys” That really rulet the World and spes usa. Its alle about more money to the richest and most powerful ppl. That westgård CALLED “the puppet masters” they are know as the “money changers” they could crash USA inn av Day. Wait….if ut guys (usa cit do not wake up soon) there are lots of consp. Theories etc….some are kinda farefetch….but many of Themsen. ARE SO CORRECT….OR they just scratches 10% of IT. Why i know? I’ve been on missions to wipe out av drugring sextrafic etc. They were Killed inn Theories ‘safehouse’ removed and the ‘safe’ House were ‘clinic cleaned’ spooks came andre took alle the drugs…..aND the weapons. The money.were splitted /counted by the team leader. I Was mye teams leader. SO my first That kinda mission i asked about this to the cia That lead there mission. This is the seal our ‘same bosses’ has agreed. And we keep Everything. You guys and the half of the money.is up to u How ut splitt IT or what u do with IT…. THEN i Asked why did we instead of the lokal police/military do this Themsen self andre get backup by mye team.Because we get ridd of Thoose That not works for the topmen
     AND the last thing Was to take out av smaller ring. And THEN stage av really Nice ‘drugwar gone wrong” and there Was never ever anytring inn the News etc eventuelt then we renoved very high ppl That were inn media inn av conflict land….and ‘clinic cleanig’ andre Staged IT as andre car accident, death by ‘natural causes’ , wiker caught husband with mistriss etc. This we did between 93-03. And We heard many times inn 2000 That there Was going to be a mega change inn usa inn september 9 next yr. What we did not know but ONE guy Said cia spook .The ‘plan’ Will give us support to start av war against countries the chiefsom want.(did hei mean That USA SHOULD have full Access of the Oil in Iran? Or the opium inn Afghanistan? :-))) which they are runnig today.

     WAKE UP. i did. AND THAT WAS IN Å MISSION IN 93….WHERE I SAID NO TO ME PUSHED ARROUND BY THE NEW TEAM THAT HAD APPAIRD…AKA FUCKING BASTARDS FROM JSOC. THE mission endeld bad. Not for mye team. But they started to treat us and me. AND I JUST HIT HIM….AND THEN IT STARTED. BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT OUR TEAM.VS JSOC IN 03 WAS NO CHALLENGE FOR US. THE COUNT WAS 7 DEAD GUYS FROM JSOC.

     AND MY TEAM AND I WENT HOME. BUT THERE WAS Å HELL DEBRIEF. BUT WENCHE STORD UP AND SAID…SORRY WE ARE DONE. IF SOMEONE COMES FOR US ..REMEMBER this Day. How East we took out almost half there team with just 2 guys…AND REMEMBER HALF OF MY TEAM ARE NOT AMERICANS……AND REMEMBER IF 12 OF US KEEP TOGETHER AND GO PUBLIC WITH STUFF THAT WILL TAKES DOWN SO MANY..AND WE KNOW ALL OF YOUR LAME GUYS THAT PLAN YR MISSION. WHO DOES WHAT….SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO COMES TAKER US…..WE GURANTEE THAT WE WILL.KILL EVERYONE U SEND AND THEN LEAK ALL INFO I REMEMBER. I HAVE ALL DATES PLACE S ETC MEMORIIZED. SO sine That Day I have work to help ppl with som ppl from the Old team…we are private Company. And work in the shaddows side by side where JSOC ARE. We know Them. And canal se Them..
     .they dont no we exisct etc. OR where we are when… but we have stopped many JSOC miss That have Maid many ppl to scratch there head…hehe.

     Bona Nox! USA

     invictus Maneo!
     -the Viking-

     • You should write a book. You’ve made a good start

6. Didn’t they transition over to HK45C’s?

   The MSM is publishing stories that he was double-tapped in the face with a M11 after failing to comply with a surrender order.

   Hmm… maybe this will prompt a SIGSauer M11 replica sales frenzy the likes never seen since the S&W M29 was immortalized by Inspector Callahan…… except this time, it was for real.

   • So apparently Osama felt lucky?

     What a punk.

   • He took a nice new 556 load to the face, 62gr reverse jacket.

7. DEVGRU got the mission because they were free. Delta, Green Berets, etc. are more of the “train the locals” SF teams. While they are more than capable of pulling this op off, SEALs and DEVGRU don’t embed with locals as much, so they didn’t have to be extracted from whatever they were doing. In addition, they came off of a carrier so they didn’t have to contend with the Pakistani air-defenses on their border with Afghanistan. And as far as primary and secondary weapons go, smart money is on either the 416 or the SCAR, and the P226 or P228.

   • Delta are shooters, like older, awesomer Rangers. Very analogous to the SEALs. SF is train the locals, aka “Force Multipliers” or alternately “Peace Corps with guns.”

     • I’m definitely not trying to say that Delta aren’t shooters; I personally believe that they are the best shooters this country has. However, they definitely do work with the locals. So my guess is that they were likely already of on a mission, while DEVGRU was shooting ammo in Virginia (DEVGRU’s ammo budget is larger than the ammo budget of the USMC). So you have them run the op, and let Delta continue to do whatever ops they’re running.

   • Its the CM901(7.62mm)
     that got Bin Laden.

     • HAHAHAHAHAHA

   • the m4a1 is the rifle the seals use more than any other.they probably used a shorter version the mk18.socom discontinued the scar16 and the seals wouldnt use scar 17s in close quarters.

8. I found out something interesting about Navy SEALs weapons. They aren’t limited. What I heard once from an ex-Navy SEAL is that need to know to pick up essentially any weapon and be able to use it within their well honed ability. That means that even though the AK-47 or PK machine gun were not on that list, the guy going into Osama’s compound probably would have been able to pick one up. When SEALs or other special-ops receive training, they learn what weapons they go up against and how they work. This is part of their edge.

   • All of SOCOM is like that. I don’t think the Rangers or PJs do it as much but they all train with foreign weapons.

   • All of SOCOM and even a fair amount of our conventional forces are receiving at least weapons familiarity training with the AK. Less so with the PK at the conventional level. But the foreign weapons training with the SF is nothing new. Back in Vietnam, an SF group called MACV-SOG used to run an RPD with a 250 round belt and a 10 inch barrel. The RPD shoots the 7.62x54R round, the same round in the Mosin Nagant. I don’t even want to think about the muzzle blast on that beast.

     • No disrespect intended, but the RPD shoots 7.62x39mm. The standard drum holds 100 round belts. It’s the Dragunov that shoots 7.62x 54mm.

9. “Meanwhile, can someone tell me why Navy Special Ops got the green-light for a mission that was more than 200 miles inland?”

   Guys, guys no need to complicate this….they came out of a well

10. The 45 ACP is a good caliber and a “american symbol” , but the .40 S&W is a best
    caliber for self defense ; against facts are not arguments !
    Greetings from Cesar

    • This wasn’t a “self defense” operation…

      Don’t be surprised when they are all packing 5.7x28mm side arms and SMGs soon. Much better offensive weapon line. Of course, that doesn’t mean I don’t like my .40 SW. As soon as some more (American!?!) manufacturers start coming out with 5.7x28mm, and the damn price of the ammo drops, expect to hear a lot more of these at the range…

11. SEAL = Sea, Air, Land. Why would they not get the job? Apparently the can do a snatch and grab just about anywhere.

    Melvin

12. Your list is a little off. For 1, the knives…dont forget three of the Cold Steel models. 2, the p226 is not m11 its the mk 25 Its not my article so I’ll stop here. Do a little more research before posting a sight like this.

13. We are like shadows in the night, barely there, gone in the next moment! Turticus

14. My Dad made China Beach landing March 1965. Dad was a photographer in the Navy. White Elephant & Camp Town Share. Dad said the Navy Seals train him. What he learn saved
    His life.

15. Better yet? I’d like too know what weapons were rejected and why!
    Politics in weapon choices kill more service men and the grunts have no say!
    the first M16 was a piece of crap because the Military wanted to go cheap!
    Some firearms procurement is NATO related, they want the 9mm! Personally
    having had bad experiences with both Cartridges {.223 & 9 MM} I will take battle proven .45 and .308 any day if having choice!

    • Oh come on. They are not that bad. The M16 is probably the easiest rifle in the world to shoot well. The A1 and A2 I used were light, accurate w/ iron sights, and pretty reliable. You need need to keep your weapon clean to avoid jams, so I carried an old wool sock to wipe out crap once or twice a day. No big. The M9 is also one of the easiest (and safest) handguns to teach a large workforce to use. No recoil, accurate, and reasonably easy to field strip/clean/maintain.

      Both are a joy to fire for prolonged periods of time. The first time I loaded live ammo into the M9 I qualified expert without familiarization fire or practice. While it isn’t a firearm I would purchase myself (saving my allowance for a FiveSeven and the new HK P30) the ergonomics are quite good.

      I was better than 75% at hitting the 500M target with iron sights with the M16A1. I have taught countless adults who have never handled a firearm before to safely and accurately use the M16A1.

      Both weapons are pretty easy to maintain. This is another huge issue when choosing a weapon you are going to deploy in hands of thousands upon thousands of people–most of whom will never fire a shot.

      Remember there is a huge difference between what the bulk of the Army/Navy/Marines/Air Force do and what a small group of elite commandos do.

      Choices of what works best for a million service members v. what is best for 20 person SEALS/Delta/SF team, or a Ranger/Recondo Company is quite a different decision. The 9mm and 5.56 are light ammo–meaning more bullets down range per ton of cargo. When you figure you need to fill 6 magazines x 30 rounds per M16/M4, or 3 x 15 per M9 for that many people, economics and logistics become really important. Don’t forget you have to pay the Air Force to fly all that lead, and gas ain’t cheap.

16. McRaven, the head of JSOC at the time, was a SEAL. So to say that didn’t play a part is… ignoring the context.

    Also, I would like to point out that NO NAVY SEAL actually went into Bin Laden’s compound. They may have been SEALs a few hours beforehand, but they most certainly were CIA operatives while on the mission; they may have resigned from the CIA and rejoined the SEALs immediately after, but they certainly weren’t SEALs.

    Source: FOIA requests for information and pictures on mission.

17. I’m drooling. Man I wish I had that kind of budget. I better keep working hard to increase my fun budget.

18. I was deployed to Afghanistan in 2010/2011, I hung out with the seals at my fob. It was a very small fob and we were next door neighbors. I failed to look at their m4s very well, I was too busy shooting them, but they used surefire surpresors. and I shot their sniper rifle, it was Acuracy International 300

19. Copy and paste into my Christmas list.

20. Seals ate level 2 air force has two level ones one was not even acknowledge until 1995 that unit list members as equipment to loan to other tiere ones delta and green are also ones most started from and old paper in late 80s calling for a millinium project or group.

21. Civilian: Medium pocket knife, butcher knife, steak knife, meat clever, sharp pointed object, ash tray, football trophy, . Machete, 26 inch blade, (use both hands), hunting knife, 12 gauge 00 buck, 18.5 barrel, action of your choice. Hand firearm, take your pick .380 and up. Rifle, how far away do you really need to shoot? Identify and rectify the threat. Call 911. Seals are safer than you are.

22. Does no one really no completly “NOTHING” about navy seals team members? Or do we all just “guess” and/or “figure” when we post.

23. DOUBLE TAPPED IN THE FACE? That a coroner COULD NOT CONFIRM BUT THEIR MIGHT BE .44 magnum explosive head fragments TO BE FOUND BY FORENSIC SCIENTISTS.

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25. stay low, run fast shoot first Die last 1 shot 1 kill you all have taught me so much that I never knew but I do know that their isn’t a seal alive that hasn’t shot a million rounds of ammunition including my self. seal team 6 wasn’t in the complex ? and I suppose you were good day gentlemen and thanks for the education

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