As a Mainer, a law-abiding citizen and compassionate human, I know I speak for my Board and members when I say how sorry and sad, we are for those killed and wounded during the recent tragic shooting in Lewiston. To their families and loved ones, we send our sincere condolences and hope that this sad day will not be forgotten and that in the aftermath of this horrific event, positive changes will be made that will prevent such tragedies in the future.
Our organization will use all its resources and political influence to examine what happened at the New York military instillation, in the New York mental health hospital, as well as the New York and Sagadahoc County Sheriff’s Offices to determine where the public safety system or where human judgement failed. On initial review, it appears the failures were many and obvious.
In this special edition, we will share police reports, press coverage, Legislative history of gun laws and any other educational materials that may help SAM members and the public become better informed.
Just a day after the tragedy in Lewiston, without any facts or details to determine a path of corrective action, gun control advocates seized on the day to push gun control proposals that had nothing to do with nor would have prevented this tragic shooting. That is simply political exploitation.
Some in the press aided this premature rush to judgement and focused on Maine’s so-called Yellow Flag law as having failed. In truth, it was never used; nor were another half dozen laws which could have been employed at the State and Federal levels to prevent this tragedy. Sadly, gun control advocates just could not let the facts stand in the way of their greater agenda!
As a result of this race to demonize firearms, the debate became one dimensional and ignored glaring missteps or poor judgement by members of the military and police officers in Maine.
After you read this piece, we have no doubt you will come to the same conclusion we did: our public safety system failed, from the military, in New York state, and then in Maine, which allowed a seriously disturbed individual to kill 18 innocent people and wound another 13.
Lewiston Shooting Fallout: Is it a Gun Control Crisis or a Colossal Failure of Our Public Safety Systems?
Two Sagadahoc Sheriff’s Incident Reports tell the story of Robert Card’s escalating danger to the public and how the military, police, and our public safety systems responded.
In the wake of the tragic shooting in Lewiston that took the lives of 18 and wounded 13 more, two debates are emerging. One from the gun control community that promotes a “so-called” assault weapons ban, expands background checks to private sales and transfers, limits magazine capacity, creates a 72-hour waiting period to purchase a firearm, and repeals Maine’s Extreme Risk Protection Order process, the so-called “Yellow Flag” law.
The second debate is being driven by the Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine, Institute for Legislative Action, Governor [Janet] Mills, and Senator [Susan] Collins to first evaluate all the facts surrounding this tragedy and any possible failures in the system. Then, based on the findings, recommend changes that could prevent another Lewiston type shooting.
To that end, just days after the shooting, SAM staff reviewed two police reports from the Sagadahoc Sheriff’s Department which revealed that months prior to the shooting, Robert Card had been losing his grip on reality and was growing more agitated and threatening violence. This escalation in behavior occurred for nearly a year and was noticed by his family, multiple police jurisdictions and several government agencies.
The reports showed his family and fellow soldiers raising the alarm and for all intent and purposes revealed Robert Card was on a path to violence. The following timeline is taken from the two police reports referenced above. We have not included the names of officers or family members as there is an on-going investigation and such information does not add value to this report.
Timeline – Police Incident Report 1 – Six Months Prior to the Lewiston Shooting
On May 3, 2023, a Citizen Assist complaint, originating from a local public-school address, was logged with the Sagadahoc County Sheriff’s Office.
The first line of the narrative advises patrol: “USE CAUTION IF RESPONDING TO 1007 WEST ROAD-ROBERT CARD’S RESIDENCE-PARANOID BEHAVIOR AND HAS 10-15 FIREARMS IN HOUSE AND/OR TRUCK. ANSWERED THE DOOR WITH A GUN ON 5/4/23 WHEN FAMILY VISITED.”
The officer’s report details family members’ concerns that Mr. Card is “starting to experience paranoia.” They emphasized his “deteriorating mental health” and stressed they would like to remain anonymous. In the report, we learn the officer and family members agree to involve Card’s Army Reserve command for assistance in getting Card help. The officer talked with members of the Army Reserve Center in Saco who expressed “considerable concern for Robert.” The report states, “It sounded like they may be aware of his recent mental health decline.” Ironically, some of these same reservists are police officers.
The report stated (this may be important later), “Robert is currently an Army Reservist assigned to a training unit in Saco and has historically instructed soldiers on the use of hand grenades.”
The report alleges Card engaged in “heavy drinking” and “angry rants” about having to shoot someone. An interesting twist offered by a family member then becomes part of the report with this statement, “all of Robert’s paranoia/anger started around the same time he got hearing aids (for the first time) in February.”
The reporting officer says, “I thought this was an odd coincidence and did some on-line research. I found that hearing loss induced mental illness is a documented condition that can project itself in paranoid behavior.” The officer reveals he shared this hearing aid/behavior theory with the military. A family friend and nurse believe “there is also a connection between the loss of hearing/mental health illness.”
The first police report in May is the equivalent of the “canary in the coal mine” and leaves a path of unanswered questions hanging in the air. In the report, three people referred to Card’s loss of hearing corresponding with Mr. Card’s paranoid behavior and all three witnesses reached the same conclusion-that it was connected. If they all concurred it could be the cause of Card’s paranoia, did anyone (military or police) follow up?
How did this report not send up a warning flag with the military and is there a process to do so? Why wasn’t Mr. Card flagged at the time and prevented from participating in Reserve training that involved firearms, ammunition, and grenade training in July of the same year and just a few months after this May report?
Timeline – Police Report 2, 9/15/23 – Welfare Check Requested by Maine National Guard. Five Weeks before the Lewiston Shooting.
The first sentence from the police narrative: “I received a complaint from the Maine National Guard asking me to perform a welfare check on Robert Card.” It goes on, “As of recent, it has come to the Guard’s attention that Card is having psychotic episodes where he is hearing voices that are insulting him, calling him a pedophile.” “Card is also making threats to shoot up the Saco National Guard facility. He had been committed (to a mental facility in New York) over the summer for a couple of weeks due to his altered mental state but has since been released.”
Time Out!
Making a credible threat against a military facility is a felony. This accusation and other contributing factors established probable Cause that a crime may have been committed and another may be imminent. Why was this complaint only a “wellness check” not a warrant for his arrest, with a search warrant?
The responding deputy police officer reports going to Card’s residence, finds no one home, hands off the complaint to the evening shift and then cuts and pastes a letter. Excerpts from this letter appear below.
“Card is one of my senior firearm instructors in Bravo Company in Saco. Card has been hearing voices calling him a pedophile and other insults. This hearing voices started in the spring and is only getting worse.” It goes on, “On July 15, 2023, while at West Point, Card was hanging out with several other soldiers at the hotel they were staying. In the parking lot, Card accused three of them of calling him a pedophile.” A shoving match ensued. When things calmed down Card said, “he would take care of it.”
When pressed by officers/reservists what he meant by that statement, he would not answer. Card went on to lock himself in his hotel room and refused to answer. The next morning his fellow soldiers got a key to his room and opened the door. After another scrap, officers/reservists decided to call their commander and it was decided to take him to a mental health facility and he spent 14 days in that hospital.
It went on, “To my knowledge he has not sought any more treatment since being released.”
Time Out!
We know very little about what happened that led to Card being committed to this facility. Was he forced into care, or did he voluntarily submit for evaluation? What were the diagnoses and treatment he received? Was he medicated and what follow-up treatment was recommended? Did they explore his loss of hearing as the source of his altered mental status? Was his right to own and purchase firearms altered? What were the conditions of his release?
Back to the Deputy’s Report and Excerpted Letter – Just Prior to Entering the Mental Health Facility in July 2023
What comes next is disturbing, “Night before last, at approximately 02:30, another soldier that is friends with Card called to tell me that Card had assaulted him.” They were driving home from the Casino when Card started talking about people calling him a pedophile.” When told to “knock it off,” he was going to get into trouble “talking about shooting up places.” Card punched him. Card’s friend got out of the car and made his own way home. Card also said to his friend, “[he] has guns and is going to shoot up the drill center at Saco” and other places. He also said he was going to “get them.”
This next line in the report is also very important, the man Card assaulted says that Card said, “I was the reason he can’t buy guns anymore because of the commitment.”
Time Out!
In this report, Card pushes a police officer and threatens to shoot people, the night before that incident, he assaults a friend by punching him and then makes an alleged felony threat against a military facility. He does this in front of Army reservists (who happen to be police officers in civilian life) and with the knowledge of the military.
Why didn’t they charge him with assault and/or criminal threatening? Either of the two could have been prohibiting offenses and diffused the mass shooting threat? That means his right to purchase and possess firearms would have been taken away.
Conflict!
On October 30th, 2023, the Press Herald ran a story titled, “Police identify 2 AR style rifles, handgun as weapons linked to Lewiston mass shooting.” In the story Matt O’Shaughnessy, Public information officer at the Boston Office of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms says, “Card likely passed the background check to make other firearm purchases prior to when he was evaluated at the mental health facility.”
This statement does not explain what happened before, during, and after Card was in the hospital. If Card was evaluated and found to be a danger to himself or others, it is almost always a condition of release they relinquish their firearms, at least temporarily. New York has a traditional “Red Flag Law,” and mental health workers are mandated to initiate a “Red Flag” order in these cases. Did the military warn New York Police about Card’s threats and if so, why wasn’t he Red-Flagged in New York? How did he get to keep his guns?
Finally, the report continues, “On 9/16/23 at about 0845 hours I went and checked to see if Card’s vehicle was in his yard on west Road. It was there. Upon making this observation I opted to have another unit back me up.” It went on, “Deputy arrived about 45 minutes later and we attempted contact with Card without success. Card could be heard moving around inside the trailer but would not answer the door. Due to being in a disadvantageous position we decided to back away.”
The remainder of the September 15 deputy report is about trying to get his guns through family. That obviously did not work.
Sagadahoc sheriff officers had what they believed to be a very dangerous, unstable man inside his trailer. He had assaulted a fellow reservist and threatened to shoot up a military facility. Why didn’t they seek a warrant for his arrest and a search warrant?
The deputy at his trailer was so concerned for his safety, he called for backup and when Card did not answer, they felt they were in a “disadvantageous position.” So, they left.
Time Out!
This makes no sense! If these deputies were concerned for their own security, wouldn’t they also be afraid for the public’s safety, his family, and the threatened facilities? What did they do to protect the public? What happened in the preceding month and a half leading up to the Lewiston shooting to address complaints that Card’s mental health was deteriorating, and that he was becoming more violent? What triggered Card to follow through on his threats?
What SAM-ILA Is Doing to Answer These Very Important Questions
- After reviewing these two Sagadahoc County Sheriff’s Reports and because of the concerns expressed, we have reached out to Senator Collins and requested two separate actions be taken immediately. First an independent, Federal Inspector General investigation into the circumstances surrounding the military’s handling of Robert Card. Senator Collins was joined by Senator [Angus] King and together they drafted a letter asking for the investigation.
- We asked Senator Collins to introduce federal legislation requiring mandatory reporting when soldiers are deemed a threat to themselves or others. The mandatory reporting would be to the Department of Public Safety in the state in which the military facility is located, and to the soldier’s state of residency. The legislation would require all branches of the military to use the State’s Extreme Risk Protection Order process when handling dangerous, potentially violent individuals experiencing a mental health crisis where a person is deemed a risk to themselves or others. This legislation should also address how the soldier’s rights to possess and purchase a firearm are handled during the crisis, with a process for the soldier to restore their firearm rights in the future.
Finally, a soldier’s job, pay, and benefits should not be lost during this process. Soldiers are our heroes and even heroes may have times in their lives when they need our help. The military must examine its culture to ensure there is not a stigma attached to men and women who experience a mental health crisis and need help!
Robert Card needed help and he was surrounded by police officers and members of the military who witnessed his decline firsthand. There must be a more formal system of protocols that officers and fellow soldiers must follow. As we have learned, inaction can have tragic consequences.
Sidebar: Was Robert Card Rambo or Bambi?
Statements by the military after the Lewiston shooting contradict statements in the two Sagadahoc County Sheriffs police reports about Robert Card’s job and responsibilities in the military. The contradictions are significant and worthy of note. On October 27th, 2023, the Associated Press reporter, Aliss Higham, wrote an article titled, “Robert Card’s Military Background Revealed.” Below is an excerpt from the article and an excerpt from the police report. You decide what is going on.
The article quotes James LaPorta (AP reporter) on the social media platform “X” (formerly Twitter): “I sent a request to the Army for Robert Card’s releasable biographical data: “Sgt. 1st class Robert Card is a Petroleum Supply Specialist in the Army Reserve, enlisting in December 2002. He has no combat deployments. His awards include the Army Achievement Medal, Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal x2, Humanitarian Service Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and Army Service Ribbon.” The article continues: “When asked to clarify by another X user whether Card’s achievements were “unremarkable”, LaPorta, replied: “Yeah. Pretty standard awards. I definitely wouldn’t use the term highly decorated.”
Army spokesperson Bryce Dubee said in a statement, “that the army did not provide training for him as a firearms instructor, and nor did he serve in such capacity within the Army, the outlet reported.”
The description above by the military downplays Card’s training and lethality and is not the one his Unit Commander, family and fellow reservists quoted in the police reports used to describe Card. Here are some of the excerpts from the two police reports.
Report 1, Sagadahoc County Sheriff’s Office Report, 5/03/23
Family: “Robert is currently an Army reservist assigned to a training unit in Saco and has historically instructed soldiers on the use of hand grenades.”
Officer’s comment after he notified a member of Card’s unit about his growing paranoia: “He thanked me for the notification because they are scheduled for an upcoming training exercise involving crew service weapons and grenades.”
Report 2, Sagadahoc County Office Report, 9/15/23
Officer: “It should be noted that Card is a firearms instructor with the Guard so utmost caution must be utilized.”
These excerpts are from the Guard letter, which is part of the report, “Card is one of my senior firearms instructors in Bravo Company in Saco.”
Guard: “[redacted name] is concerned that Card is going to snap and commit a mass shooting.”
Guard: “I would rather err on the side of caution with regards to Card since he is a capable marksman and, if he should set his mind to carry out the threats made, he would be able to do it.”
Conclusion: What To Do Next?
Few people know that as a former Legislator of twelve years, I spent most of that time spearheading the creation of Maine’s Office of Program Evaluation and Government Accountability (OPEGA), and the only bi-partisan committee of the Legislature that oversees it. It has the most sweeping power of any committee, including subpoena powers and the power to compel and question witnesses. The reason I spent over a decade working on this effort is because I recognized government is inherently cumbersome and wasteful as are most entities run by people and fueled by money.
People make mistakes, both in judgment and action. Police and the military are no exception. At times, these entities and the people who run the government need to be held accountable. It is not a blame game, just a reality of the beast. The Robert Card story is a sad and tragic example of what happens when people, armed with more than enough tools to do their job, fail to do so.
For nearly a year leading up to the Lewiston shooting, not only were there signs that Card was going to commit the most heinous of crimes, but he also telegraphed it. He was surrounded by Army officers and military personnel, some he assaulted, others he told he was going shoot up people and places. At the same time, his mental health was deteriorating rapidly. Four family members, the military, and the police knew it. And three people specifically pointed to a potential cause for that decline. Prior to the mass shooting, Card allegedly committed several felony crimes, including assault and terrorizing, yet he went uncharged. Instead, it appears he was given a pass repeatedly.
Some have claimed in the press that Maine’s Yellow Flag law failed. It is a diversion and a deflection to make excuses for failures by these same public safety organizations and to promote a gun control agenda. Some critics within law enforcement had never even used the process. Truth is that the Yellow Flag law wasn’t even the most appropriate tool to use in this case. Charging Mr. Card with assault or terrorizing and serving an arrest warrant was. It would have allowed the police to take him into custody for a mental health evaluation.
Several people screwed up. There is nothing that can be done now to undo what happened to the innocent souls in Lewiston, but what can bring some solace to the families and survivors of the worst shooting and loss of life in Maine’s history is to extract every fact and lapse in judgement that may have contributed to this senseless tragedy. Also, we must identify every person involved, and find every military and police report that may be out there and yet undiscovered. Compile all the information, subpoena every witness or participant if they resist and more importantly, fill in the gaps where information is missing.
So many questions remain. At the end of the second police report it references the military’s effort to convince Card to retire. Really, give him a mental health discharge? More importantly, six weeks passed after the Sagadahoc Sherriff’s Office encountered Card at his trailer but failed to act.
What happened after that failed “Welfare Check?” Are there other encounters that occurred between Card, the military, or police? Who was there to help Card’s family cope with his deteriorating mental state between mid-September and October 25? Did some event we are yet unaware of trigger Card? Did the military take the loss of hearing and hearing aid issue seriously? Card was 40 years old, hardly a candidate to prematurely lose his hearing. Was he a petroleum re-fueler as claimed by the military or a “senior firearm and grenade instructor” as his fellow reservists, Unit Commander, and family claimed. And did his military service contribute to his loss of hearing?
Until all the facts are known, and all questions answered, we are unlikely to prevent future mass shootings. At first blush, it appears our public safety net was a colossal failure from beginning to end, not because the tools weren’t available to prevent it, but because people made mistakes. The system not only failed the innocent victims killed and wounded, but also Robert Card and his family, especially his children and ex-wife who tried to help him. If the police officers and military personnel were working within a flawed system designed to be secretive or unaccountable, they too were failed as well.
As the investigations move forward, gun control groups and some government workers may downplay the roles of the police and the military leading up to this tragedy – it is natural to resist being held accountable. Change is scary and, in some cases, people may lose their jobs. But unless we identify how the system failed, how can we prevent another mass shooting by another mentally disturbed individual? Certainly, focusing on firearms availability alone will not prevent another tragedy.
The Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine’s Institute for Legislative Action (SAM-ILA) Executive Director David Trahan posted this report to the group’s Facebook page. It is published here with permission to ensure wide dissemination of the concerns and questions that demand answers, even as some lawmakers have introduced gun control legislation in the wake of the Lewiston, Maine, tragedy.
Hello! Never, ever, EVER go into a “Gun-Free” zone if you don’t have to. I know “secure” areas of airports are hard to avoid when travelling, but otherwise, save your own life and just don’t.
“The first line of the narrative advises patrol: “USE CAUTION IF RESPONDING TO 1007 WEST ROAD-ROBERT CARD’S RESIDENCE-PARANOID BEHAVIOR AND HAS 10-15 FIREARMS IN HOUSE AND/OR TRUCK. ANSWERED THE DOOR WITH A GUN ON 5/4/23 WHEN FAMILY VISITED.”
Let’s see, owns 10 to 15 firearms, thinks everybody’s out to get them, answers the door with a gun…
Well, that accurately describes about 95% of the individuals posting on this forum.
Gives insight into your mindset, miner. You’ll try to disarm folks who want a gun because they want a gun.
Thank you for showing up here. You’ve been a complete and utter failure as a gun control spokesman but you have sold millions of guns. Just like pedo joe.
“gun control spokesman“
“you have sold millions of guns“
Hilarious.
“accusing people in the internet of being violet“
Not only have I not accused anyone of being violent, I haven’t accused anyone of being violet either. Or purple.
I think it is hilarious, miner. You come here to berate conservatives. You show absolute hatred and bigotry towards people of faith. You compare the Doolittle raiders to hamas.
And your primary goal is gun control. Which you really suck at. And you still mistakenly believe you’re the smart one here. Dunning Kruger at its finest.
Anything to back that up or just accusing people in the internet of being violet?
You’re posting in the wrong comment section. The Advocate is more appropriate for someone of your disposition.
“thinks everybody’s out to get them, answers the door with a gun…”
Kind of like the Federal Bungling Idiots shooting and killing a 70 something retired guy who popped off about going after Biden, instead of having a basic conversation with them about an ‘off the cuff’ remark?
Or perhaps Waco? They could have picked up Koresh on one of his daily walks, instead of trying to storm the compound with a SWAT team, and then ramming APCs into a compound after they got their asses handed to them?
Maybe like Randy Weaver.. Shooting up his place and killing his kid, and wife instead of just picking him up when he was out and about?
Perhaps it is more like the libs pushing the term ‘Islamophobia?’
I mean, a death cult that pushes killing EVERYONE that opposes their twisted way of thinking, and the clear and obvious ACTIONS of doing so, shouldn’t be looked as as something to be cautious of?
Most of ‘us’ realize that there is MORE than enough evidence that people like YOU want us to ‘go away,’ and aren’t above trying to implement the ‘box car solution’ to do so, but FIRST we have to be disarmed, else things just might go very badly for the Biden Brownshirt Brigade…
“I mean, a death cult that pushes killing EVERYONE that opposes their twisted way of thinking“
You mean a death cult like this one:
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or th e wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
for “Stuck”, just a small correction; The vehicles used to destroy the Branch Davidian compound in Waco were not APCs, they were full fledged, no-shit TANKS! And the FBI assholes who got the Army to order the Ft Hood commander to release tanks to them also demanded qualified operators (army) and ammunition for the main gun, which is an antitank cannon! He refused both of those demands, but complied with delivery of the tanks, on trailers, which were used by the FBI in a completely unprosecuted mass murder, with victims including many women and children. It would be interesting to hear what they planned to use those cannon for!
While it is a joke and not a dick so you shouldn’t take it so hard “Well, that accurately describes about 95% of the individuals posting on this forum.” Cool story bro.
I had to sit here and write out what I had and the count. I really didn’t know.
The count was 11 firearms and 2 PCP air rifles. How lame, I need way more than that!!!
Barely a “super owner” ……not that I am doing any better.
11 firearms and 2 PCP air rifles. Barely a “super owner”??
Barely a beginning… But at least you have a minimum of 1000 rounds for each piece, right?
MINOR49er, You are an imbecil of the worst Hoplophobe affliction. You have repeatedly lied about all manner on the subject of firearms.
The article show how your “gin control laws” kist don’t work. A number of people have pointed out the weakness of your “gun cntrol” nonsense being mental health and you Leftist Hoplophobes just can’t seem to get into your thick skulls, that there are mentally ill people who need confinement. It has been RSEPEATEDLY pointed out how it was you Leftists who decided to get all the state run mental hospitals closed and thrust these people on the country. And still you Leftist Hoplophobes repeat your same tired “solution” of disarming everyone.
just had an incident of a guy pulling a gun on an Amazon driver blocking his driveway…what is it with these old white guys?
Hello! Never, ever, EVER go into a “Gun-Free” zone if you don’t have to…
UNLESS you are packing heat… Fuck GFZs, if they don’t have a metal detector or weight of Federal Law I’m going in if there is something in there I need and I WILL be armed…
I’ve been following those rules for over 20 years, now, without problem.
you would have thought someone, somewhere would have had access to a gun..it’s Maine for cripes sake!…sounds like the old, tired mantra of “It can’t happen here”……
The real ultimate failure was that in permitless carry state no one pulled their concealed firearm and ended this horrific event when he paused to check his rifle.
Might have been a alcohol served can’t carry issue there need to double check but otherwise yes. With that said Maine as well as NH and VT have comically low violet crime rates compared to their neighbors (this incident was 40% or so of Maine’s annual murders) so there is a perceived lack of need from many in those regions I have interacted with.
“violet crime”
I’ve heard of white collar crime, but never ‘violet’ crime.
Violet crime is that type which happens as a state transitions from “red” towards “blue” and the crime increases correspondingly. It’s a play on words. Catch up.
Damn nero was just going to own up to a typo but that was next level reversal. And minor cool story bro but anything of substance to add?
Violet crime is just more attractive.
Minerva, it’s really awesome how you NEVER misspell or omit a word, and how your grammar and punctuation are always just so absolute perfection… Kudos to you and all your awesomeness… You truly are King of the Clowns…
Violet crime is just more attractive.
Wasn’t that Dem staffer shooting that gay porno in the Senate Judicial Hearing Room a type of “Violet” crime… I’ve heard several different charges that could be filed against them…
Nope, “POSTED” because owner wanted “family” atmosphere. “any person who is at least 21 years old and legally entitled to carry a firearm can carry a handgun in a bar, unless posted, provided he or she is not under the influence. If you’re carrying with a permit/license that Maine honors/recognizes, you must be 18 or older.” Carries the force of law if posted Title 17-A: MAINE CRIMINAL CODE
Part 2: SUBSTANTIVE OFFENSES Chapter 43: WEAPONS§1058 §1057. Possession of firearms in an establishment licensed for on-premises consumption of liquor
Neat so similar to pre CCIA NY rules.
how about the owner of the place?…you’d have thought he would have one around somewhere…you own a business you keep a gun handy…just common sense….
https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Just-in-Time-GFZ.jpg
As disgusting as the criminal misuse of firearms is History Confirms the solution is not to be found in Gun Control…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WlItbl9SOAg&feature=shared
It has been my understanding for many years that anyone who is involuntarily committed to any sort of mental health institution for a period of more than 72 hours automatically becomes a “prohibited person” and is no longer lawfully able to possess or use firearms. This certainly would apply to Mr. Card. WHY was this standard protocl NOT observed and enforced? THAT ALONE would hve prevented this event.
I believe I can identify the single biggest point of failure in the system, not only in this incident, but in several other high profile shootings.
Patient confidentiality is the problem. When a shrink, of whatever variety, identifies a potentially dangerous nutcase, HE SHOULD REPORT HIS SUSPICIONS!! Several times, shooters have been discovered to have been under a shrink’s care. Often times, the patient has either gone cold turkey off of his meds. This, more than anything, is a huge danger signal – when a patient stops taking his meds, the shrink needs to REPORT the potential of a shooting. This is especially true when the patient has been put under care against his will. Court ordered psychiatric treatment should carry with it a mandatory confiscation and investigation of access to firearms.
Sure, there are nuts out there who have never seen a “mental health professional” – we’ll still have to deal with nutcases. But, FFS, when those professionals identify a real threat, and FAIL TO REPORT, they bear responsibility for the nut’s actions!
It might be difficult to formulate the methods of reporting, while maintaining as much confidentiality as possible. Again, I say, FFS! Make the effort!
Shrinks are no less responsible for the people under their care than adults who have children under their care. It’s time they shouldered that responsibility!
half the shrinks i’ve met looked like they could use one…you really want to put yourself in the hands of these people?
Well said, but like always, it entirely misses the point by using logic and rational thinking. The anti-gun folks will ALWAYS attempt to leverage tragedies like this for their true agenda: Banning of all firearms. The argument will be “We’ve tried everything, and none of it works. The only thing left is to ban firearms! For the children!”
In a free society bad people will have opportunities to do bad things -and find the tools necessary to help them do these bad things. As long as our society fails to keep crazy people locked away where they can’t hurt the rest of us they will find the means to do their crazy things.
More gun laws, more limitations on our freedoms, more infringements on our right to arms will not make us safe from the disturbed individuals we lack the fortitude to lock away and keep locked away.
If someone is deemed too dangerous to buy or possess a firearm, then they are too dangerous to be free among the rest of us. Period.
Due process them into a prison, mental institution or penal colony or something. Or what about exile? Doesn’t Georgia have a single county used specifically for banishments since it’s unconsitutional to banish one from an entire state?
The real crime and failure here is Gun Free Zones. The sign did not stop the bad guy but an armed victim might have.
Wow. Kind of a classic case of friends, colleagues & loved ones not wanting to damage their relationship with a mentally unstable man.
We just had somebody here phone in a threat to “shoot up” a Blue Seal.
He was arrested for criminal threatening.
Imagine that.
Seals are a protected species. Some on the endangered list even.
8.9 billion humans, not a protected species and definitely not endangered.
Save a Seal, Club a baby human.
Sounds like he is racist against one particular color.of seals. All seals matter.
Gee,I just had a song pop into my head, you know the one.
Rev Theory. Voices
I hear voices in my head
They council me
They understand
They talk to me
You’ve got your rules and your religion
All designed to keep you safe
But when your rules start getting broken
You start questioning your faith
I have a voice that is my savior
Hates to love but loves to hate
I have the voice that has the knowledge
And the power to rule your fate
I hear voices crying
I see heroes dying
I taste the blood that’s drying
I feel the tension rising
I hear voices in my head
They council me
They understand
They talk to me, they talk to me
They tell me things that I will do
They show me things I’ll do to you
They talk to me
They talk to me
Men in white coats on the way…
With the special jacket that has wrap-around sleeves.
“Men in white coats on the way… “
“With the special jacket that has wrap-around sleeves“
Funny, that’s the same jokes that Robert Card’s army buddies had…
same as your buddies minor,
same as yours
if you had any
Give him a little credit, Miner has all of the imaginary friends he could dream of.
Miner has to make up new imaginary friends on a regular basis, since the old ones keep getting bored and abandoning him.
Men in white coats on the way… With the special jacket that has wrap-around sleeves…
Hope they get there soon Minerva, you won’t be missed…
Randy Orton – Voices
All the lawyers are defenseless
All the doctors are disease
And the preachers all are sinners
And the police just take the grease
All you judges you are guilty
All the bosses I will fire
All you bankers will have losses
Politicians are all liars
The perp was a known train wreck in slow motion. Apparently his SFAR was out of the box shot because it jammed which is the surprise some do it for me buyers are experiencing. Had the perp used a vehicle to mow down people like bowling pins there would be nothing said about banning vehicles, etc. In the end no one or nothing else is responsible for perp’s crimes. And unlike the criminal justice system at least the perp gave himself the justice he deserved.
They don’t count them as failures, when they so them purposefully.
given today’s woke military, Card probably was a pedophile.
Can we please quit disrespecting Our president.
Ohhh, you typed Card, sorry.
If voices generated by his own brain were accusing him, it’s reasonable to think he might have been suppressing such urges. Not certain, but possible.
Without evidence don’t make that assumption. If SFC Card was a pedo you can be damn skippy the powers to be would let everyone know that.
I read recently that Card was supposed to pick up a BATFE approved Form 4 purchased silencer at a local retailer in Saco and truthfully answered yes regarding his mental health hospitalization on the 4473 which terminated the transfer. Apparently this was the point when his “prohibited” status was officially documented and not with the confrontation with his fellow reservist as stated in this article.
“If SFC Card was a pedo you can be damn skippy the powers to be would let everyone know that.”
I wouldn’t assume that. Often the first impulse of those on whose watch it occurs is to bury it deep and hope it stays buried.
It sounds as if Card wasn’t playing with a full deck.
obviously…which is why you have to protect yourself…a knife just won’t cut it….
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