The Mayors Against Civilian Gun Ownership Illegal Guns want you—yes you!—to make a choice. Apparently, “Washington needs to pass gun laws that will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and other prohibited purchasers and keep military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines off of our streets.” MAIG reckons the federal government “should pass laws that will: 1. Require criminal background checks for ALL gun sales, including private sales. 2. Ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. 3. Make gun trafficking a federal crime.” I’m guessing that’s what they mean by “common sense.” Click over to popvox.com to either support or oppose the proposal. At last count, 80 percent (50,668) are on board with civilian disarmament while 20 percent (12,465) are not.
I wonder what percentage of these rabid anti-gunners have ever fired a firearm? Experience isn’t everything, but it’s definitely something when you’re advocating asinine legislation that affects the entire country
Considering I get either an error message or a time out when I try to vote no, I’m a little suspicious at the moment.
I’n getting the “502 error” on the no vote also. I suppose that’s one way to rig a poll.
had no issues voting no.
It don’t like oppose votes
I tried voting ‘support’ and it timed out for that choice too.
*Edit* It’s working now.
First, make me a mayor. Then get back to me later.
I believe you’ve just gone to the heart of the constituency of MAIG.
Firstly: they want to be seen “doing something” that doesn’t cost them much and whose consequences won’t fall directly or measurably on them. Then they can get back to lunch-meetings or golf or whatever they do when they’re not engaging in public theater.
Secondly: they want re-election money from Michael Bloomberg to be made-mayor again.
Common sense gun laws? Does this mean MAIG is getting behind constitutional carry in all of America and they’re working to repeal the 68 gca and the nfa?
Can’t even vote oppose, I got a message saying it is a bad gateway. Guess that way you can keep 80% in favor.
I love how they phrase the question.
“No, I oppose common sense legislation to stop gun violence. I like gun violence! I don’t like common sense!”
That’s what you’re seen to be saying if you oppose the question. There’s no way to reject the premise of the question, you either are in favor of “common sense” or you are in favor of gun violence.
Lovely how they craft things in such a way that the “right” opinion is on top.
I also like:
We’re going to send your position as a letter to your Members of Congress, so we need you to register or sign in. LOL! Ok, whatever.
It shames you into either siding with their chosen position or staying quiet. Who wants to send a letter to their member of congress saying they support gun violence? Especially when you don’t control the whole content of that message.
Its designed to force you to either support their propaganda or remain quiet.
You can change the message it sends, I did it and just changed the letter.
You can change the intro. I changed it to “I oppose violating the Second Amendment because…”
exactly.. by voting against civilian disarmament I am obviously opposed to “common sense” and an avid supporter of “gun violence” (which I can only assume means guns killing other guns).
I just noticed this. Here’s an actual copy/paste of the generated message it claims to be sending on my behalf:
“I oppose Common Sense Legislation to End Gun Violence.”
F**k you, popvox.
Must have been written by the same people who wrote the NREMT exam.
But, if it will ‘save one child’. Aint childrens lives more important than a ‘military slaughter machine’ like an assault rifle and other ‘weapons of war’? See, its “common sense” to choose a child over gun violence and machine guns.
God I hate libtards.
Nick, have you stopped beating your wife? 😉
The best part is when clicking either option, the next screen immediately shows the message (on the right side panel):
“REGISTRATION IS NEXT”
What a fantastic bit of foreshadowing posed as a sign-in message, don’t you think?
More true than they mean to be.
The oppose function doesn’t work. That obnoxious dwarf Bloomberg is as much a propagandist on this “survey” as he is a pathological liar in real life.
like hell am I gonna sign in or register to vote on that page. I get enough junk email as it is.
Um… Shouldn’t a well regulated MILITIA have some familiarity with military style firearms? You know, the ones with STANDARD CAPACITY mags that hold around 30 rounds? I’m on board with common sense gun control, but my idea of common sense is based in logic and actual data. I’m wacky like that.
It’s really a trick poll. Look at the options again:
1. Require criminal background checks for ALL gun sales, including private sales.
2. Ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
3. Make gun trafficking a federal crime.
So how many of us really want gun trafficking to not be a crime? Some (many) probably would hit support if two out of thre apply or they feel really strong about just one.
They know that they have decent support on #1 and have great support on #3. The real question is sandwiched in between the two. Great trick and it should get them a nice result that we will see in the main stream media soon.
Suspicious, but only the “support” button was visible on my iPad. Had to guess where the oppose button was.
This was my oppose response. I am probably now on a watch list
“I oppose Legislation to End Gun Violence because… Just saying it is common sense doesn’t make it so. The recent mass murderers either used stolen guns, guns bought by illegal straw purchase, or passed a background check. Some used 30 round mags, some used ten, some used handguns, some used rifles. Bottom line is all the legislation proposed would have done little to stop them. This fact has even been acknowledged by Bloomberg himself in an interview where he stated he wanted to go after handguns next. Semi auto rifles, in fact all rifles, are used in a small number of crimes. Overall gun crime and homicide is on the decline. The places where gun crime is highest are large urban areas with strict gun laws as well as disparate wealth and poverty. Plus many gun laws currently aren’t being enforced. Furthermore 98% of spree killers attack in gun free zones. Do not take away my constitutional rights because a .00001% percent of society commits crime. By the way, Bloomberg, why don’t you go back to NYC and continue fighting against soda, sugar, trans fat, ear buds, and plastic bags you 1%er tyrant.”
This is looking more and more like Obamacare passage Mk II. They were blocked with the initial rush to legislation, so now they’ve immediately rallied into a slow, steady push. The president is cheerleading from the sidelines, talking heads are nattering on TV about how opposition is villainous, and individual legislators are being targeted in Washington. They’re just going to keep it up – for months of they have to.
We have to keep pushing back continuously if we want to beat it.
It is hilarious how blatant their slant on the issue is. If you disagree with their viewpoint you are automatically against common sense and pro violence. Blatant bias and ignorance of facts, yet the media and MAIG will point to this poll when stating ‘Americans support more gun control!’
Naturally. They’re liberals.
Since it’s their opinion, it must be the correct one. To suggest they might not have come to the correct conclusion in forming their opinions would be to undermine their presumption that they are smarter than the proles which they must govern. If it’s not their natural right to lord over their presumed inferiors, then that would suggest they aren’t automatically as smart as they think they are. If they’re not smarter than all the proles, then… etc, etc, etc.
They can’t be wrong. They can’t *allow* it to be true that they’re wrong.
“Gun violence”? I think gang violence, sociopath violence, etc would be more appropriate.
Apparently the anti-gunners have never heard of the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs. The problem isn’t a gun or iron bar, the problem lies in the evil within society.
😉 I left a comment to the sight that they should be ashamed at running such an obviously fixed poll
if it wasn’t biased, it wouldn’t support their cause. they are well aware of what they’re doing. no different than media suddenly covering stories of any and all shootings post-newtown.
I’m looking at the nj votes 14 out of the fist 20 are from screen names anonymous with 6 or 7 numbers after it in support of not so common sense gun laws and 0 of 20 names opposed are anonymous. Seems fishy that the majority of 90 some percent of nj chooses a very similar name
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they’d found a way to rig this poll. They’ve been doing it with twitter campaigns for a while now. If you look at all the other firearms/2A-related polls on popvox, none of them have the overwhelming support the MAIG bill does. Just screams foul play.
I am all for “common sense” gun control — For instance, I support law prohibiting the Attorney General of the United States from selling guns to Mexican drug lords.
RIGHT! 80 vs 20 of how many “votes” is the question. I think we need to give this another look.
I had a completely different experience on the site than most of the rest of y’all.
But I had to explore a little to the gist if how it worked. You might have pulled the trigger (haha) on canceling out too soon!
First, lets get this straight. The TITLE of the Bill is “Common Sense Legislation to End Gun Violence “.
Choosing “Oppose” didn’t mean that one was opposing what the TITLE “said” it was opposing the CONTENT of the bill with that (trick) title.
If the Title had been … “Dumbass Ideas About Guns” … then selecting the ‘I Oppose’ button would have been a clearer choice, yes?
Anyway I clicked ‘Oppose’, left a message for congress as to why and clicked “finished”.
Then, this is the good part, the site offered up more anti-gun and related bills that are working their way through congress (!) most of which I wasn’t even aware existed. You could elect to comment and vote up or down on those as you wised. So I did, on about TWENTY bills.
What was REALLY interesting is while the “Common Sense …” piece of doo-doo legislation shows 80% For/20% Against, the REST of the anti-gun proposals were OPPOSED by Huge Margins. Seriously!
That’s why you might want to go back, take your time and take a second look.
If 1/10 of people who read TTAG would go back and vote on MAIG bill I think we could reverse the poll.
Wouldn’t that be fun.
i finally was able to get a vote in. I was having the same problem other people were reporting with the bad gateway. Just so everyone knows, you’ll have to setup an account and give your name, email, address and phone number (all required data) to vote on the issue.
i couldn’t find anything on the site as to when this started. so i’m curious as to how long it took maig to get 50,000 votes for it.
Interesting how to be able to state an opinion you have to give them a way to get back at you. They now have irrespective of what the person’s position on the issue-your name, address, e-mail, and telephone number. This information depending on your vote could be used for rallying or harassment. Am I being paranoid? In today’s atmosphere concerning firearms in this country, and taking into account who sponsors this exercise-NO……………..
@pantera – i thought about the same thing so i used a google voice phone # and a secondary email account that i could dump if needed. of course there’s no way to totally protect yourself. but using google voice, you can at least shut down those calls once they start coming.
A search on Reddit shows that this exact link on Popvox was posted at least two months ago.
I held my nose and registered and voted in opposition.
Me too. Let’s blow this bitch out, AI.
I wonder how many of these anti-firearms mayors are just pissed because their parents never owned firearms or trusted them to handle firearms.
This was my post:
“I oppose Common Sense Legislation to End Gun Violence because none of this is common sense and none of it will end gun violence. This is hilarious. Unfortunately the 2nd amendment exists. On the background checks side of things, stopping private sales between friends and other law abiding people will not stop the gang member and meth head from trading their stolen Glock 22 for a baggie of meth. As for the Assault weapon nonsense, you have a pretty tough hill to climb legally speaking. You’re going to have to prove #1 that the most popular rifles in the country are not common, #2 that a weapon that the government calls a “personal defense weapon” has no relation to self defense and #3 that cosmetic features being added to a firearm suddenly make it “dangerous and unusual” enough to warrant putting it in the same class as rocket launchers and grenades. Have fun with that! On the magazine side have fun proving to the courts that placing an arbitrary limit on magazine size with no evidence to back up its effectiveness is not vague. You’re not facing rational basis, you’re going to be facing down strict scrutiny or most likely a historical standard basis. Can’t wait for it to backfire!”
I tried to vote but then it expected me to register with the site, screw that!
@leo338 – i felt the same way and in all likelihood, the numbers could be exaggerated by people who are working for MAIG. but it’s better to not give MAIG any more ammunition than they currently have, regardless of how false it could be.
This isn’t a MAIG site. They poll all manner of pending fed legislation.
Internet polls are just astroturfing platforms. Unless you record web addresses you can vote early and often. I bet we could organize TTAG readers to swing this poll it no direction with ease. It’s like all star voting.
Voted!
My reaponse: I oppose Common Sense Legislation to End Gun Violence because…the phrase “common sense” has been hijacked by the liberal media. Naming Obamacare “The Affordable Health Care Act” did not make it so. To wit, that bill is an onerous series of 23 new taxes. Here’s some common sense – the next Lanza, Holmes, or Loughner is out there. They need to be stopped by an armed good guy before they rack up a body count. That good guy does not have to work for the government or wear a uniform. Want an example? The Clackamass mall shooter was stopped by a civilian legally carrying a concealed handgun. If that had happened in Newtown, we wouldn’t have to endure all of these asinine laws being proposed by ignorant politicians who have never seen or opposed violence firsthand.
Herr Farago, think you should go incognito and signup & let us know how the grass is deadlier on the victim disarmament’s side.
lol.
Alot of the so called “members” on the board are convicted felons.
My response was that I oppose MAIG defining what is considered common sense. I’m usually for common sense things, but these proposals are far from common sense.
What the hell. Had a stinging response to this that got lost in translation. Whatever. Clicked ‘oppose’, guess that’s the important part. Murricuh.
Easy to see why the vote is so skewed. The information they want from you to cast a vote is so detailed it makes you want to have a special identity for voting. I’ll be interesting to see if spam results from voting.
Your responses are actually sent to your representatives in Congress. Hence wanting you to be a real person who they can line up with an appropriate congressperson in your state/district.
It’s hilarious how many people here are balking at the registration. This isn’t just some random web poll.
I never assume any polling is “random”. It is generally information sought by someone with an agenda. I these guys are “listing left”, then I would assume they have an interest in identifying folks who are self proclaimed firearms owners.
Given that, I don’t see how the concern is not warranted. I had the whole thing filled out along with an appropriate but professional remark and was prepared to send it until it asked for all of the information we would all rather not be available to everyone.
So I dumped it.
We may well find ourselves facing unwanted scrutiny, someday, but knowingly placing yourself in the database of the enemy camp just to say you got a chance to vent, isn’t wise or even slightly productive.
Many Martyrs have faced burnings, crucifixion, beheadings, boiling in oil, hanging et al, but very walked up to the execution site, untethered…and no, I am not equating this fight with Christian Martyrdom; just an analogy.
That’s a bunch of crap. They want addresses, phone etc. Can you say “database”?
Mayors Bought by Bloomberg’s Billions can kiss my @ss. How’s that for common sense?
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