Reader John Doyle writes:
I’ve been a PR flack for 30 years and a GLOCK owner for just a few months. In fact, my GLOCK 19 is the first firearm I’ve ever purchased. But after witnessing firsthand the potential public relations crisis surrounding the SIG SAUER P320 semi-automatic pistol, I’ve decided that I’m going to become a SIG owner.
I didn’t make this decision lightly. I understand from reading countless firearms forums that allegiance to a firearm brand can rival allegiance to a beloved sports franchise.
But I’ve read enough to know that SIG SAUER firearms in general and the P320 specifically are among the safest handguns on the market today.
And SIG’s handling of this situation tells me that they care as much about the safety and integrity of their products as they do about their sterling reputation. And they are willing to do whatever it takes to preserve both.
Unless you’ve been wearing your ear protectors all week, you’ve heard about a video that shows the SIG P320 firing when dropped at a certain angle.
Omaha Outdoors, which produced the video, was quick to point out that the P320 and all of SIG SAUER firearms meet and exceed all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI).
The fact is, at a very specific angle, the P320 does appear to fire when dropped.
Frightening stuff, right? Not really. First, as SIG points out on page 25 of the P320 owner’s manual, “Although extremely unlikely, it is still possible for any loaded firearm to discharge when dropped.” That includes SIG, Beretta, Ruger, even my GLOCK.
In fact, GLOCK has its own problems associated with having to depress the trigger when disassembling it—an issue that the P320 owner never has to worry about. Does that mean I’m going to stop firing my GLOCK? Not likely. I’ll just be extra careful when I take it apart.
And other pistols have other safety “issues” that the P320 does not. Some 1911 owners, for example, install extremely light triggers to improve accuracy which, while rare, can lead to unintended discharges and serious legal consequences—issues that P320 owners simply do not have to worry about.
Looking at this issue from a PR perspective, I was really impressed with the way that leading firearms bloggers and correspondents comported themselves. As someone who is brand new to this community, I saw an amazing amount of fact-based, informative reporting on what could have been a volatile issue.
Unlike the kind of hysterical and intentionally misleading stories you often find in the general media, the firearm community showcased their expertise and rationality. Jeremy S. did a great article explaining the mechanics behind how the P320 failed the drop test as well as how SIG was going to fix the problem.
Soldier Systems’ piece on how SIG tests their firearms was very helpful for a newbie like myself to understand exactly what was going on. And Mark Keefe at the American Rifleman wrote a great piece putting the P320 “sharknado” of concern into perspective while providing helpful context. He even wryly reminds us that, “The first lesson is that dropping guns, regardless of on what axis, is bad.”
The fact is guns are inherently dangerous, which is why all responsible gun owners practice safe gun handling. And that’s also why responsible gun owners have made SIG SAUER one of the most popular firearms company on the planet—because compared to other leading gun manufacturers, their safety record is outstanding.
I’m looking forward to hearing the details of the SIG P320 voluntary upgrade on Monday. In the meantime, I plan to keep calm and SIG on.
What bothers me is that they had the upgraded parts already and continued produce and sell pistols without them. It wasn’t until the video came out that they offered them to the public.
As I understand it, those upgraded parts weren’t designed to prevent this discharge. They were meant to address specific desires by the US Army in regards to trigger feel, and it also happens that they resolve the issue of it discharging when dropped a specific way.
Stop crying, you sound like you need a safe space with bunnies to pet and hug, Sig has an issue, and it’s going to get fixed, check yourself
You kind of answered your own question there. You referenced the video. The video was the one that noticed that 3 of the 4 test guns they had would fire. The only one that didn’t fire was the one with the upgraded trigger. Did you really want them to engineer a new trigger when they had a part on the self that worked? I don’t own a Sig but I have been pleased with their response. Much better than Springfield Armory did a couple of months ago.
no worries. they only do that after the frame has melted a little bit.
“But I’ve read enough to know that SIG SAUER firearms in general and the P320 specifically are among the safest handguns on the market today…”
Not unless you confuse “pulling the trigger on a loaded gun” with “the gun firing without the trigger being pulled” which this author seems to do.
I prefer a gun that disassembles without needing to pull the trigger. Heck, I’m a fan of the DASA Sigs over glocks (which I don’t have much love for). But if the gun fires because you pulled the trigger to take it down without emptying the chamber, it is still USER ERROR. If a gun fires when dropped, it is mechanical/design error. Sorry, big difference. Not firing unless the trigger is pulled is a necessary component of being a modern gun, right next to ‘firing when trigger IS pulled.’
Not sure I understand the big hang up on pulling the trigger before disassembling a firearm. If you are practicing safe handling procedures you remove the magazine, lock the slide back and look and feel inside the chamber, release the slide and point in a safe direction before pulling the trigger. I have handguns that require pulling the trigger (Glock and Springfield) and some that don’t (Sigs and 1911s), but I always follow the same process before disassembly.
IF!
There are lots of people who had had NDs while performing this procedure. No, they didn’t follow proper safety protocols. But if you can choose to use- or in the case of government agencies \ the military- issue a gun that doesn’t have that quirk that introduces another chance for injury due to error- it’s definitely worth considering.
Lots of people have had NDs while field stripping their gun, but not because pulling the trigger was required to remove the slide. It was because the gun could be fired without a magazine in place.
Having a magazine disconnect safety, like the Hi Power, eliminates this problem.
However, everyone hates that feature so few guns posses it.
What SIG is claiming as a big safety feature is a load of bull. A user can still stupidly assume the gun is empty because he removed the magazine. Has there never been a field strip related ND with a P226? How about a 1911 or M9?
Having to squeeze the trigger to remove the slide adds no risk whatsoever, and I challenge anyone to find statistics that show otherwise.
What he seems to be saying is that the gun fires when dropped in a very specific way. Other handguns may fire when dropped in various similar and dissimilar manner. Remember that the P320 has been out for three years before this became a problem, and arguably only went viral due to the fact that it won the MHS (and Glock’s major hissy fit about losing).
If that’s what he meant to say, he’s making an assumption without evidence. With all the glocks out there in the world, you don’t think a problem like this would be discovered? Not to mention we already have a ‘real world’ example of someone getting shot, allegedly due to a dropped sig. We’ll see, because I bet plenty of people are testing various guns right now (TTAG that might be a good idea for an article as well).
But what he actually wrote was that other guns have safety ‘issues’ and went on to list several guns that have no mechanical defect but instead work as they are intended, as if that bolsters his rather strange claim that the sig, with this KNOWN defect, is somehow as safe as other guns.
“… with this KNOWN defect…”
That’s not a defect, it’s a feature.
Imagine the scenario that many here tell us happens often enough that they feel a necessity to carry everywhere they go…
A bad guy pulls a gun on you, you reach for your gun, bad guy sees this and yells, “Drop it!”
You continue to pull your SIG, and obediently drop it.
BANG! Bad guy drops dead. Responding cops tell you you are a hero, and praise you for choosing a SIG.
Now, you are making lots of money by being in SIG ads, and can afford to buy the Glock you’ve always wanted.
AMEN to that!! These Glock fanboys are such winers!!
Thank you Hannibal. This article lost all credibility with me when he showed that he didnt know the difference between “mechanical error” and “user error”. And I stopped reading when he equated “factory new firearms” with “manufacturer non-recomended owner modified firearms”. Apples and oranges.
“Not firing unless the trigger is pulled is a necessary component of being a modern gun, right next to ‘firing when trigger IS pulled.’”
Here’s the thing. –
The trigger *was* being pulled, for all practical purposes, by the *mass of the trigger itself*, when it hit the floor…
We’re getting into the weeds here a bit. Even if the trigger moving due to the impact disengaged the passive safety, it still wasn’t what fired the gun- the striker was also released without the trigger ever being pulled back to the point of firing. I don’t think even the biggest apologist for Sig would say that the gun works as designed to have it go off when the trigger moves slightly back (without anyone actually touching it). So you have two failures here, when you think about it.
In short: I’m sure you know what I meant.
Exactly!
“If a gun fires when dropped, it is mechanical/design error.”
At the very least, it’s also a user error. That gun didn’t drop itself. The proximate cause of the discharge is someone dropping the gun. It’s pure accident that it lands a specific way.
I don’t own a Sig, I do own a Glock. I have wondered if the Glock, if dropped such that it lands in a certain way, might go off, if loaded. It might. I haven’t heard of exhaustive drop testing on any gun.
But if any gun fires when its dropped, why is it only the maker’s fault?
I’ve never seen releasing the striker before disassembling a Glock as a “problem”. Check chamber, point in safe direction, press trigger, disassemble – easy.
It’s not a problem, unless you’re such a nervous nellie that you think dry fire practice is dangerous too.
It’s just the usual Glock bashing.
I’ve been checking p320 prices like a vulture since this news dropped. Will probably wait for 80% though.
I’d like to buy low, for once in my life, too. If only I wanted a polymer gun:-(
I bought mine 2 days before the storm broke…already fired it. I could have saved a bundle.
I think I really appreciate Glock now more than ever, because they haven’t dropped to the level of irresponsible people. Haven’t made a model with a safety, (barring the military model, but that’s a different story) they “require” a trigger pull to disassemble, and they don’t play the super safety card all of the time. Seems they make a fighting gun for people who are smart enough not to shoot themselves with a firearm. If you don’t like them, fine, but don’t say that because your gun disassembles without pulling the trigger that it’s somehow better, or the Glock is inferior.
Yes, I’m a Glock fanboy, but I would defend any gun that doesn’t pander to people who aren’t smart enough to unload the gun prior to field strip. You are dealing with a potentially dangerous device, grow up, and act accordingly.
^^^This. So much this. There’s no safety system you can develop that some idiot won’t overcome with sheer stupidity and/or force of will.
I’m not a Glock “fanboy” but I own a few. Never once have I gone to field strip one and fired the gun because I’m not a moron and I make sure it’s unloaded first.
Due to it’s quirks I wouldn’t say a Glock is a gun for a total newbie but it’s a perfectly safe gun provided that the user has basic experience and isn’t a retard. If gangsters the world over can figure out how to use a Glock without shooting themselves or a homeboy I think most people can handle it.
True, you can never create an ‘idiot proof’ gun but I’m not sure it’s fruitless to try and make one ‘idiot-resistance’ as much as possible and within reasonable means.
So, all things being equal, I’d rather have a gun that doesn’t require the trigger pull for disassembly. But, all other things are rarely equal…
My Glock 26 was bought when I was a total newbie. Second gun to my Springfield XD9. I don’t see what the issue is either. I’m an adult and safety comes first. I never questioned the safety of the takedown process because I didn’t know anything different.
As I studied and researched guns I always felt Glock et al are the BEST guns for new users. And this only really applies to carriers. Not guns for fun or target shooting. I personally don’t think beginners should carry a gun or keep one at home for self defense that has a safety or decocker. I believe it is best to have a simple manual of arms. Striker fired, round in the chamber, no safety.
GLOCK 17M…IMPD…August 2016
I think you
shillsjokers forgot to add the PAID CONTENT disclaimer.Seriously. Has this guy had his head in the sand? The other changes in the new design I can understand based on feedback, but there was no need for the upgraded design to have a light weight trigger unless they knew about the problem (which they probably did after the officer that got shot by a holstered gun back at the beginning of the year). They hid the problem for months while continuing to build guns with the older unsafe design and then flat out denied there was anything wrong when the safety of the gun was questioned. It wasn’t until Multiple videos came out showing that the gun wasn’t safe that they finally acknowledged there was a problem and then offer a free “upgrade” instead of issuing a recall.
Name a gun company that admits to knowing about a problem, look at Glock, every time they have a new Gen pistol they never admit, it’s only when PDs or Feds make a fuss that they offer to fix. Hell Glock invented the negligent discharge, they’ve even facilitated children firing accidentally, say what you will look up US DOJ statistics, and you want to mention safety, WOW
It’s not the guns fault you can’t stop pulling the trigger. Be an adult and don’t pull the trigger. Judging from the hate of your comment, I’d assume it’s probably pretty difficult for you to be responsible for your own actions.
Please though, continue to be a liberal and blame the gun instead of the people misusing them.
The author does sound like a PR professional. A little bit too transparent though. Not sure if intentionally. In any case, ditching a Glock and replacing it with another firearm to satisfy shallow rooted brand allegiance of a self admitted newbie is beyond any logical chain I have ever witnessed.
Yep. They definitely sound like a PR professional, maybe one hired by SIG to deal with this mess.
Yeah this seems like the worst kind of fanboyism, to be honest. It’s one thing to dismiss price or talk about looks, but we’re talking about the basic safety drop-proof function of a gun and this guy is just hand-waving it away.
The armadillo story was more believable.
Looks like I’m outa the mainstream here (imagine that!), but I appreciate the writer’s take on Sig’s current kerfluffle. Always interesting to hear the perspective of a relative newcomer to “gun culture”, and especially in light of his background in PR.
I carry a Glock 19 regularly, swapping out for a pocketed (& holstered) XDS from time to time. I’ve got a full size P320 that in my inexpert hands, shoots better than the 19. Wonder how the compact would do? I wouldn’t be averse to adding one to that empty spot in the safe…
I’m curious now to see someone test a whole lot of handguns of all brands and see if they are able to replicate the problem. I have a suspicion that there are more problems like this out there; the only reason it became such huge news is because of the MHS.
^this is what I’ve been talking about as well!
“I’m curious now to see someone test a whole lot of handguns of all brands and see if they are able to replicate the problem.”
Or if other problems come to light.
I’ve said several times that doing this type of testing isn’t practical. In fact, it’s economically prohibitive.
Consider the testing protocol (you can’t simply start dropping guns, there must be a protocol so that the effects can be repeated reliably); each gun (consider the cost of buying this many guns!) must be dropped within so many degrees (let’s say 15°) on each axis (there are three), and each combination of those axes. That’s 13824 drops for each gun, assuming you are only considering one center of gravity for the drop series. But the center of gravity changes when you consider the effect the magazine has on it, then consider full vs empty vs partially loaded, and the number of drops goes up considerably.
And, of course, each gun maker must do their own testing, lest the claim of bias is made.
Do we really expect this type of testing? I don’t want to pay for such testing, and I seriously doubt there are very many here who do.
Drop testing can be (and I believe is) automated to a degree. Hang the item on wire harness that does not immediately restrain it in horizontal direction, and you can smack it with a hammer attached to manipulator arm from lower hemisphere, all day long. Achieve discharge and test the suspicious direction/strike point more thoroughly.
Doing comprehensive testing by hand is, as you have said, indeed slow and expensive. Besides, angle granularity of 15 degrees might not have cut it with P320, so even more drops would be required.
You don’t have to actually drop a gun to simulate a drop in a test scenario. Could be easily automated.
Keep it. I’ll stick to my H&K. Sig Sauer recalls and “upgrades” have become all to common. Makes you wonder what other issues slid past testing?
The HK270 had a problem with failure to eject, and would sometimes fire full auto. Or so I’ve heard. (From a HK forum)
Nothing is perfect.
Thats a rimfire rifle that they haven’t made in years. If that is their worst civilian issue…I’m fine with that.
“I’ve been a PR flack for 30 years and a GLOCK owner for just a few months. In fact, my GLOCK 19 is the first firearm I’ve ever purchased.”
Credentials needed to write for TTAG: a couple months of pistol ownership.
We clearly identify this post in the byline as being written by “reader John Doyle” as opposed to one of our regular writers.
In fact our blog has always been open to contributions from readers and always will be. You included. Want to write something for us? See this:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/write-for-us/
As long as it’s about guns and well-written, we’ll probably run it.
‘Well-written’ doesn’t exactly describe a piece that is, at bottom, a bit of PR puffery struggling to excuse a fatal defect in a product. It also doesn’t describe one that conflates a mechanical defect (firing when dropped) with a negligent discharge (stupidly pulling the trigger of a loaded gun while trying to ‘field-strip’ it).
‘Unethical’ is a better word.
Guns don’t just drop, any more than cars just hit utility poles.
Someone negligently drops them.
So these are negligent discharges too.
And no, I don’t own a Sig.
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That would make more sense than someone NOT being paid expressing this… but honestly, I would not be surprised i he’s just suffering cognitive dissonance (but but… sig is supposed to be GOOD! I bought one of them! I bought into their image! If they’re bad… well, that might make my judgement bad!) instead of being paid.
I own five complete P320 pistols and two exchange kits. They replaced several Glocks. Suffice it to say, I like them quite a bit. That being said, there is so much logic fail in this article that I don’t even know where to begin.
I’m pretty pissed right now and have pulled all my P320’s from their various roles. I am debating going out and buying a CZ or Glock to cover me for the next 2 years while I wait for my pistols to come back from SIG, if ever.
I love love love my P320 full size with Romeo sight. Replaced my 20 year old 92fs and I don’t regret the switch. The P320 is extremely accurate and the dot sight is quicker to acquire than the iron sights. I will probably have the upgrade installed only because they say the trigger is better. That would be amazing because the one it came with it is great already.
To JD, the first time gun owner. Thank you for the lecture that guns are inherently dangerous.
“Unlike the kind of hysterical and intentionally misleading stories you often find in the general media, the firearm community showcased their expertise and rationality.”
While I will agree with you that TTAG and maybe a couple other places did a great job handling this story you must not have spent any time on The Firearm Blog. I typically like them but they were going all out attacking Sig. They blamed Sig for knowing about this specific issue and not fixing it with no evidence to back it up. They kept claiming the new fix wouldn’t be good enough despite the fact that many other media members have seen it be drop tested. They treated it like some huge issue that Sig handled very poorly. Working the weekend testing fixes and inviting the media over immediately to be transparent about what is going on sounds like they handled it pretty well to me.
I do agree though that TTAG handled this story very well. They only used facts and seemed to report everything very fairly.
Sure, but a nice 226 and you will be set for life.
My first Sig was a P226DAK .40. Just too darn big to comfortably carry as a CCW. Discovered the P320 Compact and found it fit my hand better and was every bit as pleasant to shoot as the 226. Not worrying about the aledged issue, I’ll continue to carry the little beauty as I have no immediate plans to throw, or drop it in the particular way necessary to “maybe” cause it to fire.
…..Humph…..I stopped reading at “Keep……”…….I hate stupid red signs that get pirated……stay safe, gun world……….. 🙂
I don’t get the whole issue of pulling the trigger for disassembly of a Glock. You do realize you follow basic firearm safety and ensure the firearm is cleared before disassembling a Glock? You act as if to disassemble a Glock, you have to randomly pull the trigger at a random time when the gun feels like setting off an alarm. No, you pull the trigger after you’ve removed the magazine and clear the chamber and verify that the firearm is safe, then you pull the trigger while pointing in a safe direction. Sig’s issue is worse than Glock’s non-issue. This whole article seems suspicious either way and doesn’t help Sig’s reputation or makes me see them in any positive light.
The whole article sounds like it was written by a f—–g idiot.
To me it sounds more like somebody got paid to write it. Did TTAG get paid to post it? I don’t know. But they are either not admitting that this is paid content or they are too stupid to notice that it’s essentially a PR release, claiming it’s from a reader. Riiiiiiight.
Oh fuck you. TTAG has for years been VERY transparent about when a post is sponsored or when they got reviewed gear for free (to keep or just on loan) versus paying for it. You’ve been here long enough to be well aware of that. So since I think we can agree it wasn’t a “paid post,” that leads me to ask: You’ve been coming here an awful long time and consumed an awful lot of content from people you just called stupid. What does that say about you?
If it sorta sounds like a PR flack wrote it, it’s because a PR flack did write it. He said so, in the very first sentence. Ergo, you can expect some phrasing and construction that sounds like a press release, because that’s what this guy does for a living. It’s inevitable. Just like I would expect to find drool on some of the keyboards that penned the comments about this being a paid shill piece.
It’s an opinion piece from a gun owner, nothing more. Just because it said “I’m going to keep mine” instead of “Melt down all the SIGs and burn the factory” doesn’t automatically mean it’s a massive conspiracy.
Awww, did I make baby cry? Calm down white knight, go play with your fidget spinner and take it easy. Sure, I do visit this site in hopes of finding good content. While there are some who post interesting articles from a legal perspective, I’ve been sorely disappointed with everything else. Every day I ask myself why do I bother with this site due to how crappy it has become. How did that saying go… “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again!”
The whole situation with Sig handling this is weird. They knew about it for a long time, but publicly claimed everything is OK, basically telling everyone ‘move along, nothing to see here.’ Now the stink got too big to ignore. Not only do they have a solution ready in mere days (which is only plausible if they knew about the problem for a while and came up with new design recently, while never admitting anything was wrong until now). They also invite bloggers to eat up their damage control PR, which you promptly oblige, while downplaying their defective design. This whole thing seems forced, the OP’s “opinion” and the way bloggers partake in making Sig look good, instead of holding their feet to the fire.
But how dare anybody criticize how this damage control is being handled, right? It’s much easier to tell your readers to fuck off.
No white knight, no crying, and for the love of all that is good and holy, no fidget spinners. Like they say about meth, “not even once.”
You’re not criticizing how the damage control is being handled. Bringing that up after the fact is goalpost moving of the finest variety. Literally none of the comment I responded to has to do with SIG itself or that company’s response to the issue at hand. Instead, it’s all conspiracy theories and baseless accusations against the author of the post and TTAG who published it. That is what I take issue with.
What the hell? Sig needs to do a recall. Voluntary upgrade?! Give me a break. How much did Sig pay you for this article Robert?
That man could have saved a lot of money to Glock in 1992.
I own a glock 19, glock 23 excellent firearms I also own a spring field xds 45 along with Sig p320, 226, nightmare 1911 even a hk vp9 and I have found each one of them to have its good qualities and bad. By practicing SAFE gun handling and awareness I have not had any issues of any I have, that being said shooting for fun or just practicing the sigs seem to be more accurate with a better trigger pull, along with my hk. The xds is my choice of carry even with its hard trigger pull, because of its size and feel. Whether it is one of these or any other pistols out there its not safe practice to drop them or clean them loaded. So to all gun owners stop bashing Sig or any of the other gun company any thing mechanical can fail, but be smart and responsible and bad things won’t happen. To Sig good luck fixing this problem and I will keep enjoying shooting my p320.
If I actually liked the P320, and had a need for another polymer pistol, I’d try to see if I could get one for cheap from a Sig owner trying to dump theirs.
But alas, the only Sigs I care about are the old classic metal framed ones…
OPs logic is funny to me BTW, so Sig did a decent job handling this PR nightmare? So what? I’m not going to run out and buy a gun I don’t necessarily need because of that.
“But I’ve read enough to know that SIG SAUER firearms in general and the P320 specifically are among the safest handguns on the market today.”
“Safest”? No……….poorly constructed? Yes………
As long as Ron Cohen reigns at SIG, their products will ALWAYS be suspect at best
““Safest”? No……….poorly constructed? Yes………”
I haven’t seen anyone (except you) complain about SIG’s construction capabilities.
This is all about design.
I don’t understand the big noise about pulling the trigger for takedown either. what’s the difference between that and dry fire practice?
Not for me, there is evidently issues with it discharge when dropped. They’re going to do a test this Monday. For me they are waiting too long. If it’s an issue it needs to be identified and a mandatory recall. Smith & Wesson for me. Strikefire proven and the new 2.0 is nice. I have M&P 40/shield 40. Taking apart painted buff all metal. Not one problem.I have 1.0 m&p .. you can look at your P320 as an upgrade in case you can’t get to your guns trigger fast enough you can throw it on the ground. You can do that with my M&P but it won’t discharge.lol tested 20 times myself. Was not a planned test. But still jumped. Next gun will polymer80 v1.0 glock17 gen3 with 1911 grip and it will take m&p 40 slide . And the Glock 17 slide will fit in my m&p 40 frame.Sig does not do it for me. Besides I like to support American. Bad enough my government is taking my tax money and giving it to Sig. Or a Kimber , colt
I like my Hi Point 45.
If it were like the S&W Model 10’s, 15’s, second and third generation S&W semi-autos that police departments have tuned in for their latest Euro-weenie cheez-whiz toys, I’d be buying 320’s by the bucket-full.
But there’s nothing really special about the 320 that warrants people hopping on a PD turn-in deal, IMO. Cheez-whiz pistols are a dime a dozen any more. OK, so this one has problems. There’s at least three others to choose from that will do what the 320 does.
You sound like one of those idiots that went out and bought a Chevy… Even after we tax payers bailed them out as they still negligently installed and sold vehicles with known defects… Chevy changed to bright flat colors, lots of chrome, extra polish and told people like you that they are good…And like here, you are blinded and too careless to consider THE FACTS.. like all the others have said.. a stock sig being compared to an aftermarket 1911.. you are so lost I couldn’t begin to figure out where or why you would choose a negligently firing handgun.. like buying a Remington 700 after watching army training videos of untouched rifles going off…It isnt a “drop issue” it’s an unsafe feature, and a “lighter trigger” to help stop inertia from being created on a drop is just a patch. That trigger can still physically move enough to go off, it just needs some more help..
I get we (the USA) need to spend the money or the gov’t won’t get it again.. but why choose an inferior hand gun?
I wouldn’t buy a sig before and I certainly won’t buy one now.. a “voluntary upgrade”? Ruger would have taken it all the back to the drawing board. Hell, Smith and Wesson would have probably done the same…Sig? Well if you WANT to fix the feature we might could help you out.. what you don’t like it?
Still the fact remains that Sig produced a weapon that was not safe in the beginning which should not have occurred.No other major manufacturer had a weapon that fired when dropped.
That is unequivocally false
“and a GLOCK owner for just a few months. In fact, my GLOCK 19 is the first firearm I’ve ever purchased.”
That’s all I needed to read.
Glock 19 was the first gun I ever purchased. Haven’t needed to buy another handgun for self defense in over four years. Probably won’t ever.
Thank you for posting this reasonable assessment of the situation. You may be new to guns, but you’re clearly a seasoned vet when it comes to straight thinking.
Just want to add this to the discussion as is. Involves a DAO, real life situation, and a dropped gun. Perhaps this is realistically how all drop fire testing should be conducted. Enjoy.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705277512/Man-hurt-when-gun-blasts-toilet.html
Sig USA is a shady crap company that has ruined the reputation of Sig Sauer with pot metal rifle parts in their later models of 55x rifles intended for the U.S. market.
The fact that the P320 compact failed to complete reliability testing successfully during the MHS trials is mysteriously absent from any of the gunwriters gushing over this new pistol shaped turd that the army has adopted.
The US Navy and Marines are saying “screw it” and adopting Glock 19s for anyone that can find an excuse for a compact pistol in the hope they will be able to adopt them fleetwide in the next couple of years.
What is going on in the army, the MHS was originally supposed to be a formality on the road to acquiring Glocks with external safeties. The general who begged for the funding for the MHS testing before Congress is scratching his head wondering what happened and so am I.
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