Do you home carry? You should. If you need a(nother) reason, just look at the Sunday evening home invasion and hostage stand-off that took place in Kalamazoo County, Michigan. In the end, the homeowner died from his wounds and the intruder shot three cops before authorities finally took him into custody.
COMSTOCK TOWNSHIP, MI — Authorities are releasing more details on a hostage situation in Comstock Township that left a young husband dead and three officers injured.
It happened around 10:30 p.m. Sunday at a home in the 6300 block of Proctor Avenue near King Highway.
Kalamazoo County Sheriff Richard Fuller says a wife, her husband, and their child were watching television at the time when the suspect, unknown to the family, broke inside the residence and started, “40-minutes of mayhem.” Dispatchers received 911 calls from the wife inside the home who said her husband was downstairs with an intruder. Fuller says the wife “took their child out of harm’s way” and hid in another room in another part of the house.
Law enforcement officers from multiple departments arrived at the scene and the SWAT team was enroute when officers heard a gunshot inside the residence. Officers went into the home to “try to save lives,” according to Fuller.
A homeowner was killed inside the home. The victim has been identified as 22-year-old Christopher Ryan Lee Neal. Fuller says he is new to the community and recently moved in about two weeks ago.
A new homeowner? Perhaps the intruder thought the previous resident still lived there and had drugs, money or certain valuables. Either way, the intruder went in without regard for human life. Not only did he (allegedly) kill his hostage, but cops say he shot three responding officers before they dogpiled him.
Fortunately the wounded officers will survive. Unfortunately the homeowners didn’t have the means to fight back handy. And double-bad unfortunately. the male homeowner died.
On your person remains the safest place to keep a personal protection firearm. This goes for while you’re out in public as well as at home.
Sometimes people believe their home acts as a magical bubble that keeps evil at bay. Far from it. The walls of your home offer little more in the way of protection than those “no guns” signs work at keeping evil out of public spaces.
In a comfortable carry rig, with the right gun, you will oftentimes forget you have the gun on your person. But should you need it in a hurry, it remains right there.
Home carry, people. Home carry.
“authorities finally took him into custody.”
What a freaking shame…
Surprised me a bit – dogpiled him after he wounded three of them.
They didn’t want to open fire inside the house and risk taking out the rest of the family. Apparently KCSD cares more about collateral damage than NYPD does. They also believe in “putting their lives on the line”, which is frowned upon in “big city law enforcement”.
(Applause)
Yeah right! They dog-piled him because they had no choice; it was that or get shot in the back running away! The only difference between KCSD and NYPD is location!
Sometimes quarters are so close that shooting is just going to end up with blue on blue fire.
The mantra of the lefties. “GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT……..DON’T TAKE CHANCES”
When I’m tired from working out or doing honey do’s around the house I carry my FN FiveSeven, its light in a Bravo Concelament light bearing holster. For the rest of the days when I’m fresh I carry a Glock 19X in a Safariland ALS light bearing holster. As soon as I wake up and put on my pants I’m strapped up. It’s just part of the day as it should be for anyone…
Shame that MI doesn’t have the death penalty..
Well, that all depends on how far out in the boonies you are…
Better to let the self-made bastard live out his life as the wife of some perverted overgrown ape.
Glock 21 hollow points end of story. They break in send them to hell don’t believe in hell die without Christ and you don’t believe in God you will in death
If he was new he may have been from out of state.
Dunno how MI does things these days but back when I lived there a pistol permit was required to purchase a handgun. New to the state even if he was a gun guy he might have been figuring out how to jump through the legal hoops.
Where I grew up every house had a gun but very few had pistols because of the permitting process and the poverty of the area.
Michigan has a pistol registration system but not purchase permit system. I’ve only seen that in North Carolina. Grew up in Michigan, been stationed in NC.
I grew up in MI too and they had a permit to purchase for handguns. From the Legislature’s pen, last amended April 2018 (emphasis mine):
“28.422 License to purchase…
Sec. 2. (1) Except as otherwise provided in this act, a person shall not purchase, carry, possess, or transport a pistol in this state without first having obtained a license for the pistol as prescribed in this section.”
Now it goes on to say that if you move to the state you have 30 days to comply but if the guy didn’t know what was what he might well have “tried to comply” be being unarmed.
Here’s an example of the “license and application to purchase a pistol”, example from 2013.
https://www.tuscolacounty.org/sheriff/doc/RI-010EXAMPLE.pdf
So I did some GoogleFu to double check the veracity of your information and got mixed messages. First, Google said that a permit to purchase was not required, but pew pew tactical (and others) said it was. Unless Google was intentionally giving bad advice to get gun owners thrown in jail (wouldn’t put it past them) then everyone else was wrong.
Upon further research, purchases from FFLs are exempt form the law.
Basically, the pistol purchase permit requirement only applies to private purchases. In order to get one, an individual has to go through a check for disqualifying factors with the state police.
This makes it essentially a “universal background check” law.
I was confused because I’ve bought all my handguns from FFLs so I had never run into this issue before. Thanks for sending me down this rabbit hole, it was educational
Source for your reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Michigan#cite_note-14
Michigan requires a pistol purchase license to purchase a pistol PRIVATE sale. So in other words, Michigan has universal background checks on legal pistol purchases. To purchase/sell a pistol privately the buyer needs a CPL OR pistol purchase license.
However, ANYONE who can legal own a pistol may purchase one from an FFL dealer with the standard background check and no need for a CPL or PPL. I know this because I bought my first pistol in Michigan from a FFL, then went and got my CPL after. I never applied for a PPL and took my CPL class with a pistol that had been legally purchased from a FFL in Michigan.
Northern Michigan,
That is true.
Michigan law still requires that you submit a copy of the handgun sales record to your local police department who are supposed to then issue you a handgun license specific to that handgun (unless they allow you to keep the sales record as your “license” specific to that handgun). Regardless of whether or not they allow you to use your sales record as your license, if you did not submit a copy of the handgun sales record to your local police, then you are in violation of Michigan’s handgun laws which I believe is a civil infraction with something like a $300 fine for failing to register your handgun. (Whether or not Michigan will ever eventually realize that you failed to register your handgun acquisition and actually go through the trouble of fining you is anyone’s guess.)
The Huscarl,
Michigan requires a license to own a handgun, period. And, if you do not have a resident concealed carry license, you must have a license for EACH handgun specific to each handgun. That means Michigan has both licensing and registration of all handguns.
If you do not have a Michigan concealed carry license and want to purchase a handgun from a federal firearms licensee, you can simply go to the federal firearms licensee who calls in your purchase to the National Instant Criminal background check system. If the federal firearm licensee gets a “proceed”, they fill out a handgun purchase record (with make, model, and serial number) which you are required to file with your local police department within 10 calendar days. I presume that local police department then prints out your handgun license for that specific handgun.
If you do not have a Michigan concealed carry license and you want to acquire or purchase a handgun from a person in a private transaction, you must FIRST go to your local police department to get a purchase permit which I believe becomes your license after you fill-in the handgun’s make, model, and serial number. (The local police department will run a background check before issuing your purchase permit.) Then you have to file a copy of that purchase permit/license (with the specifics for your specific handgun) with your local police within 10 days.
If you have a Michigan concealed carry license, you have already passed a criminal background check and may immediately purchase any handgun from any private seller or federal firearm licensee, as long as you fill out a handgun sales record (which records the make, model, and serial number of that specific handgun) and file that with your local police department or the state police within 10 days. And that sales record, along with your concealed carry license, serves as your “handgun license” for each specific handgun.
Important note: if you do not have a resident concealed carry license, you cannot legally possess a specific handgun unless you have a license for that specific handgun. That means you cannot legally possess a friend’s or family member’s handgun. If you do have a resident concealed carry license, you can legally possess anyone’s handgun.
That is a byzantine system which sucks. It is exceedingly easy for an unwitting person who intends to follow the law to nevertheless violate the law. Somehow, I believe that is a feature, not a bug.
See below, but that isn’t case. Michigan requires a background check on each legal handgun purchase. The “license” you are talking about is a rarely used entity where upon police may issues a “purchase license” to someone without a CPL that wants to make a private party purchase. They are good for 30 days, then require reissue.
Handguns must be registered with the state (which does suck). However, this isn’t hard and happens mostly automatically with FFL handgun sales. The FFL must register as well, since they are the seller. The carbon copy form is filled out, the buyer gets their copy and their FFL will mail the registration copy to the PD. My FFL actually gives me the registration copy since I live within two blocks of my local PD/SD and it’s easier for me to just drop it off.
So to clarify, you don’t need a license to purchase (through an FFL) or own a handgun in Michigan, but they do have to be registered.
It’s unlikely that many private sales create an issue. Anyone with a registered pistol will know it is registered to them. They are unlikely to sell it off the books because they’ll get dinged if anything happens. If you have to go to the PD to get the sale/registration form, you’ll head back after to drop it off. I don’t think it’s a “good” system, and it does create unnecessary work and is an infringement, but it isn’t expensive or overly time consuming.
@ Northern Michigan:
“The carbon copy form is filled out, the buyer gets their copy and their FFL WILL MAIL the registration copy to the PD.” (Emphasis mine-DG.)
NEVER HEARD OF IT. In my neck of the woods (suburban Detroit) the FFL hands YOU the registration slip copy along with buyer’s copy, and YOU personally deliver the registration copy to the local PD (within 10 days of purchase).
When carrying the newly purchased handgun (if in possession of a CPL, of course), the buyer is required to keep the buyer’s copy of the registration slip on his or her person for 30 days following purchase of the handgun to show the police in case of a stop, but is NOT required to hold onto it after the 30 days have lapsed. (However, I do keep my registration slip buyer’s copies on file, anyway, just for the record.)
I just went through this complete process (once again) yesterday.
The law was changed a few years ago, to allow alternate background checks to replace the purchase permit, but the purchase permits have been around since 1927, thanks to Ossian Sweet and 90 years of legislative racists.
If you have a Michigan CPL, that’s your background check.
If you buy from a FFL, NICS is your background check.
If you buy from a private party, you can obtain a permit to purchase from LE, after LE performs a background check. The LE discretion originally intended to allow them to deny blacks is gone, but like all gun control it still is intended to discourage black men from participating.
No matter how you handle the background check, it’s still a crime to possess a modern handgun (BP and Air Pistols are now exempt) unless you have an out of state concealed carry license or have registered it with the state police.
FedUp:
Thanks for the mention of Ossian Sweet (MD). I grew up in Detroit and have lived in the area all of my life, but had never heard of Dr. Sweet. My mom might have known about him, since she would have been 18 years old in 1925, but I had never heard mention of him. Anyway, I looked him up on Wikipedia, and here is the web address, if anyone is interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossian_Sweet
Condolences to the family who lost their husband and father.
There’s never a time I don’t have my .38 in my waistband or pocket.
My “home” Glock is always nearby and ready with JHPs, at all times 24/7 when I’m home. Different than my EDC or trunk/field guns.
Apparently the police ran through incoming fire to tackle this guy, without firing a shot for fear of hitting the civilians still inside. A truly amazing feat of courage.
That is amazing with the mindset of today’s crop of cops remember Geronimo in new Mexico his fingers were too wide to retrieve. A ccw filthy bastard got to retire after murdering a guy in his car trying to comply with the pukes orders i pity the cops on judgement day
What the hell are you saying? 😧
Punctuation and sentence structure go a looong way towards making a statement intelligible.
My 1st grader does better at it than some of the posters on here (seriously, he does!).
*Grammer Nazi off*
It’s definitely a sad situation. A gun on hand could have easily changed things so that the right person died (the POS that broke in).
Not a single picture of the perp?
We all know what that means.
…uh, that he’s a minor and so they don’t release photos and the media won’t run them?
Police in Michigan typically don’t release the name of arrestees until arraignment.
Elderly Asian lady?
642 loaded with +p hollow points in my pocket as I type this, the least firepower I usually tote. Amen to home carry!
Too bad cops didn’t shoot Mr. Hostage Taker with a load of buckshot.
Sorry about the loss, my sympathy to the family.
Why is it cops mostly get things assbackwards? They dogpile this killer wannabe Babyface Nelson. And shoot an unarmed teenager in the back while he running away. Not the same individuals, I get that, but they’re all in the same tribe.
With training budgets what they are in alot of departments alot of sworn officers only ‘training’ is qualifying once a year. That’s NOT training.
For an officer to be effective, he needs to train at least ONCE per MONTH. It’s the same for your average civilian. If you don’t practice (and I’m not talking target shooting) you actually get worse re skills, fast.
Police have a very difficult job – made more so by not having the support of command, their political structure, or the public. Alot of public support could be gained by public statements of policy…i.e. we will/will not enforce unconstitutional gun laws etc. Or, we will/will not participate in confiscatory RICO stops. (where property is confiscated but no charges are filed).
If the pubic knew the policy of their department, they could support them or work to change the policies so that they could support them.
The officers that stopped this man, after three of them being shot, were exceedingly brave. Thank God we have men like that in public service.
Interesting that (at this point) we have the names of the deceased victim and one of the 3 officers who were wounded, but no mention of the perp’s name. The perp in the other officer-related shooting incident in the area has been released already.
Wonder if this one if a minor, or perhaps doesn’t have any ID on him/refuses to give his name?
Perps are named after they’re formally charged with a crime (arraigned), which usually happens the day after the arrest, if the prosecuting attorney is ready to file charges. Seems like home invasion, kidnapping, and first degree murder would be good to start with, maybe with a side order of attempted homicide of a LEO.
Ah, that explains it then. Thanks!
Or maybe the dirtbag doesn’t speak English because he’s not supposed to be in the US and they have no idea who he is.
Home carry G19 with HPs, about to stagger the HPs with ball ammo right now while I’m thinking about it. ball ammo for hogs…
I kinda sorta home carry. In every room of my house there is a handgun within arms reach. Sometimes that means more than one handgun. There’s also a ready rifle. However, if I begin to move around a little, and especially if I walk out the door, I drop my 442 and pocket softy in my RF.
Sounds like my house, G29 and AMT 22 automag next to the recliner, under counter mounted Coach Gun (12 guage) in the kitchen, Ruger P90 (45) 12 guage pump and rifle within arms length of the bed, 38 special in bathroom, 9mm in 2nd bath and 9mm in both spare bedrooms always take the Glock to the door and CC between it and the P90.. I would also suggest “ring type” doorbell w/a monitored camera at other entrances…. I use a 25 inch smart tv to keep watch on the doors..
I am the same way
Various guns are staged in different rooms in the house.
This way I am never more than three steps from a loaded gun and don’t have to keep it strapped to me at all times.
People have thought Im nuttz.
But Ive home carried 20/7/365 for over 20 years.
I do live alone.
Most times with a full sized 1911 in a shoulder holster so its not like Im hiding it from neighbors when the door bell rings.
Plus I have a Beretta 22LR next to me tucked in the couch cushion.
And my Sig P938 IWB is always on my person. Its 2 feet away on the bed at night when sleeping.
Then theres the Ruger PC40 behind my bedroom door with 2 – 20 round mags.
So maybe I am Nuttz, but Im also prepared. So enter my house at your own risk.
Consider a moat with Florida gators.
“I do live alone.” That’s surprising, not. Even in Florida it’s probably not easy to find a woman willing to live with a nut who hides guns in every corner.
Sorry your girl lost.
Wait a minute, Jay…
So whenever you’re on the couch watching TV, you have a 1911 Government, a Beretta, and a Sig P938 all right there with you?
No wonder you live alone. I luv me some gunz, but one home carry at a time is enough for me.
No excuse for not having a J frame in your pocket.
What if you’re not wearing pants?
Barami hip grip still works in your skivies!
Shoulder holster ! It’s a fashion statement.
One of those cheap nylon jobs that you can slip on even if you’re nekkid.
Belly band.
Belly Band??
Now there is a picture forever scorched into my brain……..
My condolences to the wife and child. Yeah I carry a gun when I go outside and 2 handguns in ez reach. Loaded with 2 loaded magazines beside them. And a loaded AR15 in the bedroom with 62 gr greentip. Trying to get the wife to home carry. It’s easier after the recent uptick in violent crime. At 22 I had a wife & kid and never gave a second thought to guns(I was a weightlifting champion). And the world was seemingly safer. Sigh…
Green tip sucks. 55gr or 77gr are both better.
Backed up with m193 NATO. AND it easily pierces body armour😏
They took him alive after wounding 3 deputies and killing the homeowner? What happened? Did the murder run out of bullets?
WHO’s shot killed the homeowner. Story doesn’t state.
If he had shown the intruder his life insurance policy, none of this would have happened.
Indeed!
I mean, it depends on your home. Not all homes are useless. You can turn yours into a fortress. Mine was built from the ground up with this in mind.
Mine is “ballistically transparent”.
A few weeks ago I was drunk and on my way home I entered the wrong property. The homeowner (I think) initially freaked, then he offered me to have a sit. Next thing you know we were drinking together as if we were good buddies. Hours (or days) later I woke up in a ditch, with a serious headache, and my butt was also hurting. So, you never know, the intruder might become the intruded.
You really don’t need to share the story of how you lost your virginity, it’s off topic conversation for this site.
That had to suck big time hiding in a room while your spouse gets toasted. May her God help her and her child through the loss, Amen
Home carry is why I only wear sweatshorts that have a string instead of elastic.
No one expects a draw from someone in relaxwear.
All of this could have been avoided if the family had their life insurance policy at hand when the intruder arrived.
Sorry that article from the weekend is still stuck in my head.
My thoughts exactly. What a joke.
Hard to know which way to go. If the father had a small child, carrying “all the time” isn’t necessarily an option. We’ve all seen failures in retention and or retention that allows small fingers to get into places they shouldn’t be (like inside the trigger guard). I carry “as much as I can” but it’s hard to justify it when I am rough housing on the floor with my kids. Beyond the fact that both my kids have gotten sore knuckles from trying to punch me and hitting my piece (or sore heads or feet), I’ve worried that if it pops out of retention, something bad could happen before I could retrieve it. I carry 100% of the time outside my home, but probably less than 50% of the time in my house. It’s not because I feel more comfortable or safer in my house (I don’t feel any safer in my house than I do walking down the street). It’s because I am aware that at any moment one of my kids could decide to start somethin’ and I don’t feel like going to disarm before I respond with a vicious zerberting.
Everyone’s circumstances are different. While this loss will never be anything but tragic, there is some solace in a young father who managed to hold off an intruder long enough for his wife and child to get someplace more safe.
I don’t have kids, but I do pocket carry a 642 when rough housing with the nephews. My sister (their mom) knows and isn’t worried. Pocket holster, jean front pocket carry, revolver, and don’t get the kids too wound up.
Northern_Michigan,
What you described sounds very sensible and responsible to me.
If I were in your shoes, I would be sure to keep your doors locked all the time. Why? Because intruders make a lot of noise when trying to breach locked doors and it usually takes an intruder at least a few seconds to breach a decent locked door. That provides the audible warning and time that you need to access a firearm in your home.
Pro tip: keep a pump-action shotgun (with empty chamber and loaded tube magazine) on each floor of your home — on pegs on the wall close to ceiling level. This allows immediate access for adults and denies access to young children.
(Note: by the time children are able to access that firearm near the ceiling, they will be old enough to know that they must leave it alone — assuming proper parenting. And even if young children somehow manage to stack up tables, chairs, and boxes to access that shotgun, the odds of them successfully cycling the action and loading it are extremely small.)
My doors have push button locks that “auto-lock” after they are used. I don’t own a pump action shotgun and you are mostly correct about the upbringing and such. However, I have nieces and nephews who visit often enough, and I have no control over what they are taught in their liberal household. I keep my handgun (when not carrying) in an out of reach, out of sight area. It’s readily accessible enough and also not obvious.
Seven rooms, seven handgun, hidden, but within easy reach. Each is loaded and has extra mags/quickloaders nearby, around 3 to 5 seconds to get to the nearest one
8 cameras always on with a large screen always on. VERY loud alarm.
Six rifles/shotguns reachable in less than 2 minutes. Extremely sharp knives up to 24″ blade lengths everywhere.
I don’t really worry about home invasions.
The only thing to remember is: make sure they get inside, and “I WAS REALLY SCARED AND THOUGHT I WOULD DIE WHEN THAT DOOR FLUNG OPEN. I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE…” while breathing heavily, shaking, and if possible, even crying at the horrible thing you HAD to do…
Wow. So I’ll make sure to text/call/email you first before approaching the perimeter and knocking on your front door for that dinner invitation you offered…
And I thought two guns at the ready within my house was ample. You’re in the same category as the commenter who said yesterday that he has three within reach while he watches TV in his living room. I luv me some gunz, but let’s not get too crazy now…
I Haz A Question says:
“Wow. So I’ll make sure to text/call/email you first before approaching the perimeter and knocking on your front door for that dinner invitation you offered…”
Funny you should say that, my cousin and his wife came for Thanksgiving from out of state, and he had his wife hold up a stick with a white flag as they approached in their car, hehehehe, but it was all in good fun.
As a retired person, the odds are good that I couldn’t hold up my end of the deal against one or more strapping 20 year olds. I don’t believe in mercy or warning shots. Once they set foot inside they are nothing but meat with holes in it with my Peacemaker and/or Great Equalizer.
My neighbors are not that much different from me. In the last three months, not one single crime of any type has been committed here.
My Home carry gun is my Springfield XD 10mm in an OWB holster. 15+1 of 10mm hollow points. If I am in bed my .458 Socom AR is what I grab.
TTAG I know I’m not alone in this request. Please add a feature to the comments section where we can easily LIKE a comment.
Thanks
Condolences to the family who lost their husband and father.
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Another death because a state chose to disregard the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment says Shall Not Be Fringed.
G.W. Michigan’s rules may have had nothing to do with why the homeowner was unarmed. Some folks were theorizing about why the young man wasn’t armed but the story doesn’t say. Most of the folks I know don’t keep a gun ready to repel invaders but then most of the folks I know live in the city or town. Have to admit I’ve gotten kind of lax since I moved away from Detroit.
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That’s easy for you to say.
I didn’t bother to translate this, but I’m assuming it says “Inslee is an idiot.” Or maybe something about Turd Furgeson.
Very good argument against so-called “Safe Storage” laws. As well as the much touted “smart gun” technology from the gun grabbers. If wife could have gotten to husband’s “smart gun” it would not have fired since it wasn’t her gun.
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