https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crH9DgA8dA0

ShootingSight isn’t quite the brand name that Timney and Geissele are. As such, all of the positive reviews of its TAV-D TAVOR trigger pack — like mine from a couple weeks ago — are great, but there have still been quite a few questions about durability and reliability in adverse conditions. I figured I’d throw mine into the freezer for a couple days, then shoot it cold, shoot it soaked, and shoot it full of mud to see how it would hold up. Results above.

Two things worth mentioning that I forgot to state in the video:

  • I’m shooting suppressed (you probably noticed). This actually matters because there have been [Timney] trigger failures due to the extra backpressure and more violent bolt carrier cycling. So, yes, the ShootingSight works fine with a suppressor.
  • The ammo being used is Russian-made Silver Bear. This has hard primers and is one of the ammo types that the Timney replacement trigger could not fire reliably (light strikes about 40% of the time).

 

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16 COMMENTS

  2. Nice. If I was in the market for a triger I would go with the shootingsight one for sure. Thanks for putting your ar through all that. 🙂

    • Not to be “That Guy” but it was a Tavor, not an AR.

      Aw, who am I kidding, it was totally to be “That Guy”!

      • AR-15s suck. We constantly had jams in Iraq. AK-47s kept going and kept going. Even though, they’re not as accurate. I prefer quality over accuracy because I can compensate for accuracy issues. You can’t compensate for quality. And we had several guys shot and killed over quality issues with the AR-15. You never hear about this stuff on CNN. It’s all military big business and we get what our Gov gives us, even if it is a polished turd. I feel sorry for the people who shoot AR-15s because most of them are poor white trash. Anybody can buy an AR because they’re so cheap. Better guns have higher price tags for a reason.

  5. This is great! Thank you for the video, Jeremy! A test like this by an independent review provides a valuable data point. If every reviewer included a few simple and straightforward tests like these in their review process, we’d all have more reliable gear. As is, it there aren’t enough thorough voices getting the word out if a gun or other product will perform even under ideal conditions, as in the Remington R51. A trigger like the TAV-D should perform under adverse field conditions, and I’m glad to see that it can. I think I might just make simulated torture tests like this a standard part of my own personal evaluation process in addition to field testing in unfavorable environments (rain, snow, sand, dirt). It’s a chore to clean, but it’s good to get that experience and become a confident master of cleaning and maintenance well before you ever find yourself in a position of needing the gun to fire. With the favorable reviews of the TAV-D thus far, I don’t see much room for improvement besides price (but support our small businesses and cottage industry!), Geissele has a lot to compete with here. I was quite impressed by TAV-D designer Art in his interview with Military Arms Channel, he appears to really know his stuff.

    Any Tavor-specific, TAV-D, or general cleaning tips you learned in the process of your testing? Did you dissemble the TAV-D unit or just wash it under a sink or with a hose, dry it off, and add lube or CLP? Is it back to working good as new now?

    • I haven’t cleaned the Tavor yet and I’d definitely say there’s no necessity for it. Any mud in the works since turned to dirt then dust and is little more than surface smudges at this point. 0% concern that it would ever cause any sort of functional issue. I haven’t cleaned my bolt carrier assembly, gas parts, or recoil guide rod deal for about 700 rounds now and am going to keep running that dirty until something happens… which it may never. I’m going to clean the inside of the body out where the trigger got it dirty though, and that big brush that came in the cleaning kit will be perfect.

      With the TAV-D I just washed it in the sink with dish soap and a scrubber brush thing. It came out clean and, as you’d expect from dish soap, completely stripped of any oil or lube residue. I originally planned on taking it apart for cleaning but I could see in there pretty well and it looked spotless so I’m not going to bother. Lubed it back up with my lube of choice and it’s going back in the gun once I clean out that part of the body.

  7. GREAT TEST
    I BOUGHT one and now am waiting my 10 day california manatory stay for my left handed Tavor. Should work good I hope. You really put the trigger through the mill
    Jeff

  8. I just ordered the Tav -D. Can’t wait for it to get here. I had ordered the Geissele super sabra only because the tav- d was out of stock and I was impatient. The Super sabra would not fit in my Tavor. I’m happy. I returned it and now have a superior trigger that I wanted in the first place. Will update

  9. AR-15s suck. We constantly had jams in Iraq. AK-47s kept going and kept going. Even though, they’re not as accurate. I prefer quality over accuracy because I can compensate for accuracy issues. You can’t compensate for quality. And we had several guys shot and killed over quality issues with the AR-15. You never hear about this stuff on CNN. It’s all military big business and we get what our Gov gives us, even if it is a polished turd. I feel sorry for the people who shoot AR-15s because most of them are poor white trash. Anybody can buy an AR because they’re so cheap. Better guns have higher price tags for a reason.

  11. I went with the TAV-D because I never shoot cheap ammo out of my guns. Only rednecks and white trash does that. Hence, can’t afford good ammo for a gun you spent nearly two grand on, lol. I’ve had good luck with Federal Ammo and it’s my ammo of choice. This is my, personal, weapon of choice with the LAPD. However, they still issue cheaply made ARs. Former USMC Force Recon, and current LAPD officer( West Hollywood Div)

  12. Look, when you took the trigger pack out, you did not clear the weapon. Come on, go get some training. Read some decent firearms training manuals. Google Some of The Answer, Urban Carbine, or The Modern Technique of the Pistol, anything, but do it. Stop shooting down the trail, go find a berm to use. As a firearms instructor it is imperative and an obligation to point this stuff out before you harm yourself or someone else.

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