As of 9am EST, the petition posted at change.org by the mother and father of slain teen Trayvon Martin has garnered some 91k signatures. armedlutheran.us deconstructs the text’s lies, mischaracterization and misleading statements line-by-line. Here’s the original text:
Last year, our son Trayvon Martin was stalked, chased down and killed by George Zimmerman, and Zimmerman faced no punishment whatsoever. That’s in large part because Florida is one of at least 21 states with some form of ‘Stand Your Ground’ law, which enables people like George Zimmerman to claim self-defense. We’re calling on 21 governors whose states have some form of ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws to review those laws and amend them so that people who instigate conflicts — people like George Zimmerman — won’t be able to use these laws to get away with murder . . .
‘Stand Your Ground’ was never meant to give aggressors the opportunity to get away with murder, but that is what happened when our son, Trayvon Benjamin Martin was killed. After Trayvon’s death, law enforcement used the law as an excuse to refuse to arrest George Zimmerman. Even worse, the jury in the case was instructed to think of what Zimmerman did as self-defense, even though Zimmerman ignored instructions from the police and instigated conflict with our son, who was just trying to get home to his father.
We are shocked and heartbroken by the jury’s decision to allow our son’s killer to go free. Despite our despair, we must honor Trayvon’s legacy by doing all that we can to protect other young people from being targeted, pursued, and senselessly murdered.
We are not the only ones calling for ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws to be reviewed. President Obama spoke out on the need for review, and prominent Republicans like Senator John McCain have joined him. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue, it’s not ‘black’ or ‘white’ issue, it’s a wrong and right issue. This is a matter of making sure that no other family will ever have to go through what we have been through. No parents should ever have to know what it feels like to watch your child’s killer walk free.
Here in Florida, we are pushing for an amendment to Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ law. Sign our petition to call on all at least 21 governors to review their laws and consider similar amendments so that they can protect children in their states, just as we wish Florida would have protected Trayvon.
We want to say thank you to all of you who have stood up for our son. Because of all of your efforts, Trayvon’s life is celebrated all over the world. Please continue to stand with us as we fight to ensure that his legacy is to leave behind a safer and more peaceful world for all our sons and daughters.
If you disagree with a petition you should be able to sign your name to remove a signature for it. Same as voting essentially.
Counter-petition that debunks this POS, with the suggestion that the governors ignore it?
NEVER MIND “STAND YOUR GROUND” shut up and lie there and take your BEATING, when you die it was only a KID that did it, slap his hands and send him home. to MOMA, oh she threw him out, that’s right..
wish I had their email so I could send them a piece of my mind.if the kid would have had a family around him from birth to teach him right and wrong maybe this “lil boy” would have been taught how to have a conversation with someone rather than being a thug and hollering about a “white assed cracker” following him. instead of feeling like he had to beat down this guy just because he was following him he could have had a real conversation in English and not thug speak like the gal on the stand spoke.when will people learn it takes BOTH parents to raise and teach a kid right from wrong. values and morals that I have were taught to me by sunday school and my parents…not the street!!thugs what a waste!!!!!!!!!!!
Done:
https://www.change.org/petitions/tracy-martin-and-sybrina-fulton-stop-exploiting-their-son-s-death-to-push-gun-control
Go sign it.
And feel free to forward the petition to pro-gun (or pro-logic) people, websites, forums, etc.
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And how!
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And rather indicative of the mindset of these types, they appear to believe that the governors of these states can amend the legislation themselves, not that the elected representatives have to reconsider the legislation and propose and vote for amendments for the governor to either sign or veto.
Why not? Obama does it all the time.
Right and wrong issue indeed. 29 states are clearly wrong and need to adopt SYG immediately.
More than 21 states have stand your ground. The 21 number includes only those that most recently adopted it, and not long term SYG jurisdictions like California or the Federal Courts (US v. Brown, 1921… in Federal cases SYG is the law)
At my count, there were precious few states left with a duty to retreat statutory law, and I don’t even think any left that rest on the old common law duty to retreat (which was less onerous…you had a duty to retreat if you were certain you could get to safety…the statutory laws often turned that around)
Last I counted, something like 33-34 states had SYG (though a few only through judicial precedence)
Please ignore all the facts on this case and listen to our fairy tale. WTF?
I know right? I was reading that and every other sentence I was thinking to myself, “that is not at all what happened according to the facts of the case…”
Actually what I read was “We don’t want to come to terms with our utter failure as parents so we need to lash out at the rights of everyone else to deflect blame anywhere but here”
Seriously. Whether your kid is a perfect little angel or a thug, nothing good can come of being out in the wee hours of the morning.
That, and there’s some seriou$ money in morning show appearances.
Umm it was 7Pm at night.
It wasn’t the wee hours of the morning, it was just after dusk. But it was raining, and TM was meandering around the neighborhood looking at the houses, as an interested burglar might. Coincidentally he was sent to Sanford in response to his suspension for having stolen goods (burglarized?) and a large screwdriver (burglary tool?) at school.
I stand corrected on my second point. I was thinking of a different article. Should have gone back and reviewed the facts of the case which are well known at this point.
*waves a bloody shirt to negate your facts*. Don’t make me shop at Baby’s R Us and use sheep blood.
It is safe to speculate that neither Sybrina Fulton nor Tracy Martin has ever made as much money per year as they are currently making as performers in the Caravan of Lies Theatre, sponsored by a PR firm, and by a gaggle of race hustlers who squeezed ‘settlements’ out of developers and jurisdictions even before the trial they so much wanted…was held. Is this a great country or what?
While I’ll not go as far to say that they are doing this for the money, I do think they are doing this for the wrong reason. Misguided vengeance. I don’t doubt that they are playing into the hands of others who are utilizing this event cause otherwise they’d be irrelevant and of course then, not on TV and less capable of passing laws that make their own “community” easier prey for criminals.
The cause for which they fight is irrational, something I’d expect a grieving parent or two to be.
My daily news was overflowing for months with demands for a trial. They got a trial, covered live on national TV. And a verdict. Now they say the verdict was wrong, and don’t accept that justice was done, or that testimony was honest. They got a trial conducted by a prosecutor whose witnesses almost all affirmed GZ’s statements. So now, to keep the show going, they’re expressing views on a law that wasn’t even at issue in the trial? Now they’re legal experts roaming beyond the mere facts of their son’s life and the evidence at trial? Asserting statements about GZ’s behavior that night which seem mere slander? If the parents were not paid to ‘go on tour,’ they wouldn’t be on tour.
It’s for the money, and the attention. For as long as they want, they can be a part of the BGI. They can travel, speak, march and be a part of something that let’s them basically show up, do little, and be “famous”.
Of course, its all built on a house of cards, lies, extortion (Sharpton & Jackson), but it does pay.
It’s for the money and to misdirect attention from THEIR utter, miserable, complete failure as Parents. Their hearts should be broken by how their failure contributed directly to the death of their druggy, aggressive, criminal child. What’s worse is that if they got their way they’d have not only the blood of Trayvon, but of many, many others on their hands. They should find a rock and crawl under it and stay there.
And they should take Al Sharpton under that rock with them. He has the blood of thousands of young African American men, women and children on his hands because he refuses to address the real problems of his own people.
It was the lawyers for Martin and the home owners association that was the reason for an early settlement. They wanted to get a settlement before the end of the trial, because they were worried that a not guilty verdict, would make it all most impossible to get a settlement. I imagine they also used the fear factor, saying that a guilty verdict would make a larger settlement all most a given. An early settlement guaranteed a pay check.
I dunno, the Lay Down and Piss Yourself Law seems like a viable alternative…
They can STFU and do something positive if they have the mental capacity to do so.
They have the mental capacity to collect the “pity” money they are getting to be pimped out as a new face for the gun grabbers.
Ward and June is that you? The happy little family who lost their toddler.
My Petition Against Trayvon Martins Mother: You saw that your son was becoming a thug and all you did was dump him on his father. The world dosnt owe you anything!
Who will sign?
Can we call it the “Let us beat Creepy A$$ Crackers Without Fear of Death Bill”?
“YES WE CAN”
Yep. Beat whitey with impunity.
Why in the hell do you put their poison on this website.
They are nothing but a pair of human debris who hit the ghetto lottery.
John
… ‘Well, they be movin’ on up, movin’ on up, to the east side, movin’ on up to a deelucks apartment in the skyhi.’
Yeah, this does seem to be about drawing fat salaries from their non-profit. I felt bad for them, but that is waning. People that use family tragedy line their pockets and take away basic freedoms make me sick. Cough markkelly cough cough cough
If Tracy and Sybrina, separately, put the kid and his problems on uncle Stephen Martin, why do you feel badly for so-called parents? I feel badly for Tracy’s brother, who had to deal with this stuff, until he couldn’t. Tracy appears to have considered it more important to have a another new woman than to live near his son. Is that Family Values or what? The petition means nothing politically. It was only written to provide more motivation for the line “you must donate to our travelling race theatre. For Trayvon.” What on earth does this have to do with firearms? Nothing. Gun safety? Nothing. Forida has already said, “About your request: Nope.”
Absent laws to the contrary Stand Your Ground is common law and I believe that it is the standard for self defense in Federal jurisdictions. The reason that SYG is the common law norm is that honest citizen has the right of way over criminal. The reason that Progressives oppose SYG is that they wish to give the looters, whether street thugs or members of the Kleptocracy, the right of way over the honest citizen.
There has been a good argument made that making SYG harder to prove is going to put more lower income people in prison.
If you can no longer defend yourself without having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you were attacked or cannot display serious injury first then what will happen is a whole lot of people will suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the law.
Those without the means to hire a proper criminal defense attorney will soon find themselves facing charges and being convicted because they could not display “reasonableness” in defending themselves.
That is the intent of ending SYG. Remember, it is well documented that the street gang leadership in many Democratic Party controlled cities is in bed with the machine. Crime is the principle method of controlling urban areas and keeping the residents dependent on the government. Too many gunnies buy into the Alex Jones FEMA camp fantasy and miss the real threat. Progressives have figured out a better way of control than the old fashion GULAG approach.
Exactly, how many times have Sharpton, Jackson and
Louis Farrakhan Muhammad, Sr. (born Louis Eugene Wolcott) broke bread with bangers and punks? Answer: A lot.
Yup. Inner City African Americans are the biggest beneficiaries of the SYG laws.
Most lefty politicians don’t actually care about the plight of poor inner-city blacks. What they care about are votes and control. And things like this give them more of both.
It will be hard for California to review their Stand Your Ground laws as they do not have one. You (oddly enough) have the right to Stand Your Ground by the rulings of the CA Supreme Court. Heck, in California you can even “Chase” your attackers away. But not in Florida which already had a review panel of its SYG law. No surprise that the people who want to waste tax payer money on another review are the same people who want to retry George Zimmerman for Murder all because they didn’t like the initial results.
“… Heck, in California you can even “Chase” your attackers away. …”
Yeah, with your fists. ’cause there won’t be any guns left in that particular real-estate before long.
Same here in liberal-tarian WA. The supreme court ruled there is no duty to retreat from a place you lawfully have the right to be.
I demand that awareness be created for the street drug “Purple Drank.” AKA “lean.” This is the same drug that can be made with a combination of watermelon – flavor Arizona iced tea (which Trayvon just bought), skittles (which Trayvon just bought) and Robitussin TM (which Trayvon spoke about in text messages and other conversations). I demand a dialogue about the dangers of “Purple Drank” (liver damage – which Trayvon had) and the behaviors that can result from the drug (such as paranoia and aggression).
I also demand better parenting skills from Trayvon’s parents due to the 3 suspensions he had within 4 months, and the stolen jewelry which was found in his locker. I also demand that aggressive thugs like Trayvon (who said his next street fighting victim would be “even bloodier”) are not portrayed as innocent children, nor photographed from several years earlier in a deliberate to stir up erroneous racial allegations.
Once you acknowledge those facts, I’m fully open to additional dialogue. Everyone is entitle to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to “their own facts.” I have one
caveat: leave my gun freedoms alone – they are not for the taking.
Source: YouTube Afterburner with Bill Whittle or search Trayvon Martin Truth
+100
Accur81, I went to college in the 60s and it wasn’t Brigham Young. I’m sure that anything Martin did, we did better (or worser, depending on one’s POV). We didn’t mix cough syrup with anything — we just drank it, or put ETH w/codeine in the freezer and scraped the “stuff” off the top with a spoon. We all smoked a lot of herb, maybe sprinkled with a little hash just for flavor. Nobody was able to cram for a final without a stimulant of some kind, and it wasn’t Starbucks. And like Mr. Bojangles, we dranks a bit.
Those same 60s stoners are now lawyers, doctors, engineers, captains of industry, senators, presidents and former presidents, retirees and, yeah, police chiefs.
Anything that strengthens the “War on Drugs” weakens the country. What we really need is a War on Sh1tty Parents. Start by making them responsible for the acts of their minor children. Now that would get their attention real fast.
He probably was doing the Robitussin that has DXM in it, not the codeine stuff (hard to get codeine over the counter these days I would think–though maybe not, who knows). If he had liver damage then it was because he was drinking cough syrup with other ingredients in it as well (though all the sugar in the syrup probably does a number on your kidneys if you drink a lot of it).
When I was in high school, my friends and I would buy pure DXM powder off of the internet, measure it, and put it in gel caps–avoids all the calories and nastiness! Before that, people would buy Ketamine off the internet (but then it got scheduled). It’s pretty harmless unless you were doing it constantly, I suppose (no, it doesn’t cause lesions to form in your brain, so don’t panic if you were a crazy high schooler as well).
Most of the kids at the high school I went to smoked marijuana (I did not, however).
Yet somehow there weren’t ever any fights, no one was breaking into each others cars, and the place was peaceful. The only time someone got hurt was an accident when two people ran into each other on accident and one guy got knocked over. This was at a big school in a state capital, as well. No one was posting derogatory messages or degrading women. People got along and amazingly had a pretty good time learning.
You can’t blame Trayvon’s poor behavior on drugs. What you can blame it on is poor character and poor parenting.
Poor character comes from poor parenting.
Well, she didn’t need a petition to get Fl. Gov Rick Scott to review the SYG in Florida. He had a team look at it after Trayvon Martin was shot by George Zimmerman while the former of pummeling latter’s head into the sidewalk. The recommendation of the panel was to keep it as it is. So why should we waste more tax dollars on an issue because people didn’t like the fact that a Zimmerman got away with killing a drugged out (as in LEAN abuser here) petty thief (as in they found stolen jewelry in his locker with a B&E tool) who had an overly aggressive (as in his phone texts saying he wanted a rematch of a fight because the victim didn’t “bleed” enough) as Zimmerman was getting his head bashed in.
FL should pass a “Raise Your Child Law” and put these two race profiteers in prison for not raising theirs.
That is not fair!!! Tracey Martin had just received custody of his son Trayvon from his baby’s mama!!!
You’re definitely on a roll. The war on drugs has done nothing but felonize poor people, corrode constitutional rights, and serve as a justification for general funding of a surveillance state which serves the few, while making the criminally inclined rich. A “Raise Your Child Law” law is worth more than a laugh. However, parents need a way to dry out a teenager gone wrong for a week or two without criminal sanctions for the kid. We need better drug intervention laws without the rap sheet.
You forgot MAKING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT richer, via importing DRUGS!
Read it carefully. I had that covered, beginning “while making…”
+1,000,000,000
oh alas the republic what a place you have become where men can no longer defend themselves from their assailant and the assailant has more rights than the innocent
There is nothing preventing these characters from moving to a more “enlightened” state such as New York or Chicago that do not have stand your ground laws if they disagree with laws in their present state. Imagine how little TM could have been killed in 1 of those states at the hands of another thug. I guess that would have been alright.
Oh hell no… it’s bad enough I live here in NYS and don’t have a currently viable option of leaving, please don’t saddle me with more of what makes this state suck…
I’m pretty sure Chicago is a city.
So’s Detroit !
Stand Your Ground had absolutely nothing to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case
sssshhhhh the uneducamated masses don’t know dat!
oh sorry. that was way out of line. I forget we aren’t supposed to bring logic into this issue.
I believe the current drivel is that because Zimmerman knew FL has SYG, he was more aggressive than he would have been otherwise. So even though he didn’t use the defense, the mere existence of the law brought about a deadly encounter.
It makes sense…if you read it really fast…while drunk.
I tried thinking about it fast and drunk but it still didn’t make sense. . . so I tried a little weed and some purple drank. . . then it started making sense.
I don’t care WHAT you think he knew. SYG has NOTHING to do with the case, so you’re FOS.
Has anyone compiled a list of people who have actually benefitted from SYG? There’s got to be some stories out there that these protesters would say, “oh yeah, SYG helped out someone I like.”
gunwatch.blogspot.com reports news stories every day regarding SYG and self defense situations. An excellent source for these types of stories.
But …. Florida already has a law like the one they’re calling for. Florida Statute 776.041 (Use of force by aggressor). If the state could have carried its burden of proof under this law, then “self defense” might not have been available.
See below:
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
You’re found GUILTY of confusing folks with facts. (CFWF)
Actually, under (a) and (b) of that G.Z. could because of in (a) he thought he was getting killed and in (b) he did not engage TM physically. There was no injuries on TM other than the bullet whole and damages on his hands .
Ann Coulter said it best. The only one to commit a crime that night was Trayvon Martin.
Stand your ground had NOTHING to do with that case! Its all a load of BS 🙁
not necessarily true. SYG is baked into the florida self defense law (“does not have a duty to retreat”). what you might be thinking of is there is a separate immunity provision enacted along with SYG that was not invoked by GZ.
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
No, no and no. The SYG portions of the self defense law had no bearing on the case since GZ wasn’t able to retreat due to having his attacker on top of him. So it is necessarily true that the SYG provision of the Florida code had nothing to do with this case.
That’s a valid point, but it only proves mine. The SYG aspect of the law (no duty to retreat) means that the issue you brought up did not need to be proven in court.
776.013 is the ‘Castle Doctrine’ statute. Section (3) of that statute is the SYG portion.
How does a little fat man “chase down” a young athletic man who according to Rachel Jeantel’s testimony, knew of the little fat man’s presence and had eyes on him well in advance of any alleged pursuit?
Yeah, and circling the little fat man’s truck mad-dogging him the entire time is not an aggressive act.
Well, Zimmerman mean-mugged Martin. In Miami, you die for that.
T.M. was 200 miles from Miami. Oh Snap!
Losing sight of someone only to have them double back and leap out of nowhere to attack you does not constitute “chasing them down”.
I think.
Is it just me or has everyone ignored the physical improbability of this “Zimmerman chased Martin” meme given that Martin had eyes on him in advance and took exception to it?
Or the fact that according to the 911 call Zimmerman lost sight of Martin prior to their physical confrontation, and according to Jeantel’s Martin was aware of him the whole time leading up to the confrontation…
The jury got it. The hustlers don’t want to. Simple.
How much longer until these two knuckleheads disappear down the same memory hole that the Newtown opportunists slid into?
I am sorry but there is no comparing the two. The ones from Newtown were loving parents who lost their children to a deranged lunatic. These two are horrible parents who raised an aspirant to living a long life at Florida’s Raiford Prison.
Yet both are dangerous to your liberty.
Regardless of the motivation of any threat, if it is indeed a threat, you have the absolute right to defend against it.
All of the aforementioned are guilty of pushing an agenda that does not originate from them.
They are all being used by various segments of government to support civilian disarmament memes.
I have no sympathy for any of them as a result of their behavior.
+1 Amen to that, Brother!
I know one thing: your bitching about it is not going to make it go away. So it’s up to you to go away, if you object to it.
All liberals live in an artificially constructed lalaland, and those who are families of shooting fatalities are particularly deranged.
Good for them! If this helps them begin to heal and gain closure after such a tragic loss, more power to them. Seldom are laws perfect… maybe, just maybe,
controversiallaws should be reviewed from time to time. It is the American way after all.The collective conscience at TTAG is both mind-boggling and terrifying at times.
Self-delusion is quite the opposite of healing.
Exactly. They’re going into denial. “No, no, our sweet little angel did nothing wrong; Zimmerman killed him unprovoked.”
They’re inventing their own facts rather than accepting reality.
Yes to both Jason and WA. Grande: What these people are doing is just sick. Furthermore it’s dishonest in both its motivation and its means. Quite frankly GZ might have a good suit for defamation against them based on their obvious and derogatory lies about his actions that night, said actions having already been proved in a court of law.
Cutting these hustlers any slack isn’t just uncalled for, it would be a disservice on our part not to call them out on it.
Grande, the laws are rather constantly reviewed, if only by non-legislator advocacy groups from various sides. To the extent SYG has been clarified by statute, that is itself a result of reviews in recent decades. Florida’s SYG provision, irrelevant to the Martin family and trial, has provably been enforced with no evidence of racial disparity. Google it, Tampa Tribune, or find the details on this site. SYG will, in the long run, do more good for minority communities than the general population, because they are more often the victims of aggressive violent crime. The Castle Doctrine has already helped simplify the legal consequences of defending one’s home in a minority neighborhood. Good. As for ‘collective conscience,’ this site’s posters are remarkably diverse by profession, race, and personal economies. It is true that there is near-unanimity here that one need not suffer a brutal beating or home invasion without using lethal defense. True. However, that is not about our conscience, but the about the law’s tradition and justice. It is as if we all horribly agreed on the proposition that 2+2=4.
RopingDown,
You have essentially validated most of my statement. All I was saying is that these folks are only doing what is done all the time and for it they are being attacked, judged, marginalized, and ridiculed. Hypocrisy has and will always trouble me. What I find most interesting is that you injected race into a discussion where “I” said nothing about race or racial disparity. That’s a whole different topic.
Injected race? “What is done all the time…”? You apparently haven’t listened to the parents’ speeches. And, if I may ask, who were the last parents you observed on international tour decrying the US jury system, backed by millions of dollars of ‘settlement’ money. If it happens all the time I missed it. As for race, it’s been the open driver of TM’s parents and supporters since day one. Where have you been?
WHAT law? You want someone to review a non-existent law? Work you magic.
RopingDown,
Yes, you injected race into this conversation, so don’t deflect now. The parents’ statement was, “This is not a Democrat or Republican issue, it’s not ‘black’ or ‘white’ issue, it’s a wrong and right issue.” If you selectively read the original post or want to include information from other posts/sources, I can see how you would miss that. This post and their statement within the post, that’s all I’m talking about here. What is done all the time? People advocate for changes in laws that they don’t agree with all the time. Simple, really.
William Burke,
I realize that SYG doesn’t apply in the Zimmerman case, but so what? If they want to change it, they just want to change it. Freedom is a beautiful thing.
Hey, MikeB is using an alias today!
By being professional advocates to undermine self defense laws in Florida and elsewhere to make it save for thugs?
Can we sign a petition to make these two understand what charges exactly Zimmerman faced?
You can lead a horse to water….
It’s odd, these people sure didn’t seem to care about their son when he was alive, and did all they could to ship him around and get rid of him. Now that he’s gone though, they sure are living it up. Too bad they didn’t put so much attention into his life when he was alive, eh.
Aw, but without George Zimmerman you would never have been able to trademark your son’s name and likeness for t-shirt sales like any good grieving mother would have.
Go away, the only thing that needs to be reviewed is your failure as parents.
I have an idea: how about they read the laws, then explain what wording should be changed, and what it should be changed to, and why?
One of the most maddening things about this whole thing is the sheer volume of people who demand that the law be changed who don’t have the first clue what the law is.
Bravo Dave! It does seem (perhaps especially with 2A issues) that a majority of the people calling for more laws or restrictions have absolutely no idea what the current law is. These two really haven’t been any more obvious in their utter ignorance of the law that a great many others have.
Boy did you get that right. They also don’t know what evidence was put in at trial. But they have strong opinions.
There comments sound a lot like slander and libel.
You guys don’t understand. They used THE LAW in the courtroom and won! Emotion did not win in the courtroom, this is unacceptable, racism (or “anti-racism) did not give the black community a win and the “unjust” “white” law won. When justice is done and a black individual is to blame the system is unjust and racist.
Here I would think the parents of Trayvon would have at least shown up to court to hear what really happened, then again the mother doesn’t even share the same name. She might have had a court conflict with one of her other kids from the other baby daddies. Too much? Oh well, this stuff really gets to me.
Lets all ignore this case has nothing to do with stand-your-ground laws in the first place. I wonder how much they’re getting from Bloomberg. Too much again?
Actually, they were in the Court Room everyday through the trial. Not trying to disrespect you, just clarify. So, they heard what happened, but chose not to understand, believe or accept it. Instead they chose to let other people, who have an agenda in the ” race discrimination industry” dictate to them what they ought to believe and make them into puppets serving that agenda…oh…and the money they started to make helped them be convinced they were doing the “right thing”. Kind of despicable…isn’t it?
I know, that was an artful misrepresentation. I’d rather assume they weren’t there to hear the truth than that they are trying to abuse the situation for personal gain.
I hope to heck I signed the right thing?????
Used my real info tooooooo
Uuuuuut Oooooooooh.
Our Governor Rick Scott has no intention in changing the SYG law.
Governor Scott also has no intention of listening to Jessie Jackson.
The Martin’s can complain all they want, but SYG is going to remain.
In fact, the SYG was enacted just BECAUSE of people like Trayvon.
What so many people complaining about SYG seems to miss, is that
people like me who are disabled, have a limited ability to retreat from
a threat to our lives. That goes double for senior citizens who no longer
possess the physical ability to retreat from a dangerous situation.
SYG is not a factor here. As Congresswoman Frederica Wilson said, “Trayvon Martin was hunted down like a rabid dog” We all know that’s the gospel truth.
That’s a good point. Whether you believe their ridiculous story or you believe the story accepted in court under oath stand-you-ground isn’t in question.
So rabid dogs should NOT be hunted down? Someone should drop a pack of rabid dogs off at her doorstep, and see how fast she calls someone to “hunt them down” Because that’s what you DO with “rabid dogs”.
Right now they are right next to the parents ftom Sandy Hook who let themselves become political tools.
Fvck.Them.
What do tools DO but look for other tools to support their warped world view?
It is a “right versus wrong” issue, and the fact that you are lying is enough for me. See ya…
Come on people! Put on your tin foil hats and think this through. Who is pushing what agenda to what end??
It’s really obvious isn’t it?
ANYTHING but reviewing your son, or your own parenting “skills”!
The parents are right about one thing, it is not a “black and white issue” it’s more of a “common sense” versus “I’m a dumb shit” issue. You don’t attack someone on the assumption that they’re unarmed and then find out, belatedly, that they aren’t. Makes for a rude awakening, if you do!!!
Oh, now mom and dad with different last names want to be involved with their sons life. Typical.
They smelt money.
“If only this law (which had nothing to do with the case involving the man our son assaulted) had not existed, we believe our precious son would have been able to successfully murder an innocent man for ‘disrespecting’ him.”
How about it we review “Parent your Children” for the Martins?
Your kid gets caught with jewelry and burglar tools at school. Not good Parenting.
Your Kid is looking for some codene to make a narcotic cocktail. Not good Parenting.
Your Kid is caught with weed. Not good Parenting.
Stay out all night and leave a troubed teen at home to babysit. Not good Parenting.
Your Kid likes to jump the local Neighborhood watch Captain,…….ughhhhhh, dont have to worry about the Parenting issue anymore.
We destroyed the life of our own child and helped him become a violent drug addict, now we have an opportunity to destroy lives on a much larger scale.
These people are not victims, they had far more to do with their sons death than Zimmerman ever could have.
Stupid parents had FAR more to do with the death of their “lil’ Skittle” than George.
Stop trying to blame the 2nd Amendment and a faultless neighborhood watchman for your failings as parents.
When will this sad, sorry media fetish about Trayvon Martin end?
From day one, that kid turned into a political prop for the left and everyone, including the left, knows it.
Go watch the YouTube video call”The Lynching ” by Bill Whittle. Matin was just getting Skittles ah? Well check it out ,the night of the shooting he was looking to get high on Leen.Guess how you make it?Sweet Tea,Rhobotussin cough syrup and ,HELLO ,Skittles.He bought the sweet tea and the Skittles.Gee what else was he looking for when he bought the skittles and sweet tea and was innocently skipping along ,minding his own business ,oh that’s right he needed cough syrup and his burglery tools he had been caught with.TWICE along with stolen property.
I’m sure they’re not getting rich by pandering to the O administration’s every whim. Pretty sure.
We have not had a single peep out of these two regarding civil proceedings against George Zimmerman, because all the dirty laundry will need to be aired about St Trayvon? If they spent as much time together since the tradegy being parents then this may never have happened. And why did you throw him out Sybrina?
95,000 signatures outside of Florida isn’t going to do him any good.
The claim that George Zimmerman ignored instructions from the police not to follow Trayvon is also nonsense in that it wasn’t the police instructing him, it was the 911 operator, who is not a police officer and has no authority.
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