Many people have said or written that while Donald Trump supports the Second Amendment, talk is cheap, and we do not have actions to back up the talk. There is some truth in that. Trump doesn’t have a legislative record to show actions to back up his words. But words have meaning. If a nominee is unwilling to give us words in support of the Second Amendment, why should we believe that he will go to bat for us in the executive branch, the legislature, or in the courts?
If the nominee is too concerned with being politically correct when running for office, even in the primary, why should we believe that they will be willing to take more heat while in office, facing re-election, or under media pressure?
If a nominee will not specifically defend the Second Amendment verbally and in writing before being elected, why would we expect them to do so afterwards?
Here is the record of Republican nominees over the last hundred years to see how they compared with Donald Trump.
The Second Amendment was not an issue before 1968. In 1932 Franklin Roosevelt had pushed through the first serious federal gun control law. It impacted few people at first. It only had an effect on machine guns, short barreled shotguns and rifles, and silencers that crossed state lines in interstate commerce. Most people paid little attention to the onerous regulations and taxes that were imposed. There were few prosecutions.
Even as late as 1964 Barry Goldwater, when he spoke of the Second Amendment, spoke of it in the context of hunting. From scribd.com:
Goldwater:
At a young age, Barry Goldwater was taught by his mother how to shoot rifles and shotguns.
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He believed that gun control was “impossible,” and served as an NRA spokesman, appearing incommercials for the group. He was also an avid gun collector, devoting an entire room of his houseto a variety of guns that he had both made and purchased over the years.
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Goldwater was, however, opposed to the sale of automatic firearms:”I’m completely opposed to selling automatic rifles. I don’t see any reason why they ever madesemi-automatics. I’ve been a member of the NRA, I collect, make and shoot guns. I’ve never usedan automatic or semiautomatic for hunting. There’s no need to. They have no place in anybody’sarsenal. If any S.O.B. can’t hit a deer with one shot, then he ought to quit shooting.”
Richard Nixon personally hated guns. He likely approved of GCA 1968. From ontheissues.org:
Twenty years ago, I asked Richard Nixon what he thought of gun control. His on-the-record reply: “Guns are an abomination.” Free from fear of gun owners’ retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles.
Gerald Ford was considerably better: From ontheissues.org:
FORD: The record of gun control, whether it’s in one city or another or in some States does not show that the registration of a gun, handgun, or the registration of the gun owner has in any way whatsoever decreased the crime rate or the use of that gun in the committing of a crime. The record just doesn’t prove that such legislation or action by a local city council is effective. What we have to do–and this is the crux of the matter–is to make it very difficult for a person who uses a gun in the commission of a crime to stay out of jail. I don’t believe in the registration of handguns or the registration of the handgun owner. That has not proven to be effective. And, therefore, the better way is to go after the criminal, the individual who commits a crime in the possession of a gun and uses that gun for a part of his criminal activity.
But, Gerald Ford proposed a ban on a whole class of guns:
I had always opposed federal registration of guns or the licensing of gun owners, and as President, I hadn’t changed my views. At the same time, I recognized that handguns had played a key role in the increase of violent crime. Not all handguns-just those that hadn’t been designed for sporting purposes. I asked Congress to ban the manufacture and sale of these “Saturday night specials.”
Ronald Reagan was not a firm supporter of the Second Amendment in his words. From ontheissues.org:
[In a 1991 speech, Reagan said]: “I’m a member of the NRA. And my position on the right to bear arms is well known. But I support the Brady bill and I urge the Congress to enact it without delay. It’s just plain common sense that there be a waiting period [7 days] to allow local law enforcement officials to conduct background checks on those who wish to buy a handgun.”
The Brady bill was opposed by the current President, George H.W. Bush. “I don’t think it would be proper for me or any other ex-president to stand and tell an acting president what he should or shouldn’t do,” Reagan said. But then he added: “I happen to believe in the Brady Bill because we have the same thing in California right now.”
He was asked why he had opposed all gun-control measures while he was President. He shook his head. “I was against a lot of the ridiculous things that were proposed with regard to gun control.
George Bush Sr. was at best a lukewarm supporter of the Second Amendment.
Bush exacted his revenge in May 1995, when he read about an NRA fund-raising letter that described federal agents as “jack-booted thugs”. Ripping up his NRA membership card, Bush wrote a letter of resignation, which his office made public. He accused the NRA of slandering dedicated officials “who are out there day and night laying their lives on the line for all of us.”
Robert Dole was lukewarm on the Second Amendment.
George Dubya Bush was lukewarm at best. He promised to sign the extension of the “assault weapon” ban if it reached his desk:
BUSH: I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban and was told the bill was never going to move. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks. The best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns.
John McCain was somewhat pro-Second Amendment in his 2008 campaign. From ontheissues.com:
- McCain opposes restrictions on so-called “assault rifles” and voted consistently against such bans.
- McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.
- McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were “armor-piercing.”
I was surprised to see that Senator McCain had some positive positions on Second Amendment issues. His actions were far less supportive.
Mitch Romney was lukewarm on the Second Amendment at best. From ontheissues.org:
ROMNEY: Yeah, I’m not in favor of new pieces of legislation on guns and taking guns away or making certain guns illegal. We of course don’t want to have automatic weapons, and that’s already illegal in this country, to have automatic weapons. What I believe is we have to do is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have and to change the culture of violence we have. And you ask, how are we going to do that? Good schools, to give people the hope and opportunity they deserve, and perhaps less violence from that. But let me mention another thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads helping raise kids.
Let us compare these remarks to Donald Trump’s on the Second Amendment. From ammoland.com:
“The Trump family will stay vigilant in our support of right to keep and bear arms. And given today’s threats across the United States it is as important now as ever. National Security begins in our homes. All citizens must have the ability to protect themselves, their families, and their property. The Second Amendment is a right, not a privilege. Our safety and defense is embodied in the Second Amendment and I will always protect this most important right.
Not only does Donald Trump support the Second Amendment with stronger and clearer language, he goes into specifics of what he is going to do to help restore the Second Amendment. He often talks about how the Second Amendment is needed for self defense, a topic no other Republican Nominee would touch. From cnn.com:
TRUMP: — I promise there wouldn’t have been 130 people killed and hundreds of people lying in the hospital to this day. It might not have happened. Because if they knew there were guns in the room, it might not have happened. But if it did, you would have had bullets going in the opposite direction. And believe me, the carnage would not have been the same by any stretch of the imagination.
Trump supports the carry of concealed weapons all over the country with national reciprocity: From the Washington Times:
Mr. Trump made the arguments in a “position paper” on the Second Amendment in which he makes the case that people who don’t break the law should be able to obtain a concealed carry permit allowing them to carry in every state, and that members of the military should be able to carry their arms on military bases and at recruitment centers.
Donald Trump support doing away with federal gun free zones: from cnn.com:
And this whack-job walks in and starts shooting and killed all five of them. Gun-free zones. We are getting rid of gun-free zones. OK? I can tell you.
Donald Trump says no to Universal Background Checks. From ammoland.com:
“I do not support expanding background checks. The current background checks do not work.”
“They make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to acquire firearms while consistently failing to stop criminals from getting guns. We should re-examine our policy to make sure that these prohibitions do not impede law abiding citizens from exercising their Second Amendment rights.”
Donald Trump compares his position to Hillary Clinton’s. From cnn.com:
But Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment. We are not talking about change it. She wants to abolish the Second Amendment. We’re not going to let that happen. I can tell you. That we’re going to preserve it. We’re going to cherish it. We’re going to take care of it. OK? They keep chipping away. They talk about the magazines, they talk about the bullets. We’re going to take care of it.
This is another major difference from previous Republican nominees. None of them talked about the incremental attacks on the Second Amendment.
Donald Trump has supported the Second Amendment more forcefully and more specifically than any Republican nominee to date. He has not been in office, so we cannot measure his support with his actions. If he puts into practice even 20% of his proposals to restore Second Amendment rights, he will have done more for the Second Amendment than the last four Republican presidents altogether.
His proposals are strongly supported in Congress. The Congress voted down Universal Background Checks. They voted for national reciprocity. They showed support for an end to many gun free zones, such as in the Post Office and on Army Corps of Engineers managed lands. As Commander in Chief, Trump would not need Congress to end gun free zones in the military.
Donald Trump could enact many of his proposals. And why wouldn’t he? He would have been elected because of them.
©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
Trump knows how to play well before an audience to look good. The test will be how he would vote when gun rights are not the popular option.
I could care less what Trump says; all I now is what Hillary has been saying and has been doing. Trump could be worse in theory (see Stalin, Hitler, Mao) but not in practice.
I mean, I understand the paranoia on this one, but the statements are too public to back out of. Yes, he could bail on 2a support, but doing so after such public promises would obliterate his chances of a re-election. I don’t think his ego would stand for it, and that’s the one thing I count on above all else concerning his character– Ego.
Sure, I think he’s smart. I think he can play the game. And yeah, he definitely says the right things. But it’s his ego I trust more than anything. Anything that tarnishes his rep is an anathema to the man and the backlash to break all those televised promises would be personal kryptonite to Trump. Have you seen how many times he’s professed his stand on Hannity?
He’ll do his best to make America great again because of his ego. He sees it as his personal corporation. If he wins, it’s his brand. He’s also the type that drops his hat into the ring just to show how much better he can do it than somebody else.
My opinion at least.
I tend to disagree with you @SurfGW about playing to an audience. If he knew how to play to an audience he would be ahead in the polls 60-40 by now. He is raw and unfiltered. He has been spouting off about the judge in the Trump U case, this isn’t playing to any audience and it is hurting him with a minority that he needs to come though for him. I do believe that his views in the past have been more left leaning but at the same time it was the same view of half the people that I currently shoot with on a regular basis had. I guess what I am asking is that you reflect on why “if he needs a minority vote does he not play to an audience but when it comes to gun owners, who wouldn’t vote for Hillary anyways, does he magically know how to read the room?” Nothing personal, just my take on it.
Trump has never held or even run for a position which would have any vote on any law. His “vote” will never be a concern.
So, are you going to vote for Clinton or some third party also-ran (which gives Trump one less vote)? If you do, you are part of the problem,
I can’t abide Clinton but there’s no way I’m going to buy into and believe that the self aggrandizing narcissist has firm beliefs about anything but his own wonderfulness…or that he will stick to his guns when push comes to shove.
Totally agree. Anyone who believes anything Trump says is a blazing fool. The man has supported gun control plenty of times in the past and was vocal about it. He is a pathological socialpath who will say anything to win and his record shows it.
Yes, but perhaps seeing the Jihad being waged upon innocent, unarmed people has changed his mind? It’s as if you people believe someone is only ever allowed to have a fixed and unchanging opinion. If someone was anti-gun, but suffered a violent crime and came to their senses, would you consistently doubt their sincerity?
Doesn’t Trump flip-flopping on the issues on a regular basis cause you to doubt his sincerity?
Sounds like pandering to me.
Not only did Donald Trump write of his support for the national assault weapons ban in his book “The America We Deserve”, but he campaigned on it when he ran for the Reform Party nomination in 2000. Of course Hilary Clinton is terrible, and what Trump says NOW is great, but that’s the problem with populism. Populism is in a nut shell, licking a finger and holding it up to the wind. If it were 2008, he’d be running as an anti Bush democrat hence his financial support and votes for John Kerry, Hilary Clinton and BHO. We had 2 real pro 2A guys in the race, Paul & Cruz. Now we have El Trumpo God help us.
That being said, i’m no fool. i’m 100% on the Trump train due to a lack of an alternative. If he does what he says he will in regards to the Supreme court, immigration and taxes, he could be the best President since Reagan. However if he reverts to his reform party stances, I won’t be surprised.
Trump is a flip flopper. In the past he has said he supports AWB several times. I doubt he really would follow through with his current promises regarding 2 rights.
If you’re going to use big words to try and look intelligent to the group, at least know how to spell them. Otherwise, you just come across like the simpleton your comments make you to be.
Ok, but what’s the alternative? Hillary? Johnson, who picked a rabidly anti-gun VP candidate? Not attacking you, just speaking rhetorically. Trump is all we’ve got.
If all you’ve got is a fascist (right-wing populist, big government authoritarian with a cult of personality – Trump qualifies on all counts), you might want to ask yourself how you ended up there.
Congress enacts the laws, the President can only sign, ignore or veto bills. Executive Orders are very limited in scope and can be overridden by courts and Congress.
Hillary will probably have a democrat Congress ride in on her coattails and it will give us Australian style gun control, or worse. Her SCOTUS appointees will all be anti-gun.
Trump, on the other hand, can do very little without the support of his likely GOP Congress. He can change his mind all he wants but cannot force bills through an unwilling Congress. Trump’s SCOTUS appointees will be pro-gun.
>> Congress enacts the laws, the President can only sign, ignore or veto bills..Executive Orders are very limited in scope and can be overridden by courts and Congress.
President can do whatever he dares to do and can get away with doing.
“John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.”
Donald Trump has a checkered history on the subject of the 2A.
However I will take the guy who supports the 2A now over the bitch who’s openly campaigning with civilian disarmament as a plank in her platform.
agreed
I see your point, but the man is going to be clobbered anyway. He will be lucky to take the Romney states, and him winning Pennsylvania and New York is a wet dream. We had a shot to prevent Hillary, and we blew it by selecting this bloviating orange turd.
I’m pulling the lever for Gary Johnson. If I’m going to pick a losing candidate, I’ll go for principle
I have stated this elsewhere for months and I will restate it here.
HRC is getting indicted. I see no way around that. Her chances in the general once the FBI delivers suitcases worth of docs to the DOJ are pretty much 0. She’s going down on some really serious charges likely including violations of the espionage act and public corruption.
Are you kidding me? Eric Holder was the first AG to ever be held in contempt of congress, and he faced ZERO repercussions for it. And Hilary has WAY more political clout than he ever did. I’d be shocked if she was indicted, but if she’s actually punished, I’ll eat my next four paychecks.
I admire your optimism and confidence in the integrity of our federal justice system as it relates to political corruption. If things play out the way you predict, it may even restore some of my faith in the system.
A vote for libertarian is a vote for Hillary.
These types of comments are such bullshit. In 90% of the states, the outcome is already determined by late October. There are about 5 “swing states” and that is it. A vote for a third party in a place like California isn’t going to change California falling to Hillary just as a third party vote in Arizona isn’t going to change that Arizona will go to Trump.
As the saying goes: There’s a sucker born every minute.
Well that’s why we have a lot of these never Trump idiots I suppose. Somehow people can still believe that a clinton gun ban is better than Trump. A lack of critical thought seams very prevalent with those voting for hitlary and her 3rd part extension this fall.
Ok so you seem to think Trump will be a gun banner/grabber. The question I have for you is this, what do you propose we do about it? You have two clear cut choices. One will outright do everything they can to ban and confiscate your firearms. The other claims he supports the second amendment and wants to bring and end to illegal immigration. There are Supreme Court nominees who will be named and appointed by the next administration, we certainly don’t want Hillary doing any of that.
There may be a hell of a lot of things that are just talk right now when it comes to Trump and what he may or may not do. I cannot tell anymore than you how true his words are. I can only tell you for a fact what the record of Hillary Is and what her agenda is. Trump is not my dream ideal candidate, but he beats the alterth
Well donnie SAYS the right things. But he has NO record… Lord why can’t it be the unambiguous guy like Ted Cruz or even Rand Paul?
Because they would be to playing around the media’s game and looking like fools. Trump goes straight in and makes the media look like the Democrat guppies they are.
NONSENSE…just a populist. Still better(I hope!) than the hildebeast…
I’m so sick of the hypocritical whiners who blame the media for everything. The very people who espouse taking personal responsibility are usually the ones who blame EVERYONE ELSE for everything they don’t like. Trump is a pathetic liar and thin-slinned hypocrite who will say anything to pump up his own ego. When a politician has nothing to say or is trapped in yet another lie, the go-to position is to blame the media. Anyone who can’t see that is a lazy thinker who is not smart enough to make up his own mind. Im so embarrassed for this county.
Ted Cruz? Unambiguous?
Well I guess that’s one word for it. Cruz is, unambiguously, not a supporter of the second amendment. Despite trying to claim it’s protecting rights on his campaign website, Grassley-Cruz was nothing more than more gun control. He could have co-sponsored the Hearing Protection Act at any time, but never did despite repeated calls for him to do so.
It’s real simple. Clinton or Trump. After the 9th circuits decision it got simpler. If Clinton gets it we’ll look back at CA gun laws and the roster and think, “those were the good days.”
Finally, someone else who sees the forest for the trees. I keep telling people, if Hillary wins, the whole nation will be worse off than California.
Is there or will there ever be, for guys like you, a time when you grasp the big picture and realize that we are being forced into a global-state where individual liberty, sovereignty and the Constitution are eradicated?
Will you ever realize that we actually have only ONE party, a Globalist-Collectivist Party, not the two false-main parties that are staged to fool you…the Republican and Democrat? Republican is the right-wing and Democrat is the left-wing of the ONE party.
Does it ever sink in that regardless of which staged puppet-clown from either wing of ‘the party’ is allowed to assume ‘power’, that none of the critical things change…empire, endless war, surveillance and police state, dependency programs, land grabs, invasions, occupations, aggressive interventionism, illegal alien invasion, managed globalist trade deals that cede sovereignty and destroy manufacturing and the middle class, constutional abrogations and usurpation, insane confiscatory taxation, lawless and unaccountable govt, relentless criminalization of individual choice, govt regulation, federal govt expansion, insane spending, and on and on and on…?
Well, does it?
Do you not grasp that the ‘courts’ WILL rule that the RKBA and Amendment II are eventually so severely restricted/infringed as to effectively be null and void?
This will happen regardless of which ‘wing’ of the party the potus puppet-clown de jour is installed from.
When, not if, that happens…will you then finally take a stand and step up and simply and openly declare that you will not comply, refuse to bow down and resist even with force of arms to defend your Liberty, or, rather, will you keep searching for some savior or some leader to ‘fix things’, or perhaps continue the self-delusion as to a restoration of Liberty and restoration of the Constitution via ‘the courts’?
How can these glaringly obvious circumstances and facts escape people?
I suspect, in large part, that it is cognative dissonence, along with a healthy dose of willful ignorance, fear of admitting the truth as a psycological defense mechanism, outright stupidity, a compliant indoctrinated mindset and other things.
All I see when I read a post like yours about supporting the ‘lesser turd’ to impact ‘judicial appointments’, court rulings and the accompanying hissing to convince others to accept the unacceptable to, somehow, save Liberty and the RKBA…well, all I see is someone who will turn them in once the courts rule that it is required and guns are illegal or so infringed/restricted as to effectively nullify Liberty’s Teeth…rather than shooting the puke-fucks who attempt to make it so.
Interesting times… and times that do not look good for Liberty due to willfully ignorant and compliant people goofily playing along with their own clear and open destruction.
And so the fall of the Republic continues…
So what’s your answer then? Refuse to vote and try to storm the white house? It is WAY too early for that.
Typical response from an acolyte of ‘The Paradigm of The Lesser Turd’.
I will simply stand on my rock-solid beliefs, ethics, integrity and my unshakable principles which are grounded in individual liberty and in the specific and enumerated limitations placed on govt by the Constitution.
Your mileage clearly varies.
Placing hope or faith in any person ‘allowed’ to become potus is laughable. I refuse to comply, I refuse to play along and I refuse to be led around by the nose.
I am a free hairy-knuckled open-eyed thinking man.
Long ago the Constitution and Republic would have been restored but for those who I assume are like you…you know, the ones who keep facilitating and enabling domestic enemies to do the things that they do and that they grow ever more bold in doing because no matter how aggregious, such people comply and play along with the staged clown-circus.
‘Storming the white house’, as you put it, with the cover and interference you guys provide would be foolish and an impossible task due to such a scant number of principled and resolved men existing at this time. It will, however, likely be a grim scenario that will ultimately be forced because you and your brethren will string things along until even you realize what is really being foisted on us, but by then it will be all but impossible to be successful because naked-tyranny will be in place by then.
You act as if one must abide by what the controlling cabal offers up. Strange to see how many are so indoctrinated and caught up in righteous fervor at preventing ‘the other turd’ when the fact is that either turd offered up will continue the overall plan and will merely stage a show and bicker and squabble around the periphery to gain your assistance and support.
Anything else?
Wow. JB. You’re really full of yourself. You the only one smart enough to be in the room with yourself? Or maybe you have to stand a room over from your ego?
No, jwm…what I am is grimly resolved, open-eyed, awake and aware and completely puke-sick of seeing the same old bullshit rationalizations and justifications for practicing the ‘Paradigm of The Lesser Turd’ electoraly…cycle after cycle after cycle…as if somehow, miraculously, THIS TIME it will be different.
What so many do is nothing new at all.
It is as if masses of folks just cannot seem to see the clear historical evidence of what this crapola results in. Nor can masses of folks seem to be able to grasp what is so clearly going on.
Seriously, what is it that you expect or hope to see from either Trump or Clinton being elected?
Please do not regurgitate anything about the SC’R’OTUS, because it is going to continue to rule against Liberty and the Constitution until totalitarianism is openly legal, just as it nearly is now.
One would think that this would be obvious and one would think that people would be willing to face the necessary actions forced upon free men when, not if, that happens.
Do you see a roll-back of the size, scope, power, corruption, lawlessness of govt? Do you see a restoration of Individual Liberty, of the Constitution, of the Republic, of the Bill of Rights? Do you see a sane fiscal base, a reduction in govt spending, a roll-back of globalism?
What?
What you see as a man full of himself, is merely a man confidently and forcefully (and often with a mite o’ sarcasm) expressing his opion, his disdain and his dsgust with the gerbils who continue to enable govt doing the anti/un constitutional things that it does in its planned drive to world-government.
The fact that it seems to bother you is your issue to deal with, not mine, but I do hope you feel some better after getting that hairball out of your craw.
Anything else?
Nope. Clearly a man that operates at your level has no use or need of the opinions of gerbils or sheep or whatever else you call others to make yourself feel better.
Must suck to look into the mirror and see all that awesomeness and nobody but your mother recognises it.
Hey Trump whiners, you can make that argument about flip-flopping with any candidate for office. The present office holders are your proof. Why is Trump any different to all the butt-hurt gun owners out there?
The butt-hurt has reached its expiration date. Time to move on. Voting for Trump in Nomember is the only realistic option I see. Hillary has some serious numbers that will vote for her. The vote counters are mostly Dems and she has the media on her side.
We are going to need a perfect storm to keep that harridan out of office.
Honestly – if our gun rights are so precarious that we need to vote for the thin skinned, racist, con man in order to protect them… perhaps we deserve to lose them.
Hilary is pretty awful, but the GOP managed to find a way to actually pull a series of prospects out of the muck who could (shockingly) be even less palatable than she is… And than selected the worst of them all to be the candidate. Really, the Republican party knew Hillary would be the candidate in 2016 going all the way back to 2008. They’ve been cooking up Clinton Scandals since 1991. All that time, all that ammo, all that preparation – and the very best and brightest they could put forward to run against her is Donald Trump?
Yet the person most like to torpedo Hillary… is Hillary herself. Her latest scandal put a multimillion dollar donor into the state department and given top intelligence clearance, despite that donor having absolutely no experience or any credentials to hold that position. Sorry, I’m not voting for Hillary either. The U.S. and our ethics and values are not for sale.
Right… it’s that *next* scandal that will be the one to bring Hilary down! Just one more!!!
Let me tell you the number of people who aren’t hardcore conservatives who care about Hilary’s “scandals,” the number is zero (0). And don’t, for one femtosecond, think that folks on the left don’t have a bushel of indictments they would love to pin on a wide number of conservatives! You’ll find them accusing Republicans of just as much incompetency, back room dealing, favoritism and hypocrisy (wanna play? Ok, Bush put his friend’s buddy in charge of FEMA, a dude who’s previous experience was a law degree, and 13 years running the International Arabian Horse Association).
Honestly, we brought this on ourselves. We guy guys have been insular and made little/no efforts to reach out across the aisle (or at least, any effective efforts), for about 20 years. The gun community has become more and more self-rightously conservative and white at a time when the country is going progressive on nearly every other social issue. We pinned our cart to a horse that’s been going the wrong way, and we’re getting taken with it.
The gun community has become more white? Yeah, that’s not even close to being true. In fact, women is the fastest growing demographic of gun owners, and that’s been the case for a while. As for reaching across the aisle, why would we do that? The facts are on our side. What, are we supposed to accept (demonstrably useless) gun control (from folks who will never say, “OK, guns are restricted enough. We’re gonna back off now”) just for the sake of looking like we can cooperate? Yeah, I don’t think so.
Those folks across the aisle? Their idea of “compromise” is that we give things up, but not as much as they would want us to. That’s not compromise; a compromise is when both parties gain something and lose something.
Red:
“The gun community has become more white? Yeah, that’s not even close to being true. In fact, women is the fastest growing demographic of gun owners, and that’s been the case for a while.”
Umm, did I say “white men?” No, I said whites. Yea, there are a lot of women coming into the fold – but I would garner that most of them are the significant others of men who are already enthusiastic gun owners, or from families who are enthusiastic gun owners. Crossing the gender divide in communities that, honestly, are probably all going to vote Republican Only anyhow.
“As for reaching across the aisle, why would we do that? The facts are on our side. What, are we supposed to accept (demonstrably useless) gun control (from folks who will never say, “OK, guns are restricted enough. We’re gonna back off now”) just for the sake of looking like we can cooperate? Yeah, I don’t think so.”
I misspoke when I said aisle; where we’ve failed is in the grass roots of the matter. Lots and lots of Americans find the basic notion of self defense with a firearm absurd. Lots of Americans simply cannot comprehend why anyone could possibly need more than 10 rounds in a magazine. Lots of Americans find the whole “gun” thing to be wrapped up in self-image, and machismo, and a spurt of the last dying breaths of faux masculinity in American culture.
So when Wayne Le Pierre gets up after a mass shooting, and suggests the answer is “More guns, arm teachers, etc etc,” we in the gun community (who know this response to be true) cannot comprehend the fact that lots of (perhaps, even a majority) of Americans find those strategies not just distasteful, not just absurd… but utterly insane. There is sort of a mini Overton Window about self defense and firearms – you see people who decide to learn about guns for the first time progress through that window… from wanting to have a gun for self defense in the home, to eventually getting a CCW permit, to eventually taking classes with an AR. As their experience level goes up, their Overton Gun Window shifts. If you asked them on Day 1 of their journey if they would ever be wearing knee pads, and a battle belt, and shooting an AR they paid $2700 for, all kitted out, at a steel target, under time, in SBU Prone… They would think you were crazy.
It doesn’t help that the gun community is so staunchly crazy super conservative. I walk into a gun store and hear more right wingnut conspiracy bullshit than Art Bell. It’s a bunch of fuckin’ dumb white dudes saying “Barack HUSSAIN Obama” and spouting off whatever liberal conspiracy theory bullshit they heard on the AM dial that morning.
As someone who’s no fan of Trump I have to ask: what exactly do you think makes him a racist?
I don’t necessarily know if Trump is racist on his own, but he clearly is looking to foment a racial/class divide in this country to ride it into the White House.
And besides, it doesn’t matter if he is racist or not – the perception amongst the majority of the electorate is that Trump is (or is using the language of a) racist and bigot. His actual chances of winning this election are extraordinarily low. He has no realistic policy positions. He has no connections with anyone with backgrounds in matters of state, domestic policy, economics, military actions (oh, but he knows as much as the military does, because he went to New York Military Academy for high school!). The man is a cunning buffoon who hacked the GOP primary and he deserves kudos for that, but he is still a buffoon.
The simple fact of the matter is – Trump will be absolutely destroyed this election cycle. Christ, he is already losing 2% of his support per week, and the convention hasn’t happened yet. At the rate he is going, he will likely take the House and Senate with him as he goes down.
And honestly, this is what the GOP deserves by putting him forward. It’s a damn disgrace.
“They” didn’t put him up. “They” hated him, and attempted to torpedo Trump. Trump ran of his own volition, struck a chord with the American people—-and the RNC fought him until the very end—and STILL sends Romney and Ryan out to torpedo him at this late date.
He is an outsider. What are you prattling on about?
Struck a cord… with something like 22% of all registered GOP voters. The GOP drove a clown car to the primaries (they somehow managed to make an even more freakish clown car than they did in 2012), and they split the vote. Trump hacked the process.
Don’t get me wrong, Trump did some brilliant political maneuvering, but he is unelectable in the general. If “the people” is the most ignorant, low class, white, vaguely racist, pissed off portions of the GOP, than sure – Trump is a real winner!
Like I said, he’s already -3% down in a week because of his totally ignorant statements about the “Mexican” judge, overseeing the trial in his god damn sham of a “University.” He’s a god damn con man and 75% of the country knows it. He’s going to keep stepping on his crank, and when he has to play to the whole country and not just every sad-sack, toothless, oxycontin addict, he’s going to get clobbered.
GregK,
“… the GOP managed to find a way to … [select] the worst of them all to be the candidate.”
That depends on your precise definition of “GOP”. If you are referring to the electorate, you are right. If you are referring to party members, you are dead wrong because the GOP hates Trump and is doing everything in its power to derail him.
Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it?
The GOP leadership is so incompetent, so out-of-touch with their electorate, that they let this buffoon walk in. They ran such a shitty biomass of a freak show, that this media buffoon hacked their process.
But let’s be clear here – Trump won a primary process with a *minority* of Republican votes. Because that clown car split things so heavily, Trump was taking 30-40% minority wins of primary voters. That translates into something like 10-15% of the actual general electorate.
We can debate the ins-outs of Trump as a candidate all we want – he’s going to get absolutely clobbered in the general. He was armor plated before the Mexican judge thing, and he still hasn’t recovered (3 full cycles through). He’s slipping -3% in all polls (and he was already losing in most of them). You want to maintain your gun rights? Do whatever it takes to oust Trump at the convention. ANYTHING.
Trump isn’t the best choice in the election, he’s the only choice. But the Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong among POTG.
When Lenin said that capitalists would sell him the rope that he would use to hang them, he knew what he was talking about. Likewise, POTG will sell the Democrats the rope that they use to hang us. You can see it right here on TTAG.
I despair for my country.
Amen brother Ralph!
If I were to guess, the “Trump haters” of the gun (THOGs) are also woefully ignorant about history. People really haven’t changed a lot in their reasoning and their reaction to rhetoric. So without a firm grasp of history the past may repeat. To me Trump sounds a lot more like the real Thomas Payne in his passion for the 2nd Amendment.
Passion? Really? What do you have to drink or swallow to convince yourself that the man is passionate about the 2nd Amendment? If I wasn’t against abusing drugs or alcohol I’d ask you to share some with the rest of us.
My use of the nom de plume aside, juxtaposing Trump and Thomas Paine is anathema (in my view).
Wait what? Why ad hominem attack me? Who said anyone was talking about you? You are not the Thomas Paine I was talking about. I meant the Patriot Thomas Paine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine
This particular Thomas Paine quote sounds a lot like Trumps response to the Paris attacks IMHO.
“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”
Thomas Paine
If you despair because you’re worried Trump might not win, then … wow. How pathetic and sad and disgusting have we become that we think Trump winning is a good thing?
And by the way, it ain’t necessarily over yet. If Trump does one more thing that pisses the establishment off, they CAN dump him. All they have to do is change the rules so that it takes more delegates than he’s got to secure the nomination. Sure, it’s the “nuclear option”, but — it took nuclear bombs to stop World War II, it may take a nuclear option to save this country from Hillary vs. Trump.
Yea that’s lose-lose. If they did that, Trump’s supporters would be gone and they guarantee loss of Senate and maybe House on top of losing the main event.
It won’t be Democrats that give Hillary the big chair, it’ll be conservatives not voting for Trump.
I see Ralph gets it. Hurrah!
What horseshit. You’re sounding like an NRA parrot. How many other candidates actively funded anti-2a campaigns? Trump is just saying what it takes to get support from gun owners, many of whom rightfully trust him as much as we trust people who run ‘gun safety’ groups. While not perfect, when Trump was trying to get an AWB and waiting period Gary Johnson was passing shall issue concealed carry in a blue state. He helped us in CO with recalling state senators who passed universal background checks and a mag ban, where was Trump? Funding the left still. Nothing Trump can say now will earn my vote.
So you’re going to vote for Johnson, who has both no chance of winning AND a card carrying gun-controller for a running mate?
So a governor who passed one anti-gun bill 25 years ago is disqualified but a man who has been financing multiple gun control efforts in much more recent memory gets a pass? Ok then.
Spoken like a true “Cuck”, you’re a perfect Hillary voter.
The fact is we have Donald J. Trump’s sons, Don Jr. and Eric to thank for his conversion on the 2nd Amendment. If it wasn’t for Eric and Don Jr. both “firearms enthusiasts” Trump would still be believing what he read about “guns” and “gun culture” in the Cuck (Wall Street) Journal and Liberal Jew (New York) Times, probably the only newspapers he read and neither a bastion of pro-2nd Amendment forces.
When judging Trump on firearms one must take into account that despite having a Concealed Carry Permit and a handgun Trump wasn’t into firearms choosing instead to spend his time on “business” matters and at his homes in NYC and Maralargo (Florida), neither a “hot spot” for gun owners save for those “hunting” rival gang members. For a guy that had a habit of neglecting his wives in order to promote and expand his business I can forgive his ignorance and respect him for admitting that that he was wrong.
FLAME DELETED
I don’t know where to begin after reading your little diatribe and frankly, I don’t have the time…so I’ll just say you’re a FLAME DELETED.
Not voting for any candidate that you might endorse would seem an intelligent decision by any rational being.
INVITATION TO FLAME DELETED Hearts and minds…
I am stunned that Dean Weingarten omitted the most important FACT about Donald Trump’s Second Amendment credibility: Donald Trump is the first major political party candidate for President of the United States who has a concealed handgun license and regularly carries a handgun. That alone is a pretty big clue that he “gets it”.
On top of that, his son Eric (and to a lesser extent Donald Jr.) is an AVID firearm owner and shooter and is solidly on our side. Even better, Trump the elder actively integrates his adult children into his business dealings as both minions and advisers. That means Eric Trump will be a seriously potent positive influence on Trump Sr. with respect to Second Amendment policy.
This really is a true no-brainer. Donald Trump represents ZERO threat to our Second Amendment rights and policy compared to Hillary. And, with a little good fortune, Donald Trump could seriously improve Second Amendment application and policy within the United States of America.
Disclaimer: I am NOT a Trump fan-boy.
Nonsense-plenty of gun for me but not for thee types who hate my rights…
FormerWaterWalker,
What evidence do you have that Trump Sr. and sons (especially his sons) are on the “guns for me and none for thee” bandwagon?
More importantly, what evidence do you have that Trump will be worse for gun rights than Hillary?
A supposed billionaire BUYS(bribes) a pistol permit and THAT means something? Hell John Stossel couldn’t even get one BTW. I guess he didn’t have enough clout($). Hey Bill O’Reilly has one too… I never said donnie was worse than the beast in pantsuits. He’s also on record supporting gun control,being in bed with Clintons and being a registered dumbocrat. Yeah I’ll still vote for him-but I trust him as much as MItt…and he said what a great judge his ultra left big sis was…I guess we have to trust Eric and Donnie Jr on this one.
FormerWaterWalker,
I am not claiming that Donald Trump will be a guaranteed Second Amendment stalwart. All I am claiming is that there is sufficient reason to be guardedly optimistic that Trump will at least maintain the status quo on the Second Amendment … which means that Trump is hands-down a far better choice than Hillary with respect to the Second Amendment. It sounds like you are somewhat close to the same position.
Your “zero threat” has been bank rolling democrat antis his entire adult life up to his current run. The Feinsteins, the Clintons, Gavin Newsome, Kamala Harris, Cuomo –he’s been there every step of the way.
And Trump is a greater threat than Hillary to our right to keep and bear arms because … (crickets)
Two much more important questions:
(1) What evidence do you have that Trump supported those candidates?
(2) What evidence do you have that Trump supported those candidates specifically to advance gun-control?
*sigh* The evidence has been out there for literally months, while Trump was babbling about “lyin’ Ted”
Won’t matter, you’ll just say “it was just business” like all the other rubes, why should I bother chasing down PITA urls for you? –I’m just cursing the coming Dark Age, here.
barnbwt,
I am not, repeat NOT a Trump fan-boy. I did not, repeat NOT vote for Trump in the primaries.
I don’t care how much you mistrust or despise Trump: he cannot possibly be worse for the Second Amendment than Hillary. Period. Full stop.
No one is asking you to like or trust Trump … or to vote for Trump because you like or trust him. We are asking you to vote for Trump to ensure that Hillary — SOMEONE THAT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN WANTS TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO INFRINGE OUR UNALIEANABLE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS — does NOT win the election.
Furthermore, we are not just voting for the next President of the United States in November. We are also voting for the person who will appoint as many as four United States Supreme Court Justices. If Hillary wins, I can absolutely guarantee you that she will only appoint justices who are dedicated to gutting the Second Amendment to the point of irrelevance. If Trump wins, he cannot possibly do any worse and there is limited reason to expect that he will appoint justices who will support the Second Amendment.
Diane Feinstein also had a carry permit and carried regularly until she was called out as a hypocrite. Would you support her presidency as well?
Notice how into gun control Reagan got after being shot at? Trump has already received vague death threats from the extreme conservatives, how do you honestly think this man will react to that? If he has a REMOTE thought that a gun could be turned against him he’ll pull down heaven and earth to make sure EVERY gun is taken from every citizen hand. Trump cares about Trump, zero else. Yep, Hillary isn’t any better, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking Hillary being garbage doesn’t mean Trump also doesn’t belong in the landfill. I’ll take my chances that Weld has mellowed on his gun control issues and give Johnson my vote any day over those two clowns.
“I’ll take my chances that Weld has mellowed on his gun control issues and give Johnson my vote any day over those two clowns.”
At the present moment, Brian, I am in agreement (regardless of all the hysteria about wasting votes). Frankly, if we never have the courage to vote for the candidate we consider best, regardless of the “practicalities”, things will never change for the better.
Perhaps for the Democrats it’s business as usual…I don’t know. But if DJT is the best the Republican Party can come up with, their ship has sailed and it’s time to make new reservations.
So it’s time to hand the government to the Demokkkrats for a generation or two? Do you even listen to yourself?
Why don’t you just take your thirty pieces of silver and go joint the Thug Lives Matter crowd?
A vote for ANYBODY except Trump is a vote AGAINST the 2nd amendment.
I’ve got news for you, pw…there’s more at stake than just the 2nd Amendment. I respect your right to your opinion and your vote. By the same token I’ve served my country and have earned the right to vote the way I see fit.
Differing opinions are protected under the Constitution. I know because I took an oath to support and defend it with my life if need be. That has not changed.
Yeah, get in line. You’re not the only one who served and then watched his country go down the shitter for eight years. The stakes are too high right now to throw government to the Demokkkrats. If they get another term, you can kiss our democracy goodbye. They will use these four years to put in place a socialist police state that WILL take an actual revolution to get out of power.
>> Demokkkrats
The irony of using that word to describe the opponents of a man who is literally endorsed by actual KKK is overwhelming.
Irony? I am sorry mon ami…but the concept is too subtle for les Trump supporters to grasp.
On the other hand the KKK and National Socialism…oui, that they do understand.
So as I asked someone else, you’re going to vote for the guy that has no chance of winning so you can make a symbolic gesture, a guy who also has a gun-grabbing running mate who maybe [citation needed] has changed his views on gun control?
I appreciate the symbolism, but you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
Depends on where he lives, doesn’t it? There are probably 15 states where a dead raccoon with an R behind his name on the ballot would beat Clinton by 20 percentage points, and just as many that will go the other way with similar margins. If you live in one of those states, you probably have the luxury of voting however the hell you want, knowing that your vote can’t possibly make a difference either way.
Sure, if you’re in one of the dozen or so swing states where the election is actually in question, the calculus changes. But a vote for a third party candidate isn’t any more “wasted” than a vote for a D or an R if you’re in a solid red or blue state, because it wasn’t going to impact the election anyway.
So you’ll throw your vote away like a FLAME DELETED rather than vote for the only candidate who has a shot at beating Hitlary…
Yeah… Good job.
Maybe ya’ll should have fought Trump you had the chance, because I will NOT vote for the man. The same goes for Hillary. If you accept a oligarchy between these two worthless parties than you dont deserve democracy in the first place. You all sound like a abused spouse “But if I leave, it’s so scary!” Grow a pair, throw your bags in the car, and get the f-out of the trailer park. We can do better.
If Trump loses it’s because he’s a freaking mess of a person who couldn’t beat the woman who almost lost to 75 year old socialist, NOT because I voted for the better candidate.
Edit: Anyone who is willing to take freedoms away, even if it’s scary brown people, over fear and safety is not someone I can trust to keep the second amendment alive. Trump has proven he’ll support suspension of liberties to “protect America”. You REALLY think the next step to gun control is that far away?
What freedom does Trump want to “take away”? How about you quit drinking the Bernaid?
He’s suggested registering American citizens based upon religion….you do realize there are 9 other bill of rights, too, right?
Actually, he has supported no such thing. You need to quit taking heavily edited out of context quotes at face value.
When asked about implementing a database of Muslims…..”I would certainly implement that. Absolutely,”…what am I taking out of context here?
Because the question was about FOREIGN MUSLIMS in the US smart one. If you don’t think the public has a right to know who we let in and where they are, you’re delusional.
Please. You people would vote for Hillary if you thought she’d beat Hillary. And to a certain extent you are.
Exactly. Hillary will be one of the worst presidents with regards to civil liberties on record….Trump will be the president that people in the future have to invent time travel to come back and prevent from being born. Putting your faith in a pathological liar used to be the domain of the Democrats but it looks like the GOP got suckered now too. Good luck to you all, at least when I’m being rounded up in a Trump University re-education camp I can look over at the guy next to me and say “Well, don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for him”
Only if you’re a delusional SJW wannabe who doesn’t understand that twenty years of “business as usual” has corrupted the GOP establishment beyond redemption. If the liberals thought Trump would loose, they wouldn’t be working overtime to smear him.
It’s about damn time that we had a president willing to take the PC SJW culture and put a boot up its ass.
So as I asked someone else, you’re going to vote for the guy that has no chance of winning so you can make a symbolic gesture, a guy who also has a gun-grabbing running mate who maybe [citation needed] has changed his views on gun control?
I appreciate the symbolism, but you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
I have to agree with you. Johnson and the Libertarians lost me on the Weld pick. And I’ve voted Libertarian for the past several elections going back to 1992. So this year, Trump it is, but truthfully, I was leaning that way given the stakes in the Supreme Court. While I don’t like the Republican stance on other social issues, most of them have been firmly established by the Supreme Court. The Second Amendment has not, and given how the Democrats treat it, it needs to be. That can only be done with a conservative court.
If you’re seriously considering Trump as a viable candidate solely over his 2A position (and ignoring all the other crap that he said he would bring), I really don’t see how you could call yourself libertarian with a straight face.
I’m sorry the comment section feels this way. No 3rd party is getting in and Hillary already said she is done with the 2nd amendment. I’m all for Trump. Even if he does nothing, its still better than Clinton.
Maybe Trump’s current words on the 2A are stronger than previous candidates because the issue has been rising with the public for a long time. Things are coming to a head on the 2A front, and Trump realizes that and is making the right noises. If gun rights hadn’t become such a huge political football in recent years, I suspect Trump’s position on the topic would sound a lot more like the wishy-washy, “nuanced” words of those other candidates who had the luxury of running campaigns when the issue didn’t loom so large, or when general public sentiment was far less pro-2A. Comparing presidential candidates from previous elections isn’t particularly useful, since each cycle is different and different issues occupy the minds of the electorate, and the candidates have to pander differently each time.
Would explain why he previously said nearly the opposite things and supported anti gun politicians. I’m cool with him being a convert, but it seems way more likely he’s simply a fair weather friend, ready to sign Manchin-Toomey 2.0 after an attack to score some cheap points with the ignorant majority.
Simple, his son was too young to influence his father at the time.
Not a mention of the past donations to anti gunners, nor the anti-gun positions he’s taken, nor his personal association with our supposed ultimate evil Hillary…
This article is nothing but whistling past the graveyard; a lot of us just don’t realize we’ve already lost this one by nominating such a poor candidate.
It amazes me that people still think that Trump will stand behind a single word he says. He will not. He’s a deadbeat who reneges on contracts All The Time. He just doesn’t pay what he contractually agreed to. Hundreds of contractors, lawyers, and others have filed complaints, lawsuits, and everything else to try to get this scumbag deadbeat to pay what he legally, contractually owes — and he just won’t.
If he won’t honor a legally-binding contract, what in the living hell makes you think he’ll honor a CAMPAIGN PROMISE, of all things?
You’re gambling your country on the promises of a carnival barker who has shown absolutely zero respect for the first, fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments. Who clearly has never read the Constitution and doesn’t understand a thing it says. Who has no clue about the separation of powers and doesn’t even know what the job of President does. Who has already said that he intends to use Executive orders Obama-style. A dictator. A tyrant.
There is only one way out of this: Dump Trump. Change the convention rules to require more delegates than he has — yes, it’s actually a possibility, especially since many of Trump’s delegates are actually Cruz supporters and may go along with it. The rule can be changed. Change the rule, get past the first ballot, and then open it up to some sane candidates. Nominate someone with a record, someone who isn’t a clinically insane narcissist, someone who actually does believe the things he says. Someone who could actually win. Someone that a woman or a Hispanic or a black might actually consider voting for. I don’t care if it’s Kasich or Cruz or Rubio or Ryan or hell, I’d even take Newt Gingrich. Just Dump Trump. And please, no Romney.
I’d love to see Cruz nominated, but it’s too late. Trump has so divided the party it can no longer muster a victory for either of them. An even more implausible political ‘marriage’ between them is the only possible solution. And frankly, it is undeniably all Trump’s fault, and no one else’s (maybe Bush to a much lesser extent, for even daring to run this cycle & legitimize all the mindless “antiGOPE” idiocy).
He’s killed us, we just don’t all realize it yet.
Right… Because the fact that Cruz sold out his constituents is totally irrelevant. It’s somehow Trump’s fault that Cruz didn’t deliver what he promised when he was elected.
We know exactly how HIllary will vote, and what kind of judges she will nominate to federal courts and SCOTUS.
That alone is enough to vote for Trump.
Trump Supports The 2A More Strongly Than Any Previous Republican Nominee
The last several RINO candidates have been pretty abysmal so that is not saying too much.
BTW. I did put a Trump sign in my front yard. Given the alternatives……
Trump has his own party attacking him as a racist, and he is still within the margin of error. He is going to win.
Polls before the convention has even concluded have always been useless. Let us see if you can say the same in Aug/Sept
The title of the post needs a question mark at the end.
While the analysis is good, you have to consider the context. Sometime things are said for political reasons.
Not to say those ex-POTUS were not anti-gun, but context is important. In a general all candidates move to the center with their rhetoric regardless of their beliefs. That said, Republicans have disappointed us for many years. JFK was more Republican than some designated Republicans.
“Nobody loves/hates [blank] as much as me!”
-Donald Trump
Yawn. Just more expedient promises from an inveterate reneger. Oh, yes, I just used the “R” word.
So be it, he ostensibly supports the 2A more than any other RNC candidate. The take home message for me then is screw looking to the Oval Office, with Trump in it or otherwise, for our gun rights. We mustn’t need a president on our side, the office must be nigh invariably hostile to our cause, so lets not go googly eyed over a few kind words from a guy who’ll say or do anything for attention, with no clear, verifiable principles.
Trump is your last chance. President Hilldog will ensure that anti-gun justices pack the supreme court like Lindsey Graham packs…you know. You’ll yearn for New Jersey gun laws after “she” obliterates your supposedly inalienable rights. All your hand wringing will be for naught. All your grand second amendment plans will be laid to waste. All because you preferred the false song of globalism to concrete nationalism.
Oh, he’s the last chance but we still have a chance, as long as we toe the line quick. Yeah right. Sounds like global warming alarmism. More likely we’re OK either way or screwed either way.
If you believe for a second the Hitlary won’t do her absolute best to get rid of that pesky 2nd amendment, you’re delusional. The dangerous part is that she has the chance to do it. Trump may not be perfect, but he has me on two major issue.
1. He kicks the SJW scumbags straight in the face.
2. He’s far more pro-gun than any president in living history.
What he says now that he is running for POTUS in the right-wing of the Globalist-Collectivist Party -vs- what he said and supported previously when he didn’t need to dupe (easily done, as repeatedly evidenced) the slack-jawed, slope-headed, wide-eyed, drooling-lipped ‘murican ‘patriots’…those ‘murican ‘patriots’ who would faithfully and dutifully eat a lunch selected for them and offered up by the single Globalist-Collectivist Party, consisting of two choices…a dry shit sammich or a steaming wet shit sammich…never even contemplating telling the proprietor to go fuck himself and summarily rejecting both shit sammiches whilst going and selecting something nutritious using his own will, choice and principle-preferences, or just rejecting the poisoned meal and skipping lunch.
The staged clown-circus continues and it is knowingly and willingly attended and paid for by the useful idgits of both the right (Republican) wing and the left (Democrat) wing of the single Globalist-Collectivist Party.
Pathetic,
I keep telling my gun owning friends that this election is not about the presidency. It is about the Supreme Court. Voting for Johnson or abstaining is just one less vote Hillary needs and a step closer to overturning heller and expanding the recent Peruta decision to the rest of the country.
Your choices are between a candidate that would try to stack the court, but would abide by what it rules; and the candidate that will probably just ignore it if it dares tell him that he can’t do something. Which one do you prefer long term?
Too bad he’s going to make us lose the election.
They will say anything to get elected, then it is totaly FRELL you, until elected time again
Trump or Hitlery, your choice people.
“Trump or Hitlery, your choice people.”
LOL…Let me clarify it just a mite, k?
Trump or Hitlery are your only choices, brought to you by the Globalist-Collectivist Party…one ‘choice’ from the Republican right-wing of the party and the other ‘choice’ from the Democrat left-wing of the same party.
Pay no attention to principle, to free will, to other choices, to refusing to play our staged-game, to the decades of direct evidence of the clear result of this staged-game, or to any crazy talk about expecting or demanding that candidates for office actually advocate or adhere to the Constitution or to the fundamental essential principles of Liberty, before shutting the hell up and falling into line like a good indoctrinated new american drone and supporting one of those we have selected and/or approved for you.
And specifically pay no attention to when Professor Quigley spilled the beans about the planned and staged clown-circus that we have set up to control you reference to ‘elections’…where he let it slip:
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.) ”
** The previous message has been brought to you by your bestest friends at the CFR, the Political Establishment, the Propaganda Ministers from the Globalist-Collectivist Party and from the Globalist-Collectivist Cabal which is dedicated to driving America into a global-state/world-govt.
Yep, LO F’ing L
Okay, folks. Anyone with half a brain knows no third party candidate or write-in has the smallest chance to win. So, it’s Trump or Clinton. I think the choice is pretty simple and I will be voting trump.
Show me where Trump is in favor of full repeal of the NFA and GCA or the abolishment of carry licenses and abiding by constitutional carry? Yah, he’s a lying squish used car salesman who knows his target audience and knows what to tell them to close the deal and sell the car. Being in favor of keeping gun control laws that are in place after guys like Goldwater ran shows he’s not a champion of gun rights. He’s just a guy selling something. “Art of the deal” baby!
And if Hillary truly was going to start mass confiscation, then the Molon labe keyboard warriors are full of crap. (Not to mention LE is much more likely to tell her to go fuck off than confiscate guns. She’s got a far higher unfavorability than even BHO. )
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