Gun Owners Vote, Giffords Plots and a Reporter Whines — TTAG Daily Digest

1. Gun owner’s who vote followed by Gabby’s brainless BS…the juxtaposition of your dreams! I wish I had someone to vote for in ILLinois…bad and awful for governor😦

   • Ditto. I would be tempted to vote for the Libertarian but in this state that would just let the democrat win.😡

2. Gun owners vote more often. I wonder if their next headline will be the discovery that the sky is blue.

   Planned obsolescence is very big in most industries lately. How crappy can you make a product, but still keep a decent following, despite charging more for less quality. See Ford, GM, Apple, and pretty much all cellphone makers.

   I don’t think owning a firearm should be grounds for termination from any job. Legal or illegal, it’s not the job of the school board, or any employer, to punish someone for something not related to their job.

   Well, if Aussies are consistently mean and nasty, then I’d be mean and nasty right back. It’s the same reason I’m always suspicious of certain groups. They might be super nice, but if a large amount of them are nasty, or unruly, or cruel, then I’ll logically assume they are likely to also be nasty, until they prove themselves otherwise.

   • Oi, cunt. Don’ be knockin’ on Straya.

     …cunt.

   • sadly if it was aussie media i am not surprised if they were rude at a gun show. those of us that detest the gun laws we have here would be highly unlikely to be rude and doubly so at a gun show. The australian media on the other hand barely even want to mention when our top shooters win gold at the Olympics and look for every opportunity to denigrate shooters and wont be happy till the whole world are disarmed shitholes

     • I cannot even imagine why Aussie media would have any interest in attending a US gun show. If their purpose is what I imagine, they can lie just as well without attending. And lie ABOUT attending.

       • Good point, very good.

3. What? Since when is there a wave of rude Australians causing an uproar at gun shows?

   • Maybe it is just the Aussie press?

     • Yeah somehow I suspect that the reporter is conflating his nationality with her perceived axe to grind… and reading the story, it’s full of half-truths and lies of omission.

       Or maybe the organizers didn’t like that the Australians were trying to go around and procure a gun illegally (but were figuratively shot down).

       • To understand why, just perhaps, the Aussie ‘journalists’ were unwelcome, just read the entire article.

         It is standard ‘journalism’ when it comes to firearms in this country viewed by a ‘subject’, replete with carefully-written comments about: “Mass/school/minority/puppy/infant-shootings/massacres/murders/holocausts, with photographs of firearms that may-or may not–be Class III or NFA but sure LOOK like they are fully-semi-automatic 600rps 30-caliber-clipazine-thing-in-the-back-pistol-grip-school-penetratingEBR military-grade-assault-weapons-of-war-with-no-place-on-our-streets that are handed out by the NRA to certifiably insane people with every new membership without a background check.

         That COULD be the reason. I’m not sure, though.

       • If they are trying to purchase a firearm illegally, hell, there are numerous ATF agents at every gun show, arrest and prosecute the SOBs, 5 years in prison will nip that in the bud.

4. ‘The next step requires giving bureaucrats the discretion to determine who should own g uns in the first place.’

   Hasn’t that been in play for a long time now in the form of ‘may issue’ permitting?

   • …..That would be The People’s Republic of M–Assachusetts…Where this is already in practice…Where bureaucratic roadblocks are always present…Such as Mandatory Safety Courses, Applications for a Firearms Identification Card /Licence To Carry are made to your “friendly local police department–or local licensing authority…*(Without a permit and multiple local/state police permissions. NO MA. resident/U.S. citizen can legally purchase ANY firearm or ammunition…)* Secondly, according to power$ that be…*(Re: Local/State Police, DemoCommie/RINO Politcians, MA. AG.–)* that there IS NO 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS. ONLY A Barely Tolerated Privilage that can be suspended or revoked at the whim of the local licensing…

   • …The best Massachusetts residents can expect for “over-the-counter ” self-defense/home protection options…Is maybe a can of pepper spray–if one can find any…Or a Maglight flashlight, baseball bat, a Wal-Mart Batlight, household chemicals, kitchen flatware, pocket knife, air gun, or take up archery…..

     • Short swords. 24 to 28″ blades. Long ones don’t work inside too well unless you have a castle.

       • Some times called a Boarding Sword or cutlass. A Wakazashi is a better tool for indoor use. Shorter than a katana and VERY sharp. The katami roll is a woven Bamboo mat with a piece of green Bamboo in the center then soaked in water. Think a leg or arm.

     • Healey should have been shown the door when she unilaterally determined that complying with our permanent AWB was actually circumventing it.

       • AG. Healey needs to be removed from public office and imprisoned for attempting to criminalize lawful Massachusetts residents…And circumventing the US Constitution and infringing upon the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens/MA residents.

       • If your a Massachusetts resident DON’T forget to vote. GOAL. Org just released its state Pro2 @ candidate sheet. With who is rated at “A” or 100%…And who is rated a big fat “F, or D”. Current RINO gov./Charlie “The Barker” Baker and Lt.Gov./Karen “0” Politio both rate Big Fat “F’s” along with a lot of their DemoCommie Friends….

         http://goal.org/MA-election.html

     • The magic of the double barrel coach gun. Legal almost everywhere and exceptionally effective at stopping attackers at close range. At least one, or maybe two if you don’t miss.

   • “‘The next step requires giving bureaucrats the discretion to determine who should own g uns in the first place.’

     Hasn’t that been in play for a long time now in the form of ‘may issue’ permitting?”

     Naw, Gov, think it through a bit deeper –

     I predicted in TTAG a few years back that upcoming ‘gun safety laws’ will be geared towards making as many more people as possible to be a legally ‘prohibited person’.

     Such as –

     Get into a heated argument with someone at work? Someone who can’t control their temper have no business owning a gun. An instant new crime.

     Get cited for careless driving? Someone as careless as that shouldn’t be trusted with the huge responsibility of owning a gun.

     Use your imagination on this people –

     This is how they will kill the 2A. If guns, especially semi-auto firearms with large standard magazine capacities get to declared in the near future by SCOTUS to be beyond their ability to ban or somehow regulate outright, then they must reduce the numbers of people who can own them.

     From their perspective, it’s far better to be safe than sorry when it comes to those ‘evil guns’ The laws they will propose are going to sound so very reasonable that nobody sane could possibly be against them. (Gag)… 🙁

5. Those Australians are pretty dangerous at shows. Some are for gun control and some are not. Not enough are pro-gun.

   • Tom
     I’ve been buying at or help run booths gun shows in USA, Canada and Australia for years without any problems. Then I’m a customer / salesman not an “activist” idiot.

     Unfortunately most media here goes out of its way to publish anti rubbish.

6. I live in Parkland, FL. After the shooting bus loads of liberals/weak minded people were sent to a so called “vigil”. I was the only Conservative attending and was bashed badly as I had pro 2nd Amendment signs. The point is I was one in 10,000 people pro gun. So how does pro 2nd Amendment politicians get voted in? The answer is we are smarter, stealthier and have a focused mind. We are not sheep. We will do do what are told to for a free meal or a smartphone, etc. We study candidates and vote. This Nov. is an extremely import one. We have to support President Trump. Take the day off, whatever it takes , but go vote. Let the dumb ones stay home. Us gun owners know what the Constitution stands for. The left does not.

   • Tom . It appears that us Floridians are going to have an uphill battle in November for the governor’s race. One candidate did not think before he spoke . His poor choice of words have put the race card into play and the opponent immediately seized the chance to use that well used crutch .
     We all better make it a priority to get out and vote because the candidate is not going to let this go and the media either . People like the Parkland strong plus the other liberals are going to beat this to death.

   • Do you think it might appear that way at rallies because POTG know better than to show up and get beaten up for nothing? Meanwhile the other side pays their attendees, buses them in from wherever, plus even feeds them, all for free?
     Might that not skew the numbers who show up at rallies?

7. Everybody wonders how the NRA with only 5-6 million members can have so much influence. By itself, it really doesn’t.

   They’re forgetting about the other 100-120 million gun owners who don’t belong to the NRA. Not to mention the millions of like-minded individuals who live in a household where at least one gun is present. They may leave the pro-2A activism and vocal support to someone else but they do tend to vote.

8. “Illegal AR-15”

   He was arraigned Wednesday, Aug. 29, in Riverside County Superior Court on separate charges, including possession of an assault weapon.

   According to court filings, a search warrant was executed at Morgan’s home May 22 and Riverside County Sheriff’s investigator Charlie Alkire found a loaded illegal AR-15 assault rifle inside Morgan‘s bedroom closet. The rifle, which did not have a serial number, was equipped with a standard magazine release button, a pistol grip, and an adjustable stock, the filing states.

   The document further alleges that Morgan admitted to purchasing the rifle about 18 months ago from a friend who was not licensed to sell firearms. Morgan also admitted to previously buying two other illegal AR-15 assault rifles from the same person, the report states.

   Morgan no longer owned the other two rifles, explaining he sold one and traded the other for a handgun and shotgun; both transactions were unlawfully completed without a licensed entity, according to the investigation.

   So goes it in the PRK.

   • Thanks for the research, I was wondering. Is nobody going to take these cases to court? All those “offenses” sound like BS to me, and I’m pretty sure not a thing you mentioned is illegal in Texas, or in any other area where the US Constitution is in effect. It would also be interesting to hear the probable cause presented for that search warrant.

     I can own a standard AR, buy another from a neighbor, sell or trade one to the guy down the street, those charges are bullshit. And I’d like someone to explain how any one of them could possibly prevent or solve a crime.

     • The private sales would be illegal in WA because of Initiative 594. I think one person has been charged. Thanks Gates, Ballmer, Hanauer and Bloomberg for this steaming pile of feces.

9. Well if the guy was Australian, I suspect he didn’t have a hunting license and thus was a prohibited person. I’d imagine “no prohibited persons” actually was on the rule list.

   • If the linked article is an example of what passes for journalism by this person, no wonder he was asked to leave.

     But would I be asked to leave if I attended a US gun show? For one I wouldn’t be asking stupid questions. A US gun show is an item on my bucket list.

     • It depends on the state.

       Go to one in a free state, you won’t have any problem browsing around and handling merchandise.

       Go to one in a slavestate, and unless you can produce proper identification, papers, and permissions, you’ll be turned away at the door.

       • Don’t be stupid, SC, just come to Texas. You know you want to, anyway.

     • Southern
       I’ve been going to USA gun and trade shows for 20 plus years and some are massive compared to Australia. Prices as the locals can tell you vary a lot but well worth going for the look

     • There is an excellent chance the reporter was lying, either partly or wholly.

       • Fake news? Say it ain’t so!

     • The linked article said the firearms in the show ranged “from pistols to rifles to Uzis.”
       I wonder (as I’m sure many here do too) just what category Uzis fall into. (I’m relatively certain they aren’t shotguns.)

       • I am fairly sure the “Uzis” are not full auto, but just regular semi-auto. They could be a pistol, rifle, or SBR depending on the stock/barrel length. All perfectly legal if the regulations are followed.

       • The same can be said for ARs and AKs. Their particular setup determines which group they fit into.
         My comment was about putting Uzis into their own group, as though their are rifles, pistols, shotguns and Uzis. It’s a form of ignorance, and attempting to scare the yokels.

10. Can’t say enough.
    Donate to SAF. Spend that $20-50 etc. for the week on them instead of some Gun Ban Hollywood action flicks and pop-corn.

    Much more enjoyable to defeat these communists cancer when SAF beat them in the courts.

11. “Moreno Valley school trustee Evan Morgan quits board; police say he had illegal AR-15 assault rifle”

    If the rifle in question was stolen property that is one thing, otherwise there is no such thing as a illegal AR 15 rifle. Perhaps it snuck across the southern border of it’s own volition,that just makes it a undocumented Commiecrat rifle.

12. I find the Australian thing amusing.

    Last time I ran into Aussies in the US it was at a gun store. They were there to try some rental guns and take pictures of themselves with things they couldn’t get in Oz.

    Nice guys, just wanted to shoot and get some pics to make their friends jealous.

    Also amusing that when I was living in NZ and visited Australia they tended to think Americans, especially Texans and Californians, were assholes. Everywhere has some jerks.

13. “Part of the reason majority opinions on gun control legislation aren’t turning into policy is that gun owners are a very strong political group who hold a lot of weight and hold a lot of influence despite being a minority in American politics,” said Abbie Vegter, a graduate student in political science.

    1 – Its unclear that any of the “gun control” proposals put forward actually represent “majority opinion” across the citizens, or the voters. (When people for “better gun control” vote against a particular measure, sometimes its because *they don’t see that measure as “better.*)

    2 – “Majority opinion” especially “one vote, one time, on demand” gets you American Idol. That’s not how we do it, or what we want.

    3 – Indeed, a *liberal* democracy, moderating the imposition of “majority opinion” is mandatory. Valuing individuals and their individual choices, a liberal democracy ought to be organized to shield minority preferences from the whim of the majority. 50% plus one vote is not a mandate to do anydamnthing.

    4 – In a republic, #3 times 2. In The US system, #3 times 5.

    5 – 100,000,000-plus (gun owners) is not a “small group” in a country of about 330,000,000. Nor is the 7,000,000 or so permit holders, the 5,000,000 plus who actively pay into the NRA or the 12-ish,000,000 who go for a background check for gun purchase every year. (Nor are the 250,000 or so who use a fire arm defensively each year, as the CDC found.)

    6 – One gets misled by “statistics” when one forgets to ask: “Says who?” See #5. An education in “political science” is supposed to inoculate against that somewhat.

    7 – Since when is it a problem for large numbers of Americans’ opinion to “hold a lot of weight” on policy? That’s kinda the point.

    Each of those should be blindingly obvious to anyone who’s actually educated in political science. For today’s remedial assistance, I’ll only charge Didnt-Take-Delivery there 1/10 of whatever the undergrad tuition was.

    Bonus: The US electoal system’s design is architected so to make it hard for majorities to overrun minorities with 50% plus 1 vote. Support for an idea must be *broad* as well as deep.

    Bonus II: There’s a lovely article i the Atlantic, as I recall, maybe 20-25 years back that breaks down the math of this in the US federal electoral system. A guy got curious. Invented a whole new sub-section of applied math to figure out how that worked. I am certain there is an “electoral systems” requirement in a graduate Poly Sci program, so My Preference Didn’t Win there ought to get this.

    Bonus III: Nakedly, plainly, our would-be overlords are P-Oed that they can’t inflict their preferences on other people far away. The crabbing about the highly-localized popular vote vs. electorial in the last presidential election is just one example. Coastal city population centers politically dominating entire states, making policies for stuff they never see or do, hundreds of miles away.

    You Got Science In My Politics-there is free to impose all sorts of draconian gun this or that wherever they happen to be. 2A restrictions that might stop that *are exactly what No Guns For You, wants to do to other people* — someone far away, who doesn’t have to live with the results, imposing their preference on you.

    The election-wrangling and scope of authority analysis is a graduate-level poli-sci specialty, so I’ll charge Slept Through Class there the whole graduate nut for this bit of remediation.

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