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TTAG Morning Digest: Restoring Felons’ Rights, Effective Thoughts and Prayers and a Symbolic Gun Rights Vote

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If the’ve paid their debt to society, what’s the problem? . . . New Florida bill could help those with convictions restore voting and gun rights

State Rep. Cord Byrd filed a bill Wednesday that allows those who’ve served prison and probation sentences for felonies to seek to have their voting and gun rights restored by petitioning judges.

Currently, those convicted of felonies have those civil rights revoked unless the governor offers clemency. This bill would allow people to file petitions in court that argue they deserve to have their rights restored; and it allows state attorney’s offices to oppose the petitions.

Judges must determine if the people asking for their rights back have led law-abiding lives since release and if they’re likely to continue to obey the law, if they’re not likely to be a danger to others and if giving back the rights is not contrary to the public’s interest.

Thoughts and prayers would be more effective than national concealed carry reciprocity

OK then . . . National concealed carry law would be less effective than thoughts and prayers

Instead of thoughts and prayers, our nation’s leaders are now responding to gun violence with concrete action. However, if they are successful, more Americans will be in danger of getting shot. That’s because lawmakers are working to expand, not tighten, gun rights.

This goes against the wishes of more than half of America’s citizens, who want stronger gun safety legislation. It goes against the wishes of the nation’s largest law enforcement agencies and mayors, because it would make the jobs of police officers more difficult. It goes against the wishes of advocates for the survivors of domestic violence, who call it a “race to the bottom.” It goes against the wishes of people who sincerely value states’ rights, who question the Constitutionality of this measure. It goes against the wishes of major organizations representing Catholics, Jews, Episcopalians, Methodists, Unitarians, Baptists, Mennonites and Sikhs.

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Sounds like she can take care of herself just fine . . . Hunter forced to defend her lifestyle after receiving death threats

“Hunting helps maintain animal populations at levels that are compatible with human life/activity. For example, hogs are insanely overpopulated and can cause serious damage to agricultural products, fields, and other vegetation, which can harm livestock. We also hunt coyotes and bobcats for purposes of predator control,” she shared.

Tate has received a lot of support from the hunting community both on and offline, but she still has had her detractors. Some of those morally opposed to hunting have issued death threats Tate via social media. But, Tate continues doing what she loves and trying to teach respect.

“I pride myself in respecting others for their beliefs and practices, regardless of whether I agree with them,” she said.

We’re sure the moms who demand disarmament will be fully supportive of this woman . . . Jacksonville police: Woman shoots ex-husband after he breaks into her home with crowbar, attacks her

The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office is searching for a man accused of attacking his ex-wife as he tried to break into her home.

The victim told police she shot Randolph Bishop in the face before he ran away.

Police said Bishop tried to break into the victim’s home with a crowbar.

According to a police report, Bishop said he wanted to talk, and when the woman agreed, he attacked her.

The Sheriff’s Office said the woman had a gun and fired at Bishop, hitting him in somewhere in the face.

Texas Sen. John Cornyn is all aboard the Fix NICS train

“legislation that has no chance whatsoever of becoming law” . . . A Gun Rights Vote Only the GOP Base Can Appreciate

A week such as this one — already chockablock with headlines touching the Hill — seemed to the Republicans who run the place like an ideal time for making a bold hiding-in-plain-sight move.

And so it was that the House devoted more than two hours Wednesday to passing legislation that has no chance whatsoever of becoming law and is broadly unpopular with the electorate, but nonetheless fulfills the GOP’s commitment to doing the bidding of an extremely potent force in its political base.

The bill would effectively permit gun owners to conceal and carry their weapons anywhere in the country — which is nothing less than the “highest legislative priority” of the National Rifle Association. Under the bill, for example, people from several states who have violent felony convictions would be free to board the New York City subway with a semiautomatic pistol hidden in their overcoats.

The vote was 231-198. Only 14 Republicans, half of them facing very competitive contests for new terms next fall, voted against the NRA’s wishes. Just six Democrats, two of them expecting a tough 2018 campaign, voted for the bill.

Colorado State Rep Lori Saine was caught with a gun in her purse by Denver TSA

This is why we can’t have nice things . . . Lawmaker says she accidentally brought gun to Denver airport

A Colorado state lawmaker arrested at Denver International Airport had a loaded handgun in her bag that was discovered by an airport security officer, police said Wednesday.

State Rep. Lori Saine “knowingly brought the handgun to the checkpoint” at the airport on Tuesday, according to a report written by Denver police officer Gregory Zimmerman. The report did not explain how he made that determination.

According to police, a Transportation Security Administration agent saw the Kahr Arms 9mm semi-automatic handgun when a bag belonging to Saine went through an X-ray machine, according to the arrest report. It had four rounds in its magazine but none in the chamber.

Saine, a Republican who has advocated for gun rights, was arrested on suspicion of introducing a firearm into a transportation facility and spent the night in jail.

 

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  1. So, after decades interfering in places he does not live or rule govern with advocacy, agitprop, astroturf, direct campaign contributions, “cooperative” remote enforcement & national imposition programs, Bloomie is bugged that people he’s tried to coerce are pushing back. (Popcorn. I need popcorn.)

    If he’d left people outside his jurisdiction alone, maybe they wouldn’t have slapped him down in his own playpen quite so hard. (Naaah. He can’t help himself. It won’t stop. More popcorn!)

    Maybe now he’ll realize that buying the title Duke of New York does not make him supreme galactic overlord. Although, still “A #1.” (Naaah. Another tub of popcorn!)

    Some people just shouldn’t ever come into money. Really, in cash-fueled boorish overreach Bloomie n company make The Orange Crush look dainty. Proconsul Cuomo has a different burden – born into the family business; it’s all he knows. (Gold-plated popcorn! Tremendous popcorn. Really, really great; the best popcorn!)

    Now that I think about it, this smug, overbearing downstate Satrap act extends to Herself, too. Here’s hoping the remaining two also flame out from over-reach. Maybe they can take long, consoling walks in the woods together. Without armed guards, of course, because nobody needs guns.(*)

    (*) And that’s the point. This “Armed guards for me, but not for thee.” is crap. The three amigos there aren’t at risk from us. We’re all at risk from occasional whack-jobs n crazies. The difference is *we* are fine with the anti-gun warriors-three protecting themselves, while they won’t allow us the same. If they want to go disarmed, we’re O K with that. We don’t want to impose our way on them, while they are about nothing but imposing on us. Indeed, they want us disarmed against our preference, while they walk the woods behind “security” with guns.

    Eventually, if we have to get a bit into their business to be left to ours, that’s what will happen. “National Reciptocity” is a beast of their own making, which they must realize. That’s got to burn them even more. (Bring me all the popcorn you have.)

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  2. I for one hope the person next to me is carrying along with me. The great part of this law is people from free states who do not need a permit to conceal carry can conceal carry in socialist states like California, NY and NJ. I love it… Now thats a stick in the eye.
    Any way we can get national open carry? 🙂

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  3. As a Californian stuck in Los Angeles county I couldn’t be happier. The reality check though is that this will likely not have the votes in the senate, especially if it was straight party lines in the house.

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  4. To 98.7%,
    You are 100% correct!
    Any human endeavor will have errors and mistakes because people are involved
    Even in 0 error, high risk areas like anesthesia
    We have a safety foundation that has been doing some great work on making anesthesia safer
    Engineering human factors out of the equation has been a fertile area to increase safety
    That is why I am so against Glock with its design flaw that you have to pull the trigger to field strip the gun
    That is an open invitation to a negligent discharge
    There are other striker fired guns that do not require a trigger pull to take apart
    There is no reason NOT to engineer a fix where you do not have to pull the trigger
    When millions of people are involved, there will be forgetful and negligent people
    Just like the original poster here
    He was negligent in forgetting the loaded magazine
    You can talk all you want about how “safety is between your ears” and stupid stuff like that
    This man is a perfect example of how inattention, negligence, and plain old routine can lead to this kind of an error
    Don’t buy striker pistols you have to pull the trigger to strip and don’t bring guns or magazines to the airport!
    Check twice!

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  5. If you are so irresponsible that you end up convicted in a court of law for a federal crime, you don’t get to vote and you don’t get to have a gun. Sorry, not sorry; when you do what you’ve done, you get what you got.

    Want to argue that there are too many federal crimes on the books? Fine, there’s a case to be made there but that’s a different matter all together.

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  6. Lots of folks carry everyday – like insurance, if you don’t have your gun with you, it’s no good, do why get a carry permit ? The gun goes on my person right after my pants – and it is so habitual that doing so happens with a minimum of thought. I can easily see how it could happen to me, but still my responsibility. For most of the 36 years I worked for the same outfit, no rules governed, except “don’t ask, don’t tell” . The last 5 years Human Resources asshats put out a “no unauthorized weapons” policy , to include bows that the early morning hunters frequently had visible in their trucks after coming to work from the woods. I ignored the rules until retirement, but was fully aware of the workplace consequences(no LEGAL ramifications).
    On the flip side, most people there knew what part of the building to come to if there should be an active shooter event !

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  7. What it will changes is that instead of being surrounded by only criminals having concealed firearms, you will be surrounded buy good and bad people with concealed firearms.

    Seems to me that more even ups the odds.

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    • it’s really not that hard to go through your whole life without ~being caught~ committing a felony.
      most kid stuff should be expunged, outside of the heinous.
      proof of stupid should restrict voting rights? maybe, but not self defense rights.

      i get a lot of mileage out of telling ol’ girl that my vote cancels hers. but it really would be simpler if “she” didn’t get to.

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  8. So the pistol is the same size as the Ruger SR40C/SR9C. I really like that form factor. Ruger’s is literally half way between the G19 and the G26.

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  9. Sam, I think you got you’re pushing left and pulling right correct in the video, but backwards in the text.

    The picture of the tubing hanging out of the muzzle reminded me of my last visit to the range. Everyone gets a chamber flag when checking in. The newbie next to me stuck his into the muzzle (action closed) when the cease-fire was called. I thought about it for a second. That bit of plastic is not going to stop a bullet from leaving the barrel. I told him, “Hey, the action must be open.” The RO inserted the flag into the chamber for him.

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  10. I bought a VP9 on Sunday and for the price I paid ($499) it will probably be the best shooting, nicest trigger, striker fired gun I’ll ever own until I can find a PPQ for that price. I think more manufacturers should offer paddle releases for the mags or at least make the mag release button bigger, I really find it easy to use. Sportsman’s Warehouse has had a few nice sales this Christmas, I’m hoping there will be another before the end of the year.

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    • I agree with you on the paddle release. My carry gun (Kahr pm9) occasionally gets enough pressure on it from my backside while I’m seated that the mag release gets pushed in. When I have it IWB I have to do a quick “mag check” every time I stand up out of the car. This would not be an issue with the paddle system.

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  11. IMO.
    Some fancy-shmancy stock is not going to make you a better shooter.
    It all depends on the barrel, the ammo and your ability.
    IMO.

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  12. got my Armscor GI FS yesterday and broke it in at the range today. shot only 200 rounds, and have scheduled another 150 rounds this weekend.

    wish i knew how to post pics, because i can tell you that the gun’s more accurate than i could be. now, i’m not an expert marksman by any definition, but i was doing 15-shot holes from 7 to 20 meters. trigger was a bit stiff, though. on reliability, gun’s pretty finicky with magazines – 100% reliability with the ACT mag that came with it and the extra i bought; however, with the 2 Pachmayr mags and 2 very old CMCs (which i’ve had for about 20 years, but seldom use), i had several failure to feeds and soon gave up on them.

    this is my second Armscor, and will keep everything stock. i think i’ll be very happy with this as i am with the first one (hi-cap Tac model 1911A2). i’ll just remember to stick with the ACT mags. sorry to hear that you just got a 3-star experience with yours, especially since everybody i know get no less than very good ratings with theirs.

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  13. ITT: a noticeable lack of sympathy for the victims. Also a superabundance of paranoid theories that give political groups way too much credit for being able to coordinate anything.

    Now I realize that the TTAGtards that are spouting off about anti-gun conspiracies are not the majority of readers here…but they sure to make it easy to assume that as a group, gun-owners are completely nuts.

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  14. We must do everything we can to support National Reciprocity.
    Contact these Senators NOW. Leave a message, send and e-mail, use the NRA-ILA site for a pre-formatted text, Urge them all to support National Reciprocity.

    Our legislators count these messages to help them stay in office – and that will strongly influence the way they vote. Please contact them now…

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  15. Speaking of FAKE news …. KRQE – Ch. 13 says NO other injuries as does NM State police.

    The headline source of 15 injured seems incorrect.

    Surely , they will correct it promptly ….. next week.

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  16. Scant information on the fakenewz…mostly about StewartSmalley whining. Greatest sympathy for the victims. Oh and HOME SCHOOL😫😡😖

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  17. Wasn’t the book black widow based on true story of Barbara Allred and her husband in homestead fl and she was imprisoned in Julia tutwiler women’s prison wetumpka al and escaped while on a weekend pass and froze to death on the front porch of old house my father and her husband around 1967( ?) Worked together in homestead fl for usda department of agriculture

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  18. I’m not interested in 1km range and a 24″ barrel looks like, but I’d really be interested in what a 2-400m looks like out of a 16″ barrel. I live on 160 acres in Northern KY, with mostly cleared rolling hills, and taking deer close in, and coyotes at range out of something AR size/style would be nice. Building a barrelled should be relatively cheap and easy. Ammo is going to be the big issue though, 2x-3x for plinking/hunting, would be steep. Like 300blk before it.

    Everyone is looking for that Goldilocks rifle, and right now that’s my old Browning BAR BOSS in 308, cheap accurate, tactitard cool. All of the lego pieces that go in AR would make 224 pretty sweet. Or I could simplify and standardize on 3 calibers and free my life from this addiction.

    Just because I don’t need it, have other stuff that is 90% as good at everything, I NEED it.

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  19. It won’t even come up for a vote. They’ll make sure to pass corporate tax cuts but won’t touch this. They know who pays them, and it’s not you and me.

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  20. I’ve yet to see another gun I like better than my Walther PPQs. I’m ready to get a .22 version next.

    HK is asking quite a bit of coin for this version so it better be better. From the review I’d say it’s average.
    But it’s not below average like evey239 is.

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  21. I was bowhunting in northeast Oklahoma, an area where mountain lions aren’t supposed to exist, when I had my encounter. I was hunting on the ground and had been leaned up against a big tree listening for any steps on the crunchy fallen leaves. I heard what I assumed was a deer walking up the side of a very large river berm.

    It was last light and the critter was moving very slowly. So slowly that last legal shooting time past in the process. It was a full moon so there was plenty of light and I decided to stay where I was so I could at least see if it was a buck or a doe.

    After what seemed like an extraordinary long time I finally saw it crest the top of the berm. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing and the shock was quickly replaced with fear as I realized I was only 15 feet or so from a mountain lion and nothing to defend myself with. Oklahoma doesn’t allow you to carry a handgun during hunting season unless it’s a legal means of taking the animal, which obviously isn’t the case in bow season and there was no such thing as legal concealed carry at the time. I couldn’t nock an arrow without giving my position away and my knife was in my pack on my back. I very, very slowly pulled one of my arrows from the quiver mounted on my bow and figured if things took a bad turn I might have a tiny chance of stabbing it with the arrow if it didn’t break, which was very likely.

    With as little of myself as possible peering around the tree I kept one eye glued on the large cat knowing that the tiniest sound or swirl of wind I may be fighting for my life and at a huge disadvantage. I could see the lion extremely well at that distance and I could hear the low guttural growl like noise it was making as it sniffed the air and moved slowly ahead in a crouched sort of walk.

    How it never smelled me, heard me or saw me I’ll never know but it was absolutely terrifying. I’m not even sure how long it all lasted. Of course many folks didn’t believe me but perhaps after multiple sightings and photos of cougars in the area a few years later they’ve since changed their minds. I also never bow hunted again without a way to protect myself.

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  22. I am already started down the .243 wssm route of getting a longer range/AP AR. You can do more with 2,200ft/lbs than 1,500ft/lbs. I already have 850 cases and they are starting to trickle in more and more. I will only load it to 1800-1900ft/lbs most of the time to stretch the barrel life. The compromise is that I only get 11 round mags and about 70% more recoil. Too each his own.

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    • From the tables I’ve seen .243 WSSM gives 50-150 fps over a standard. 243. Of course with reloading your mileage may vary.

      For me .243 WSSM is too much pain for not enough gain. I prefer to jump up to the 6.5s as my all-around projectile.

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  23. Thrunite tn12. I have one also and it seems like pretty decent light for around $50. I carry my archer 1A with me because it’s smaller, but the tn12 is great in the truck or bag.

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  24. I agree with the author by-and-large that victimless “crimes” should not be crimes.

    Having said that, we do need some minimum standards in any area where large energies or high levels of toxicity are involved. Should the following be legal as long as no one was injured:
    — drive 95 m.p.h. in a neighborhood
    — deploy land mines in national forests
    — run bare wires at waist level carrying 6,000 volts
    — shoot guns at a low angle toward the horizon in a city
    — store tons of explosive chemicals outside in $3 buckets
    — store tons of toxic chemicals outside in $3 buckets
    — fly jumbo jets forever without any maintenance

    Clearly, none of those things should be okay. So, who defines and enforces such minimum standards?

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  25. Surprised this doesn’t happen more often here in NH, many of the areas folks hunt are multi use areas where you can have walkers, joggers , bike riders and Hunters on the same ground up here if it’s not posted you can hunt it and you are not required the wear orange. About a month ago a woman riding her bike was shot at a park that allowed hunting (she survived).. I am a life long Hunter have been at it for 45 years. I would like to see some areas especially in the more populated southern half of the state open to archery only. The rule for the most part is 300′ from a dwelling for rifle or bow, now some of the heavily populated areas do restrict you to M/L , shotgun or bow but given the range of modern shotguns and M/L this should be revised.

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  26. The workers were partially at fault, and they deserve the Irresponsible Gun Owner award.
    They were holding the guns in the middle of the street. There wasn’t a threat. If you were walking down the street or in a lobby and saw a friend coming, would you whip out your concealed carry gun and say, “Hey, check out my new xxxx?” Even keeping it pointed in a safe direction, it’s still not proper handling and could bring brandishing/menacing/public disturbance charges in most jurisdictions. “Hey, I’m carrying a new xxxx, and you need to come over/go to the range and check it out” is the responsible way. “Concealed is concealed” wouldn’t have been a problem, and holstered open carry might not have gotten an uproar (if that’s legal in MN). This is why we can’t have nice things.

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  27. Maybe no one actually skilled in doing the work will apply for it. Then the stuff will never get fixed.

    We are getting close to a time when a majority of skilled workers will be retiring. In urban areas (even in Union shops with apprenticeship programs), very few are taking up the trades.

    Once there is a very great shortage of skilled tradesmen, if they want to carry on the job, they will will be able to make it a condition of them doing the work.

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