Watching videos of robberies in California can be pretty depressing. Not only do we see a breakdown of the economy and the rule of law happening, but it just sucks to see value being taken from people who earned it (shareholders and/or people who pay insurance premiums) to people who didn’t. It’s unfair, it stinks and the people who do it seem to think society owes them luxury items like computers and phones.
But, sometimes I’m a little shocked at the comments I see on the interwebs. Some people think thieves should be shot dead on the scene, no questions asked and no opportunity to drop the property and flee. Others think that the punishments for shoplifting and robbery should be more extreme than you’d even see in red states. I know at least some of these comments are made in jest or out of frustration, but there are people who seem to love the idea of killing shoftlifters, and even openly fantasize about being the one to do it.
But, the reality of pulling a gun out to stop a shoplifter or even just following them can be a lot less glamorous, and two videos I’ve seen this week show us the perils that lie beneath the glossy veneer of hunting down humans.
Let’s start with the death of a shopkeeper in Houston, Texas:
As with all recent violent events, the details are always murky. Everyone’s innocent until proven guilty, so on and so forth. But, from what the witness says, a shop owner chased two shoplifters who stole a bag of chips, and ended up getting shot dead. The killer has been taken into custody, but now black community activists are rallying around the shooter, claiming that he fired in self-defense (a retelling of the events that a black witness disputes).
The store clerk can’t tell his side of the story, but the anonymous witness says that if he had it all to do over again, he’d stop the clerk from getting in his car to chase the thieves down. “It ain’t worth it, man.” he said.
Another attempt to stop thieves at a Lowes store in Massachusetts didn’t end in tragedy, but it easily could have:
Vigilante tries stopping shoplifter. Don’t do this. pic.twitter.com/YwtoWRc12c
— posts you can show your mom (@ohshidt) January 21, 2024
In this case, the guy trying to stop shoplifters was a plainclothes police officer. The police officer says that suspects threatened him with a weapon, which led to him drawing his gun, but from my training, his behavior (getting close-in and trying to pull the guy from the car one-handed) doesn’t seem to indicate any fear of a weapon. But, if that is true, I sure as hell wouldn’t risk getting in close like that.
In this case, you can hear that the driver knows that the cop won’t shoot him, but ends up almost running him over, which could have resulted in a good shoot. But at the same time, it could have resulted in a dead police officer.
The Mill Of Justice
The important thing to keep in mind with situations like this is well-covered by an old saying: “The mill of justice grinds slowly, but it grinds extremely fine.”
The truth is that criminals often get away with crimes like shoplifting. Most people, including store employees, will make no attempt to stop them. This does result in some loss of property and profit, but it usually doesn’t result in people getting killed. It’s not the life of the robber that is protected with this restraint, but the life of the person who would take a risk to stop the thief.
But, don’t assume that this means they should get away with it. People who make a habit of stealing things eventually run out of luck. They leave behind evidence. They get stuck in traffic trying to run away from well-equipped uniformed police. They get hurt or killed by their fellow criminals. Justice won’t find them today, but it almost always does catch up with them sooner or later.
Personally, I’m a lot more concerned with getting home to my family than I am with the chips a convenience store might lose or some tool from Lowe’s. We need to keep our loved ones in mind first, always.
The “activists” who wonder why a store owner would go after someone for stealing a bag of chips are also the ones who complain when these stores close because they aren’t able to make a living due to shit heads.
“WhY ArE ThErE FooD DeSerTs?”
In the end they don’t just hurt the people trying to make a living or some corporate conglomerate but their whole communities when the stores shut down and people without good transportation are forced to go farther to get things.
Being poor is very expensive, and behaviors by the poor exacerbates the effect, leading to a worsening situation for all that live there…
The poor feel entitled to steal from those shops, because the prices there are more expensive than in affluent areas. From the poor’s POV, the stores are stealing from them, so that justifies them stealing from the stores.
So the stores do the only thing they can to survive, close or relocate. Look at how Walgreen’s and other major chains are now walking away entirely from the inner cities. Watch how the blame is laid by the Democrats mis-managing those urban centers on Walgreen’s, for doing the only thing they can. Some stores in downtown San Fran are putting their entire store stock behind Lexan to keep it from being stolen…
The only silver lining on so many stores fleeing San Fran is that Newsom owns all the disintegration, as former Mayor of that one-beautiful city and now Governor over the entire State. If he were to somehow be the one chosen by the puppeteers to replace Joetatoe (and we all know Sniffy Joe is going to be removed), all Trump would have to do during the debates is point to San Fran with a big smile and say, “Who wants more of this?…”
If you had people stealing from you you’d have to raise prices too!
“Some stores in downtown San Fran are putting their entire store stock behind Lexan to keep it from being stolen…”
Have you been to a HomeDepot or Lowes recently? They look like prison camps.
They progressed from magnetic hook blockers for blister cards, to cameras at face level in the aisles with little monitors that BEEP at you to remind you not to steal stuff, to full-on cages for more valuable things like tools…and copper.
The stores are increasingly understaffed, and trying to find help locating a [thing] is hard enough. NOW I have to spend my valuable life minutes (never to be returned to me) awaiting some depressed wage slave to release a product from its incarceration so I can PAY for it.
Can’t go anywhere else as they are pretty much all the same.
Yeah, I fantasize about what could / should be done, but *I* would rather not go to prison. And that’s the difference here. The law abiding get increasingly inconvenienced / screwed while miscreants go free.
So…really…there is a BIGGER QUESTION:
WHO. IS. FENCING. THE. LOOT?
I have NEVER seen that discussed. Or even brought up. Anywhere.
@Lost,
Home Depot gets worse. I seldom ever return anything to any store, but starting a couple of years ago, they now require your DL and registration of your identity into their system for any returns, even if you have the receipt and paid cash. The manager told me it’s company-wide policy to track people for patterns of high return rates, which would indicate a theft ring (steal an item, then come back to return it for cash). I said “Really? I have the receipt right here?” Nope, doesn’t matter. And they have a cap of three returns allowed within any 90 days. What about someone who’s undergoing a major house remodel and is making a lot of purchases with that short time period?
Then there’s the reports that HD is working with electric tool manufacturers to develop electric motors (battery operated hand tools such as drills, etc) that will be shipped disabled, and will unlock only upon being electronically enabled at the point of sale.
Democrat policies in action. Criminals getting bolder and causing us all to pay for it.
Sto!en e!ections matter.
“Have you been to a HomeDepot or Lowes recently? They look like prison camps.”
I have yet to see that here in the Free State of Florida.
Although I stay away from the blue enclaves such as Orlando or Miami.
Same here, alien, I’m in between Tampa and Orlando, and I haven’t yet experienced that in Home De(s)pot yet…
That the sidewalks in downtown San Fran are literally covered with human shit by the homeless is the only thing that’s needed to destroy the governor’s future ‘plans’…
“I have yet to see that here in the Free State of Florida.”
They don’t look like that in my neck of the woods either.
“WHO. IS. FENCING. THE. LOOT?”
Amazon and ebay.
Prices are higher due to lose of merchandise, so they make the difference up by raising prices so the whole community pays the price!
“Just legalized drugs and all the crime will go away.”
Those “activists” are the libertarians liberals and leftists, who believe there’s nothing wrong with stealing private property. As long as the value is under $950.
But honest people are pretty angry about it.
“Have you been to a HomeDepot or Lowes recently? They look like prison camps.”
That is simply the unintended consequences of allowing criminals to steal up to $950 without consequences.
And it doesn’t matter if the libertarians liberals and the left had good intentions.
But they certainly will tell you they had good intentions.
They are what is known as champagne or chardonnay so-cia-lists. They could quote the theory from their rote learning but have never had to experience the consequences of these theories.
Isn’t it obvious why a small 7/11 is more expensive than a large supermarket chain?
The big shop has more storage and can get volume discounts on big purchases. Also the bigger orders have per item a lower transport cost.
The small shop may order a few boxes where the large shop would order by the pallet. The small shop also has to order more frequently and will have higher delivery costs.
Basic economics and business.
Witness: if I could go back, I would have blocked his car with my car. It’s not even worth it.
Moron. Hope about you ask the thieves to f***ing stop stealing. How about you tell the thieves “its not even worth it.”
I hope they rot in prison forever and die of STDs.
Property is not “just property”.
It has value because you need to invest the most limited and dearest resource you have to get property: your lifetime.
So it should be perfetly legal to stop a shoplifter. If they want to respond with violence, overwheling violence must be an acceptable tool of self defense. Stand your ground.
Is this the legal reality? Should you do that in the real world? No.
But ultimately criminals say that your stuff is worth more than their life. Don’t steal and you won’t have to fear arrest or getting hurt over stealing.
Time to restore using deadly force to stop active felonies
Mule: Check your local laws on “citizen arrest”.
In most cases where citizen arrest exists, such is allowed to stop a “violent felony.”
And shoplifting seldom rises to the level of felony.
The problem with that is even if you are in good legally in stopping someone, the law is on your side, and all is good civilly…you now have “wrongful” detaining / arrest / injuries / racism / etc. Lawyer up against the miscreant that has “Soros” on their side.
Even if you win, you will go broke.
Once, your community took care of itself and banished those that transgressed.
Now people from out of state send buckets of money to crush everything good that has been build over millennia.
That’s the thing. The law has always been value over $500 is a felony. So CA changes their state law so that people can steal $900 worth of good per visit without worrying about law enforcement. Is it any wonder all those stores said, nope not us? All these liberal cities are encouraging crime with their soft use of the law. The law only works when the penalty for doing something outweighs the benefit of the action. In blue cities, it always works out for the criminal.
I’m glad that someone else recognizes the value of time inherent in property. This is the very method I used to teach my now-grown children to respect others’ property and efforts, beginning with the simple example of the dinner served to them at home:
CHILD: “I don’t want [insert whatever food was prepared and served on the table].”
I see. Where did that food come from? It was (for most families) purchased from the store. Who bought it? Your mother did. Where did she get the money to buy the food? She worked at her job for her paycheck.
So, your mother wakes up every morning and can choose to do whatever she wants with her day. Some people simply disappear and abandon their families…it happens all the time, unfortunately. Your mother did not do that. She also didn’t go to the nail salon for hours or drink herself into a stupor. Instead, she chose to fulfill her responsibility to her family, and in her case she went to her part-time job after dropping you off at school. She traded several hours (which she’ll never get back) to perform tasks for someone else so she could be paid the money necessary to buy your food. Then she took the additional time to prepare and cook it in the kitchen, and even served it for you so it was waiting hot and fresh at the table. All you had to do was sit down at the table; you gave nothing . Your mother, on the other hand, gave up part of her one-and-only life expressly for you so you can eat tonight, while other kids elsewhere are going hungry and *wish* they could eat.
So if you want to turn up your nose at the mention of her gift to you and disrespect what she’s willingly done, she’s in the kitchen. See how that goes. I’ll be waiting here by the dinner table.
Oh, for the love of…
Really? Can anyone at TTAG tell me what in God’s name in my comment could have possibly triggered moderation purgatory this morning? No URL links, no buzz words, no nastiness. Just a straightforward comment.
You think it’s bad here? My comments on Yahoo pages get moderation every single post. I could literally type the first amendment and it would get moderated. And god forbid you type something that mentions a historical event related to nazi’s. THat’s instantly rejected, unless directed at Trump in which case it is deemed ok. The media and their moderation/fact checking is a freaking joke.
We know what side of the fence W0rd-Press is on. It’s so woke it hasn’t slept in weeks.
I don’t think that God has anything to do with that.
I was just about to post a similar thought, though, as my comment in another thread will not post if I include a link. But mine began with “Jesus Freakin’ Christ … “
Testing. Testing. Ahem. Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.
He can tap-dance?
Can anyone at TTAG tell me what in God’s name in my comment could have possibly triggered moderation purgatory this morning?
Yes. I told you a few days ago. You must have missed my comment replying to you. I listed several unusual moderation triggers. One of them was:
“someone e-l-s-e”
The “religion of peace” knows how deal with thieves. The are very few repeat offenders.
Looks like an opportunity to use one of the Byrna tear gas paintball guns……from a safe distance….but i’m not getting crushed, shot, stabbed at that close range
In real life scenario testing, Byrna guns have failed, overall, 100% to stop a persistent/dedicated violent threat at any distance. They simply do not deploy enough in a concentration quickly enough to affect the threat quickly enough. It hurts to get hit with the ‘balls’ and yes ‘that’s gonna leave a mark’, and on thicker clothing or ‘softer body part areas’ it might not even break open to deploy the ‘contents’ as the surface it hits has to be somewhere near ‘firm’ and/or not ‘energy absorbing/dissipating’.
But even though, there have been some cases where its been claimed to have stopped a threat but did it really? That implied ‘stopped’ needs to be qualified some: If a threat decides to stop and/or goes away after getting hit with a Byrna, good, but it does not mean it can be relied on to actually stop the violent threat that persists and decides not to go away/stop. So it may be a ‘less than lethal’ alternative in that aspect because it relies on the chance that a threat will decide to go away or stop, not on an actual ‘stopping’ ability of the Byrna.
In CA, the OC balls aren’t even allowed to be sold to non-LE here. Only option for a Byrna is their solid-rubber option. Hard pass.
I’m not betting my life on some nonlethal nonsense. We don’t live in the movies. 1 bullet rarely takes out an assailant. Short of head or upper spinal column shots, the assailant will still be able to function even with bullet holes. I actually just saw an old thing on TV about a guy who got pissed off with a local school board after his wife was laid off by the county education dept. He walked in the building and basically took the board members hostage. He shot one of them just as an officer was coming through the door. A gunfight commenced and 18 rounds were fired. The officer made 3 hits on the guy, who continued firing after he went down. If a guy can continue to attack with 3 bullet holes, you think rubber is going to stop him? Or whatever balls? Not a change I’d depend on that.
And if they are hopped up on meth, you can rip their arm out of the socket and it probably won’t register.
There are situations were there is a ZERO pain feedback loop.
It can take five or six cops to restrain a 130 pound dripping wet meth head, and the chances are that ONE of the cops is going to get hurt.
And that’s also a problem with shooting one of the bastards. They can keep on going until the BP drops to the point that the lights go out.
Why do you think the naught-zees were working on chemical ‘enhancements’ to their soldiers?
Well, you get to see it in action on the evening news in the blue cities across the nation.
“Vigilante tries stopping shoplifter. Don’t do this.”
OK, here’s the problem with that: If the man trying to stop the shop lifter had, for example, (using) hands or pepper spray instead of a gun it would have read “Man tries stopping shoplifter. Don’t do this.” or “Customer tries stopping shoplifter. Don’t do this.” or something similar.
But because the man had his firearm out, and although maybe he should not have tried to stop the ‘stop lifter’, but even though its now reasonable today to believe a ‘shoplifter’ will be a deadly force threat (and frequently they are today in over 85% of cases by ‘possession and use of something’ that can inflict hostile deadly force even hands/feet, and see the other part of the article about the bag of chips) – if a person trying to stop the shoplifter has a firearm they are termed, wrongfully, as a ‘Vigilante’ simply for having a firearm rather then the act its self of simply a person trying to stop the shoplifter.
These are not ‘youths’ just ‘acting out or being rebellious’ any more, or even doing it on a dare or just to see if they can get away with it. In over 85% of cases shop lifters, like most all criminals today, are intent upon causing, and will inflict, harm if the opportunity presents its self.
Little things like stole groceries or supplies are chipping away at civilization as we know it. Eventually, when its gets even worse (as I see no upward trend right now of it getting better), we’ll look around and ask ourselves how we got here.
It starts with petty crime, but with lack of enforcement of laws that would deter such things, I fear that soon we will end up with a society not worth passing on to our children. And maybe that’s the goal…
The force of law is the only thing that makes it work. When DA’s refuse to prosecute crime, the force of law no longer exists. With force behind, a law is little more than a statement on paper. Fear of the force of law is why people don’t commit crimes. I want the money, but I’m not interested in doing the time for bank robbery would be an example. Liberal states have opened the flood gates to chaos by allowing petty theft of nearly $1000 a day in CA. And they wonder why people and businesses are fleeing the area en masse.
“…by allowing petty theft of nearly $1000 a day in CA.”
An ex-co-worker/pal just got laid off…hopefully short term. Maybe. Filed for unemployment. He will get less than $1000 A WEEK for a limited time…IF he looks for work.
Remember though, $1000 in product is the price tag, NOT the fence payout.
^^^ “WHO. IS. FENCING. THE. LOOT?”
I have always wondered that.
A couple of years ago, I personally witnessed a group of five older teenagers walk right past the checkout area and out the door, their arms clearly full of snacks and drinks. They were looking around and laughing while openly talking about taking what they wanted without paying.
I followed them out to their truck they came in and video recorded them as they hopped in the cab and bed, focusing on the driver’s face, the vehicle license plate, and the direction they departed. The yutes were gracious enough to look at me and give the camera the finger and a few expletives between laughs as they drove away.
I walked back into the store – and I’ve patronized this grocery store since it was constructed almost 20 years ago – and informed the manager that I had video available if he wanted to provide it to Deputies to accommodate a criminal report. He just looked at me and gruffly said, “What do you expect me to do?”, as if I were a nuisance to his busy day. I said “Well, by doing nothing, you’d be letting five young men continue to think theft is a viable option to acquire what they want, and some of them will progress to harder crimes as they grow older.”
He shrugged and walked off. Didn’t care at all. I was livid.
Edmund Burke, people. Edmund Burke.
Do you still patronize that store?
It’s closest to my home, so yes, but that manager no longer works there.
The Left acts like it’s virtuous to allow lowly young thieves to steal. By allowing that, they’re actually hurting those people. It’s like when the townies come to the mountains and feed the bears despite there being signs everywhere explaining that a fed (by humans) bear is a dead bear.
Well, according to the smartest people in the room. The libertarians say the jails are filled with nonviolent criminals. And they have said nonviolent criminals should not be locked up.
And stealing is a nonviolent act.
It was called ‘the broken window theory’ years ago..
We live in an age where you can be beaten to death while any onlooker will at most actively video record the event on their phone, not to aid the authorities, but to post on their social media.
It makes no sense to insert yourself in these situations.
You are right, Murcek, because sadly, in the case of Daniel Penny, when you try to come to the defense of others (in his case, a deranged homeless man) you end up ruining your own life when you protect others. We live in a screwed up society when protecting yourself (and/or your property) becomes a crime worse than what the criminal is doing.
Something to consider: This country was built, and made great, by people who were willing to defend their property from thieves. This country seems to be sliding downhill because we rely on a police force that is unable and/or unwilling to defend property.
I certainly don’t advocate shooting children stealing candy, but we can discuss the wisdom of shooting adult shoplifters. When I watch the videos of flash mobs sacking stores of high value goods, I see many adults who should be shot dead.
I still think we need to bring back public stocks, and put a set in the parking lot of any store having the problem.
Lock them up for 24 hours, let them shit and piss in their clothes plus provide a bucket of rotten fruit for people to practice their throwing skills…
So, how much more are legitimate shoppers having to pay, for items, to cover the losses suffered by vendors due to shoplifting. It really comes down to being everyone’s business. How much of a danger are you willing to put yourself in?
Hilarious. And the leftists over at the New York Times wonder why there are “food deserts” in major Democrat cities. Nobody wants to take the risk of opening a business if the melanin-enriched native inhabitants rob the store or burn it down in a fit a pique.
Wall these cities off, seed them with small arms and drugs, set up cameras, and pay the national debt with the pay-for-view fees. Act like animals get treated like animals. It would be worth doing just for the lulz.
“Food deserts” are all a part of the plan. Once the capitalist store owners are run out of the city by criminals, the government can come in and open their State ran food stores for the poor masses.
Food purchases allowed only with government issued cards that have balances based on your social credit score and DEI value to the State.
Stores run by local governments are already being planned. Will they actually bother putting prices on anything or just make it free for all?
Already proposed by the newly elected Mayor of Chicago. It’s all part of Anarcho-tyranny. Use crime and social dysfunction as battering rams against the law-abiding populace to destroy the infrastructure they count on and, eventually, their morale. Force them to give up their freedoms in exchange for some semblance of order. Right out of Communist Revolution 101.
sieg heil.
Debbie, you really are (consistently) tiresome.
That said, I will defend you right to free speech.
The only real way to stop the thieves is to lock the door and let two people shop at a time and let them out when they finish paying, but no they won’t allow that. The other is the law needs to be changed where the use of deadly force is allowed and start shooting the shoplifters and suspects who commit property crimes. Bring back the old days and soon, after the smoke clears, it will stop.
“The only real way to stop the thieves is to lock the door and let two people shop at a time and let them out when they finish paying, but no they won’t allow that.”
That’s exactly what Wal-Mart did here in central Florida when hurricanes hit and the region was without power. Wal-Mart corporate trucked in generators on flatbed trucks so the stores had power to keep the food from spoiling. Oh, and only 50 people at a time were admitted inside at a time. With instructions to shop and leave as quickly as possible.
It worked…
We could return to the pre-supermarket model of customers presenting a list and your order being filled and passed to the cashier.
That’s pretty much the way it worked in a hardware store I was in down in Costa Rica. They helped me find what I wanted, then sequestered the item until I had gone to the cashier and paid for it.
Went back with the slip and picked up the item.
I’m not pulling a gat in a shoplifter. Or chasing them(I’m old). Break in my home or attack me & mine all bets are off. Where’s that backhoe?!?
The blind greed of the Far Right makes them do things no sane person would do. In today’s world everyone is carrying a gun and getting killed over a bag of chips only makes sense to the greed mongers of the Far Right who squeeze every penny that passes through their hands so tightly the penny screams for mercy.
Here we had the Darwin effect, only the fittest survive and the graveyards are full of the Far Right that fought over a penny in their pockets.
A smart man would have followed at a distance, got the license plate number and called the cops. The surveillance camera would have convicted them.
As I mentioned before in my area a man ended up being shot and crippled for life because he tried to beat the shit out of a boy who smashed his $10 mailbox. To the homeowner a $10 mailbox was worth getting shot for.
Far Right, lol. You troll!
As in most democrat-run cities, the cops would do nothing (as they are instructed by their superiors), further emboldening criminals. The fact that you would still think that means that you have been very sheltered thus far, with your head in the sand as to how much of the US is changing for the worse.
darcydodo…RE: “Here we had the Darwin effect.”
What we have here is more of your slanderous marxist democRat dodo. You and your democRat pals removed Content of Character and replaced it with demoCrap only to use the blood from ignorant useful idiots to advance Gun Control as seen in IL, CA, OR, MA or any state where self serving democRats run the show…apologize azzhat.
Dumbass. You went so far to the left that you are now the far, far right.
If you had a brain you’d take it out and play with it.
From the one who is very generous with other people’s money and property.
I dare you to take people’s reparations from a small business owner. FAFO.
“The blind greed of the Far Right makes them do things no sane person would do. In today’s world everyone is carrying a gun and getting killed over a bag of chips only makes sense to the greed mongers of the Far Right…”
Comedy gold. Who was so cheap that they stole a bag of chips? Who was willing to kill for it? Wow…
More likely the perp devalued their life to that of a packet of chips.
A lot of risk for very little reward.
Cue Chris T saying shoplifters or anyone on his property should be shot dead on site. That dudes just itching to blast somebody
And car thieves. But he did specify hanging them, not shooting them.
to alien
That is correct. People who steal cars should be hanged in public. Just like horses were hanging in public.
And yes, I’m very serious.
And an elephant (Murderous Mary) once, but not for theft…
to AQ
Yes, that’s correct. Properly owners should be able to kill people who steal from them immediately.
And if a good samaritan wants to intervene, that’s a good thing. And they should not be arrested.
That’s property owners and store employees, should be able to kill criminals who steal dead on sight.
Paul said “I certainly don’t advocate shooting children stealing candy…”
What does Chris say?
“That’s property owners and store employees, should be able to kill criminals who steal dead on sight.”
No exceptions, no “drawing the line.” Amirite?
Just because you’re too gutless to maintain a civil society doesn’t mean the rest of us want to swim with dregs. Put the shoplifters in the stocks and cane them. Train them like a disobedient dog. You don’t touch a hot stove after you get burned once.
Of course, branding also works. Three strikes and then you get hung. Very eco-friendly with hemp rope.
Fyi For Everyone
Children have been used as soldiers since at least World War 2. The germans and the japanese both used children as soldiers. And american GI’s killed many of them in combat.
You kill. Or you will be killed.
But criminal children are very different. Really???
So it’s different when an 11 year old kills someone or commits a car jacking?
Just as adults used children in war time in combat. Now you have adults using children to steal for them. Because society sees children as innocent. And society says you can’t harm a child who steals from you.
It reminds me of the story of “oliver”. Also, the “Artful Dodger”. So I guess “Fagan” has been forgotten now.
So now you’re supposed to allow that child to steal and murder if necessary, to successfully steal from you.
It would be better if you were to leave your wife a widow.
It will be better to leave your children fatherless. Instead of you killing that 11 year old who has a gun on you.
It would be better to allow children to shoplift a small family business into bankruptcy. Destroying that family business owner financially.
Putting the mother and father and their children in jeopardy. Possibly losing their home. And destroying their financial credit history.
Children with no father and no self-control. No discipline. And no example of what it means to be a good man. The Christians said a father is necessary in the home.
But the libertarians, liberals, the Left, the hom0 sexuals. And the @theists all disagreed with the christians.
So it has become acceptable for children to steal and commit other crimes, including rape and murder.
Because society refuses to hold those children accountable. And the society refuses to hold the adults responsible as well.
Btw
You don’t want to know what I want to do to the adults, who enable this child criminal behavior.
I used to say, “We don’t catch everybody every time, but we catch everybody eventually.” If it’s a non-violent property crime let them go. Especially if it’s not your property.
I ride a motorcycle. Every day. All year round. People are trying to kill me. Every day. All year round. Yep, I’m carrying. Yep, I just let it go; until one of them shoots at me…
Perhaps Jenn would be happier writing for Cosmo or similar. Is not adding much here.
neiowa…Imagining Jennifer whipping your pompous azz adds a lot.
If I had a store in a black neighborhood, I’d turn it into an old style general store where everything is behind the counter and you have to pay before you get it.
Or just order through an app and pick it up.
Places like CA, NY and IL allowing cash free bail, no prosecuting petty crimes, allowing theft of $900 a day without penalty, the list goes on. They have created a perfect society for criminals. And while doing so are trying their damndest to take away your right to own a gun for self defense. It’s a double whammy in order to try and make you lean on the gov’t for protection. Until we right that ship, we can’t right the fleet.
He fall down…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQf7LV-Mqm0&feature=shared
Sensiba writes like a coward.
This is why the Founding Fathers didn’t let women vote. Or most men. Instead I have idiots voting how to spend my money, or weak women crying about cash bail for the poor convicts. They empty the jails then complain about not feeling safe.
Money is a proxy for the hours of our lives spent earning it. Those hours of our lives can never be replaced.
If you take someone’s life even seconds before their last breath, it is murder. Taking irreplaceable hours from the middle of our lives is also a species of murder.
This is a just reason to use deadly force against thieves.
And most criminals require 24×7 monetary support to house and feed them even before incarceration. And their crimes eliminate the taxpayers that pay for their subsistence.
Honestly, what are we losing by eliminating them? Nothing.
Theo,
I call it counting heartbeats, as in ‘just how many heartbeats did I just waste waiting for….’
You only get so many before your dirt nap.
The author of the piece is correct, but not for the reasons she thinks. It is not advisable to use deadly force against shoplifters, even though they are a species of parasite that literally suck the life from your body. Do not use deadly force because the perps are a favored class of the Federal government and the nation’s elites. Your punishment will be severe; you will not only be persecuted, but lose your livelihood. This happened during the “mostly peaceful” riots of 2020 that caused billions of dollars damage; any shop owner foolish enough to defend his or her livelihood against the rampaging hordes was destroyed, and in some cases these individuals took their own lives because of it.
The time-honored American tradition of dealing with the effects of diversity is to move. Demographic information for any community in the United States is readily available; take advantage of that resource and relocate. Yeah, it’s a pain in the butt and it seems like you’re giving up in the face of tyranny, but it is currently the only legal means of dealing with the problem.
Carry tasers in the store and shock the schiff out of em!
All criminals are not leftists, but all leftists are criminals.
The underlying reason stores in Florida don’t look like the ones in San Franistan is this: Florida has adequate self-defense laws.
Attempted arson / arson of an occupied dwelling, can be met by deadly force in Washington State.
The little bastids holding lit Molotov Cocktails should have had their brains scattered all over their crowd mates.
That is what would happen if they tried that where we live.
Maybe that’s why they don’t try it here..
The libertarians liberals and the leftists are frauds. They always been frauds and liars.
They are comfortable with the state killing to protect the state property.
And they are against private law abiding citizens killing, to protect what they own.
President Eisenhower was correct. The enemies of the United States are atheistic in nature. And those enemies are both foreign and domestic.
The 3 L’s only care about getting their leg@l butt, s3x and drugs.
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