The post-Katrina gun confiscations were met will no end of howling about the obvious violations of Louisianans’ constitutional rights. And given the much more orderly response in Houston (where no one’s guns were grabbed) we won’t be seeing any more door-to-door “emergency” firearms confiscations. Right? Guess again.
The U.S. Virgin Islands Governor has signed an order allowing the seizure of privately-held guns and ammunition. Not only that, the measure also allows the taking of other private property deemed “necessary to protect the islands.”
In other words, they’re not stopping at taking US citizens’ guns and ammo. They may also take your fuel, shelf-stable food, water and generators, too. Not to mention any other private property/survival supplies they deem critical. All to give to those who did not prepare for a storm that’s been approaching for almost a week
While this proclamation would likely never survive a court challenge, super-hurricane Irma will likely arrive before anyone could write, much less file a court challenge.
In the aftermath of Irma, islanders are going to need their firearms to protect against looters. St. Thomas isn’t all beaches and tourist hotels. Thirty years ago in my college days, my Spanish class teaching assistant, who came from St. Thomas, described the ghettos there as drug-riddled cesspools of violence.
This seizure order should serve as a cautionary tale for Virgin Islanders. Even worse, for those who have prepared for emergencies, this makes agents of the government almost as much a threat as looters.
The Daily Caller has the story.
U.S. Virgin Islands Gov. Kenneth Mapp signed an emergency order allowing the seizure of private guns, ammunition, explosives and property the National Guard may need to respond to Hurricane Irma.
Mapp signed the order Monday in preparation for Hurricane Irma. The order allows the Adjutant General of the Virgin Islands to seize private property they believe necessary to protect the islands, subject to approval by the territory’s Justice Department.
This unsettling news should provide yet another reason to keep your own emergency preparations fairly low-key.
US Virgin Islands Seizing Residents’ Guns, Ammo Ahead of Hurricane
So that’s where Mayor Nagin ended up. I wondered what became of him after New Orleans.
EDIT, just joking, he’s mopping floors at Club Fed…
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/09/ray_nagin_once_mayor_of_new_or.html
That certainly serves him right. Hopefully he’s getting the “American History X” treatment in the prison shower too (“That was sweet, boy!”).
The only way this stops is the impeachment of elected leaders. Or you have a Bundy Ranch type organized resistance.
See the Patriot Fire team example in S. O. T. G. podcast.
The next earthquake in California, this will be your future. Confiscation. But don’t worry you can still walk around with a well fitted strap on dildo.
Impeach which elected leaders? What good would that do?
The leviathan is so big that most of the people creating orders and carrying them out are unelected.
The underlying issue is we’ve created a really big hammer…now we’re just arguing over who controls the hammer and who gets smashed. Period.
In order to effectively change anything one must first deconstruct the hammer.
Constitutionalists want to go “back to the Constitutition”. I would argue that either the document was powerless and so we have arrived here despite it or, more likely, we have arrived here precisely because it was the blueprint to build said hammer.
“I would argue that either the [U.S. Constitution] was powerless and so we have arrived here despite it …”
That is exactly correct. The U.S. Constitution really is simply a piece of paper with a recorded ideal and hence it is utterly powerless. It is up to We the People to enforce the Constitution. Fortunately, the very same Constitution enshrines provisions for We the People to enforce it.
Here! Here! Right on point uncommon_sense! The Punisher sounds like a friggen commie that seeks to destroy our nation, not protect it. Would a piece of work.
Damn Right!!!! NO ONE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CONFISCATE GUNS OR AMMO!!!!! These elected officials need to take a step back and review history!!! The Brits tried it at Concord,now these NWO A holes think they can do it now. Best think again!!!
Tar, feathers, tyrant. Some assembly required.
This, Lather, Rinse, Repeat as necessary.
The Punisher says:
September 5, 2017 at 12:48
Impeach which elected leaders? What good would that do?
The leviathan is so big that most of the people creating orders and carrying them out are unelected.
The underlying issue is we’ve created a really big hammer…now we’re just arguing over who controls the hammer and who gets smashed. Period.
In order to effectively change anything one must first deconstruct the hammer.
Constitutionalists want to go “back to the Constitutition”. I would argue that either the document was powerless and so we have arrived here despite it or, more likely, we have arrived here precisely because it was the blueprint to build said hammer.
Punisher
It is said of Mr.Franklin as he exited Constitution hall a woman remarked ” what form of government have you give us?’ to which it is said Mr. Franklin is to have replied “A Republic If You Can Keep It.”
If our Liberty is to be guarded jealously,we have done a rather poor job of keeping it.
” more likely, we have arrived here precisely because it was the blueprint to build said hammer.”
And we should trust nazi worshipping losers like you for that?
After antifa, jihadis and commies, we deal with the likes of any who would tear our Constitution apart. Get your head straight pal, or wrap it in body armor.
Well, of course those government
thievesagents have to confiscate the people’s firearms and ammunition — to ensure that the people cannot stop those governmentthievesagents from taking all the rest of their private property.But calm down everyone, this is totally legitimate because:
(a) local government has a compelling interest
(b) this satisfies due process since the duly appointed/elected governor wrote out the order on a piece of paper.
Er, uh, maybe that is not legitimate.
Of note at the end of the order there is a line about how all pay and benefits for federal employees during the emergency are guaranteed by the government there. But it doesn’t say anything about Payment to the citizens whose property gets seized
“U.S. Virgin Islands Gov. Kenneth Mapp signed an emergency order allowing the seizure of private guns, ammunition, explosives and property the National Guard may need to respond to Hurricane Irma.”
If the National Guard “needs” citizens’ private property, then they aren’t going to be any help anyway.
Sounds like the Gov needs a permenant vacation.
Pres. Trump could always take control over the VI National Guard and order them not to take property.
The armed people of the Virgin Islands need to team up and resist this confiscation. It’s not like the Virgin Islands can expect federal reinforcements from the mainland.
Great, John Brown lives and has a keyboard. You first bud.
Coward
Coward? No… But if you wish join Mr.Brown on the gallows; we do have more blind folds available. There is a right response to this and a dumb emotional one. Your on the wrong path.
How bad does it have to get? What’s your line in the sand? Or are you willing to accept any and all violations of your rights without ever standing firm and saying, “No more.”?
Yes, standing on the front lawn in camo gear yelling , “This is Sparta!!!!” To the ATF seems like a much better problem solver……. Before reaching for the ammo box as a solution, there are some others you use first. Like the soapbox, ballot box & jury box.
And you are going to use the ballot box or soap box to stop a rapist or home invader? Interesting
As far as SHTF scenarios go, this is closest I’ve seen to a legitimate need for armed insurrection in the US.
You have a government willfully planning to seize arms in direct contravention to the 2A and 4A. Furthermore, they’ve claimed the power to sieze whatever they deem necessary, with no means of recourse or compensation for the afflicted.
To top it all off, they plan to do this while a very powerful hurricane is barreling down on them, and in the aftermath of said catastrophe.
Congress passed a law after Katrina that was signed by W. and makes it illegal to confiscate citizen’s weapons during a natural disaster
Gonna be honest here, don’t care what Big Brother thinks. If they ever roll up for confiscation (and I didn’t have time to bury them for the future) I’m going down before I turn them in. I don’t care who, what or why. That’s one thing I simply won’t do.
I think I saw this movie….. Santa Ana stills wins and John Wayne and Richard Whitmark still die. But it makes a nice song…..
Santa Anna didn’t win. He lost the war and was captured by Sam Houston. He then went on to lose again at the hands of the US and some soon be very famous American generals.
There, fixed that for you.
Alternate fix: “This seizure order should serve as a cautionary tale for ALL AMERICANS.”
You say laws have been changed to prevent this? Read the National Security Act details…not only can they take your guns and ammo, they can pretty much take anything and everything, including our tractors, other equipment, seed, harvested crops, our cattle, our chickens, our guineas (if they can catch them), our boat, our generator, etc, etc, and that’s probably after they kill our dogs.
Not legally, any law that says so is null and void. The problem is we’ve lost the will to resist.
You should be reminded that every time Obamamonkey was sworn in, the first executive order he issued to himself allowed him to declare Martial Law, anytime for any reason, peace, war or natural disaster! And it prevented Congress from acting for the first 6 months! He would take control of EVERYTHING OWNED BY ALL AMERICANS! Food, guns, transportation, ammunition, housing, everything!
Now MAPP’S actions actions have placed the lives of his people in serious jeopardy. The National Guard is well armed above the average citizen. So there is no need to confiscate firearms and ammunition. Food supplies they are required to ask for with vouchers given for amounts and costs. Generators, the same. The biggest problem will be the criminal element that will attempt to loot, rob, kill for what they want. The citizens must depose Mapp by direct action and install a temporary governor that will work for everyone. There is NO TIME for elections as some bozos have suggested!
Burley says: “Not legally, any law that says so is null and void.” Sorry, Burley, but you’re incorrect. Maybe it SHOULD be illegal, but it’s not. See ” EXECUTIVE ORDER NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS”. “The signing of the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order grants the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Labor, the Department of Defense and other agencies complete control of all US resources, including the ability to seize, confiscate or re-delegate resources, materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary…” Obama updated it in 2012, but the original was signed by Pres Bush, so it’s supported by both political parties. We are aware of it because of all the press it got in the farm journals in 2012.
I was told that NRA endorsed, faithful right winger Donald Trump would be elected and my gun rights would be protected. Wait… what’s that? He’s not really conservative nor a gun rights protector??
What does this have to do with trump? Not saying he’s a conservative but it seems your scorn is misplaced in this instance.
I haven’t verified it, but people have claimed that the colonies have no ‘states rights’ because they aren’t states, and supposedly POTUS can overturn anything his governors do.
But, one might recall that Candidate Trump was a BIG fan of police powers when he detected right wing dislike of BlackLivesMatter. Much rhetoric about throwing the Constitution out the window and unleashing the cops on them. I’m not convinced rampant Naginism would bother him in the slightest.
No no no, Lionsfan has it right. Trump is in the Virgin Islands right now and pushed for this. Wait. Someone here is telling me he’s in Texas helping with the hurricane and has had no contact with the Governor of the Virgin Islands. Oh well, Lionsfan has it right anyway. It’s time to shove our head up our ass and blame Trump anyway. Maybe this fool will quit licking Hillary’s C*** and come back on to back his stupidity up.
Sigh….. What not blame the bird crap on your car or not enough sausage on your pizza on the Potus too? Have a beef? Take you with the Gov. Of the USVI.
CNN tweeted yesterday that a “panel of expert” agrees that it was “unethical” for Trump to wear his white cap with USA emblazoned in it in Houston because it is a “campaign hat.” https://twitter.com/CNN/status/904177212408127488
Just called congressman, both senators and governor to condemn this action and bring Mapp up on criminal charges if he goes through with it. What else should I do?
“What else should I do?”
Spread the word far and wide, I suppose.
OK, he signed the order *allowing* seizure, are they actively confiscating them?
Reason being, I’d wager their police are kinda busy right now prepping for landfall.
It’s *possible* they don’t intend to seize *now*, but are using the signed order as a ‘tool’ in the toolbox *after* the storm passes. With Katrina the seizures happened *after*.
At that point, it would be awfully convenient *wink* if the citizens had lots of terrible boat accidents and homes destroyed en-mass and can’t locate their registered guns.
On a personal hurricane note, I’m not exactly thrilled the latest forecast track puts the storm about 10 lousy miles east of me when it passes:
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/basicwx/day0-7loop.html
EDIT – Here’s a gorgeous earth surface winds viewer. Check out the effects of the hurricane.
Grab and drag the globe around and zoom in as you wish.
It’s kinda mesmerizing:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-73.81,20.07,747
I’d tell you just how mesmerizing it is but I can’t. I’m mesmerized.
And Mike Betts wins the Intertubez today!
I don’t think think it’s missing Pasco county at all.
Told you I had a bad vibe about this one.
“I don’t think think it’s missing Pasco county at all. ”
In 2004, 1 day, as in 24 hours before landfall, Charlie was predicted to be in the mouth of Tampa Bay. Had it done that, Pinellas County would have been underwater. Downtown Tampa would have been underwater, TECO prepped downtown Tampa by cutting the power in the below-streets feeds.
Charlie ignored the prediction and hit Punta Gorda instead.
It’s a week out, don’t get an ulcer.
Yet…
Oh yea – I know. I’ve been on the Gulf coast since Camille.
It has a long way to go.
Geoff PR,
It looks like Irma is going to hit south Florida as a strong category 4 hurricane: it will be utterly devastating. I want to see how those high-rise buildings in Miami remain standing when Irma hits them with 145 m.p.h. winds.
If I lived in south Florida, I would be prepared to live self-sufficient (without public electricity, natural gas, communications, nor municipal water) for three weeks — with extensive flooding on/near my property.
Ever since Andrew over 30 years ago, buildings in Miami/Dade County have been built to survive a Cat 4 hurricane. Those hi-rises will do fine. Steel re-inforced concrete walls, impact resistant windows or hurricane shutters designed to survive a Cat 4 and roofs secured to the walls with steel tie-downs, along with everything above the 1st couple of floors above the storm surges make them very likely to survive with minimal damage.
The one good thing about this storm is it happened 1 week after Texas got slammed.
People are motivated to prepare for this one, we hope…
We got power back on October 30th, 1989. Hugo made landfall at midnight, September 22. That was a long 40 days.
>…this makes agents of the government almost as much of a threat as looters.
Almost? No, this makes them by far the greater threat. If you resist the illegal activity of looters they may retreat, and if not and you kill them in the course of the defense you may not be imprisoned for doing so. If you try to stop the agents of the government doing the looting, they will not retreat, they will attempt to murder you (yes, murder, they have no legal authority to be there in the first place,) and if you somehow manage to fight them off you will get life imprisonment.
The only thing I can say in the favor of the government’s criminals is they’re (probably) not going to rape you in the process.
No, not rape, just kill you because “they fear for their lives”. Don’t point a cell phone at them or pick up a golf club . If you ask questions, they’ll probably just rough you up for not immediately obeying “lawful commands.”
After Katrina, I thought I’d never see this again…but, I’m wrong. Govt is govt, ain’t gonna change. Think we live in a democracy? Look up the meaning of “plutocracy” – that’s reality.
It depends on who’s president!
Just so those unfamiliar with the Virgin Islands gun laws know: They are very restrictive.
We have to get a coupon signed by the police commissioner, sit a firearms course, and renew our license on each weapon every three years.
Despite that we have the highest rate of murder per capital and… well, now we have nonsense like this. On the eve of a storm no less, which means there’s no way to challenge it.
It seems it’s never enough to appease the political class.
Wow… that, for me, would be the tipping point where motherfuckers got shot.
If a government agent appeared at my door to claim my property, I would politely inform him that I had everything I needed to hopefully weather the storm, and that his assistance was not required. If he attempted to cross my doorstep, he would not be leaving alive.
Yep. If the government ever come to confiscate my guns, especially when I need my guns the most, I’m not letting them.
This is why you keep a gun or two plus ammo, etc. off site but still reasonably accessible. A stash gun(s) as it were.
My family has a house in the keys. I am flying out tonight or tomorrow to try to save as many cars and boats as I can back to the mainland. I stashed a snubnose 38 at the house the last time I went down there for vacation. I hope I won’t need it but I’m glad I did.
Fl. Gov Scott has declared an emergency, and mandatory evacuations for the Keys have been announced.
Concealed carry permit-free in the ‘GunShine State’ is in effect… 🙂
Taurus is selling + P rated Model 85 .38 snubbies for $209, plus there’s a $40 rebate from Taurus.
Where???
For the love of God, somebody proof-read these before they get posted! ugh!
Its like reading a middle-school book-report.
But wait! They assured us that gun registration would not lead to gun confiscation. I feel like I have been lied to and that politicians can’t be trusted.
This is not surprising and the reason was offered in a previous hurricane related post. It’s because the US Virgin Islands are ruled and populated with “Non-Cajuns”.
I guess I would be a dead mofo. I would never give up my guns without a fight.
Sorry to say, but if you confiscate lawfully owned arms right before a break down of law and order you probably deserve to get them lead first.
And over on FB Gun World there’s a retard insisting Katrina gun confiscation NEVER happened. And calling everyone(else) trolls. Duh…we have GUN rights mainly against the gubmint. How that works in the VI is beyond me…
(I wonder how he explains the video of the NOPD going house to house to seize firearms. The video I saw was of them taking a .38 from an elderly black woman who was otherwise completely defenseless.)
The Red Coats now wear the star and stripes? Amendments 3 and 4 were written in the context of a people who had soldiers of the Empire constantly grabbing whatever they needed, as if the farms of citizens of the colonies were just supply depots. That’s not something we should ever want back, even in the midst of a natural disaster…because what happens in emergencies eventually continues on in peace time.
Once you get away from the tourist areas, St. Thomas is Chicago with (usually) better weather.
A good friend was a prosecutor in the USVI. He was ordered by the Feds to leave the island because he was prosecuting a local drug lord and the drug gang didn’t like it. The Feds advised by friend that even the almighty G could not protect him. My friend and his wife immediately exited St. Thomas, post haste.
The thing about this gun confiscation is that not one single gun will be confiscated from the bad guys who run the show down there. Every piece will be owned by good people for their own protection.
Well, kiss another illusion goodbye. If the G couldn’t protect a prosecutor, how can it protect the mundanes?
I’ve always wanted to go to the islands out there, but you have explained why the US Virgin Islands were never on the destination list. What I don’t understand is why the government can’t do anything about it. Hell, these are islands after all. Where are the bad guy gonna go when the police come knocking on their door?
“Where are the bad guy gonna go when the police come knocking on their door?”
Pay them. Plata o plomo.
You want the answer for how this stops? It’s simple, you don’t comply with the demands of this order that has no legal right to be made. There is no clause in the constitution that says in an emergency the bill of rights can be suspended.
This order itself violates the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Amendments.
So, by not complying does that give the Gestapo on the Virgin Islands the right to shoot you down because they have to follow orders? Nope, you have the right to defend yourself from this tyranny and that’s why you have the 2nd Amendment. Use it.
If these gov’t paid thugs come to your door in the Virgin Islands, tell them to leave and if they don’t, blow them away through the door until they’re either all dead or have run away like the scared piggies they are.
Your cure is as moronically stupid as the disease. There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with this. Starting the next Ruby Ridge in St. Thomas, is a very wrong way to go.
As opposed to what, a long slow battle in the courts that ruins your life and makes you an example to others to never try to challenge unlawful orders again?
Angry, festering, POS evil (D) problem.
Kenneth E. Mapp, Governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands is a POS (D) from Brooklyn [hydra-anus of POS (D)].
The Order is worded in such a way as to indicate that if the local NG needs weapons to carry out their duties, they may Appropriate them from civilian sources. (Though I am unsure why they wouldn’t have their own NG firearms….)
It doesn’t indicate that they may be seized for any other reason.
Calm the f*** down, read the ACTUAL Order, and learn common English grammar. THEN discuss the implications.
http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NATL-GUARD.pdf
And I’m not saying that it isn’t problematic, just that you are on a wrong tangent here.
Fortunately you are not the type of coward I would want to share a foxhole with.
Get off you high horse POS!
That’s what I was pointing out above.
It doesn’t say they *will*, it says they *might*.
The good thing about post-hurricane carnage and destruction is…
Things can get ‘lost’… ‘misplaced’…
The smart VI residents will take advantage of the catastrophe…
Incorrect. The order is phrased that they can proactively seize things to accomplish the mission of public safety. The defined mission is “public safety.”
Lesson number one is: if the government gives itself waffle language, that language will be bent, twisted and extended to the maximum possible to accomplish their real goals, whether stated or unstated.
In this instance, they are authorized to seize firearms and ammunition in the name of public safety, not because they are in any way lacking firearms and ammunition. Nice try though.
Right! It’s not as though the evil POS satan’s blue house of (D) don’t use any in-road, camel-nose-under-the-tent, boil-the-frog-by-degrees, attempt to snatch your guns, and it ain’t as though ballerina POS (D) Chitcago mayor Emanuel ever said “never let a crisis go to waste”.
Did they limit the confiscation of arms and ammo to only that of commercial sources???
No? OK then FU.
This country was founded on an FU to the country with the biggest Navy, and one of the biggest armies in the world. All over a 3% tax (after other similar compounding sleights). Our first battles began over a grab of powder stores. Powder “magazines” are not as-needed anymore, or else they’d have an easier grab as a target.
But no less a battle.
PavePusher says: September 5, 2017 at 15:47
The Order is worded in such a way as to indicate that if the local NG needs weapons to carry out their duties, they may Appropriate them from civilian sources. (Though I am unsure why they wouldn’t have their own NG firearms….)
It doesn’t indicate that they may be seized for any other reason.
Calm the f*** down, read the ACTUAL Order, and learn common English grammar. THEN discuss the implications.
http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NATL-GUARD.pdf
And I’m not saying that it isn’t problematic, just that you are on a wrong tangent here.
You clearly are not familiar with emergency orders, nor VI code. What this said explicitly is if they feel an legally armed civilians anyway an impediment to their duties they can sizes any and all legally owned firearms. It does NOT say if they run out of guns and ammo, it simply says if it is required to maintain order.
It thereby allows proactive seizure.
You do realize it says they can also control alcohol beverage, do you think that is in the code because the Nat Guard needs to be drinking booze during an emergency?
Times like these really make me miss the Dutchman. His spit and venom would be a real boost to the right people. Shame his kid is such a wuss.
Well, if We the People demand government agents, and Politicians receive Capital Punishment for serious Constitutional-Bill of Rights infringements. Then I vote execution by ” Coconut Crabs ” ! Becuase it’s a tropical islands of course……
Any guardsmen that follows this order deserves a traitors death.
Too much Hoppe’s 9 and a keyboard is a dangerous thing.
How much Hoppe’s do you use?
Didn’t realize that stuff was good for cleaning keyboards too!
Anti second amendment “ban all guns” snowflake’s tears are better than hopes — and you are providing plenty 🙂
Well, did anyone here really expect anything different? When you let the government license and regulate a fundamental right, it ceases to be a right and becomes permissive. USVI is a gun grabber enclave like NY, NJ, CA, IL, etc.
For the gun owners there: take note. This is your warning. You are seeing Page 1 of the government’s crisis handbook. They will attempt this by executive order on the pretext of “public” safety (note, not “your” safety or the safety of your friends and family) every single time.
It is highly unlikely you’ll get another warning before it happens in your enclave. You need to support pro-Constitution and pro-personal rights candidates, support similar legislative groups and vote against gun grabbers and oppose this kind of action every single time you can.
Kenneth Mapp is black. The majority of virgin Islanders are black. He wants whitey disarmed so his homies can rob, rape, and murder them.
Wild guess? You own a tiki torch store & drive a Dodge Challenger?
Wild guess. You are one of the antifa scum looking to be memorialized? (we can take out antifa after or before the nazis, commies and jihadis, take your pick)
Ah, no……. I dislike racists & Hippies equally. Sorry, you have missed on this profile.
I’m with you, tiger. Nobody can reasonably call us bigots if we don’t like ANYBODY equally!
The Democrats are always saying “no one wants to take your guns; we only want to register them to keep them away from the bad guys.” They never admit that the bad guys are Constitutionally protected from having to register their guns and they never admit the bad guys would simply smuggle in their guns the same way drugs get smuggled into the country or steal them from legal owners. Even the citizens of otherwise leftist New York and Connecticut had the good sense to refuse to register their “assault weapons” everyone with an ounce of honesty will admit that registration leads to eventual confiscation. I hope the all good people are able to escape before the hurricane comes.
Didn’t FEMA declare preppers a resource for exploitation?
If I recall correctly, John Boch is on Trump’s 2nd Amendment Team. Shouldn’t you be whispering into his ear about how this is illegal and action must be taken against the Governor?
If, after the storm, I hear about gun confiscations, I would want to hear the news that the Marines landed on the Island to arrest the governor and the National Guard.
You ALARMIST moron. It says the govt MAY take many things to protect the island not guns.
Asshat get it right
I suggest you read the code. It says they can. When they can they will, see New Orleans. You had Ray Nagin (disgraced democrat mayor) using same language to seize firearms from law abiding legal owners. No because authorities needed them
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170905/nra-condemns-us-virgin-island-firearm-confiscation-plan
FAIRFAX, Va. – The National Rifle Association on Tuesday announced its strong opposition to the order signed by U.S. Virgin Islands Governor Kenneth Mapp allowing the government to seize personal firearms and ammunition ahead of Hurricane Irma. The NRA is prepared to engage the legal system to halt the unconstitutional order.
“People need the ability to protect themselves during times of natural disaster,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action. “This dangerous order violates the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens and puts their lives at risk.”
After Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin instituted a similar order and began confiscating legally owned and possessed firearms. The NRA intervened in federal court and was able to halt the confiscations and obtain an order requiring the return of the seized firearms. The organization then backed federal legislation to prohibit the confiscation of legal firearms from law-abiding citizens during states of emergency. In 2006, President George W. Bush signed this legislation into law.
“When 911 is non-existent and law enforcement personnel are overwhelmed with search-and-rescue missions and other emergency duties, law-abiding American citizens must be able to protect their families and loved ones. The NRA is prepared to pursue legal action to halt Gov. Mapp’s dangerous and unconstitutional order,” concluded Cox.
Digging a hole then stacking and burying your firearms and ammo deep isn’t going to help in the Virgin Islands with local government compiled lists of gun owners and heavy winds/storm-related erosion. I hope the island’s law-abiding firearm owners have good hiding places ie. cinder/concrete blocks stacked and cemented perfectly so the holes “line up” and plenty of cosmoline to ward off saltwater damage.
This unconstitutional order, whether it’s “executed” or not might turn out to be a blessing in disguise for our side. If challenged in court with an “emergency hearing” and “overturned” all the better but if not when the law-abiding citizens hear “the knock at the door” and open it to find no doubt “masked” (like AntiFa) badge-wearing tyrants demanding they turn over their legally acquired “personal property” (guns/ammo, hell even food/water/medical supplies/generators) and realize the extent to which the island’s governor, a Democrat, will go to seize their lawfully acquired firearms and if/when they are left “defenseless”, unable to protect their homes/family/possessions in the face of robbers/looters the territory may swing “Right” electing a TEA Party-type Republican in the next election, someone who respects the Constitution and the 2nd & 4th Amendments.
We can “Make The Virgin Islands Great Again”!
How? Like Rahm Emanuel says “never let a tragedy go to waste, exploit it for socio/political gain”. We MUST publicize this egregious tyrannical decree to the fullest, be sure to visit all the island’s newspaper/TV network’s websites/Facebook/Twitter and Weather/Storm Update pages, post memes depicting the governor as cruel “villain”, photoshop his image to include violent thugs, portray him as a heartless bastard, an accomplice enabling criminals while leaving the law-abiding, the single mother, the elderly, the disabled, with nothing with which to defend their homes and their children/grandchildren, oh “the children” (like “the Left” we always have to “play” the “children card”), we MUST play upon peoples fears, it’s what the Democrats do.
Part of this article made me think of this:
What do you call a former hurricane that has dropped below tropical storm status? Remnants of X.
What do you call a former hurricane that has dropped below tropical storm status… and threatens the one place national reporters live? Super storm X.
This is the result of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation entering into a settlement agreement with New Orleans, Ray Nagin, and Eddie Compass after thousands of firearms were stolen during Katrina. Unfortunately, under our current system of “Judicial Supremacy” this isn’t a violation of the 2nd Amendment because the U.S. Supreme Court has only held that 2A protects a person’s right to own a handgun in his home for self-defense. That’s it. They have never held that you even have the right to take it out of your house.
However, Governor Mapp and those who follow his order is in violation of 42 U.S. Code § 5207.
42 United States Code § 5207 Firearms policies
(a) Prohibition on confiscation of firearms
No officer or employee of the United States (including any member of the uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under color of Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of any Federal official, or providing services to such an officer, employee, or other person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, may—
(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure of, any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under Federal, State, or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with Federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation;
(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by Federal, State, or local law;
(3) prohibit possession of any firearm, or promulgate any rule, regulation, or order prohibiting possession of any firearm, in any place or by any person where such possession is not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State, or local law; or
(4) prohibit the carrying of firearms by any person otherwise authorized to carry firearms under Federal, State, or local law, solely because such person is operating under the direction, control, or supervision of a Federal agency in support of relief from the major disaster or emergency.
(b) Limitation
Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit any person in subsection (a) from requiring the temporary surrender of a firearm as a condition for entry into any mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation during a major disaster or emergency, provided that such temporarily surrendered firearm is returned at the completion of such rescue or evacuation.
(c) Private rights of action
(1) In general
Any individual aggrieved by a violation of this section may seek relief in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress against any person who subjects such individual, or causes such individual to be subjected, to the deprivation of any of the rights, privileges, or immunities secured by this section.
(2) Remedies
In addition to any existing remedy in law or equity, under any law, an individual aggrieved by the seizure or confiscation of a firearm in violation of this section may bring an action for return of such firearm in the United States district court in the district in which that individual resides or in which such firearm may be found.
(3) Attorney fees
In any action or proceeding to enforce this section, the court shall award the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney’s fee as part of the costs.
(Pub. L. 93–288, title VII, § 706, as added Pub. L. 109–295, title V, § 557, Oct. 4, 2006, 120 Stat. 1391.)
We can’t legally say what many of us are thinking.
The good news is this blatantly unconstitutional act will be struck down. The NRA will then have even more precedent to stop this sort of action in the future. What we need is Federal jail time for any government official who attempts this again. Until government officials have judicial consequences for attempting such blatantly unconstitutional action they will just keep doing it.
THE US CONSTITUTION DOES NOT APPLY TO UNINCORPORATED TERRITORIES AS PER THE INSULAR CASES OF THE EARLY 1900Ss.
The Constitution does not follow the flag.
Seems like The Virgin Orerlords are willing to throw as many individual islanders under the storm surge as it takes to preserve … what, exactly?
Well I was in Law enforcement for 33 years and am a big supporter of the 2nd amendment and own many weapons. I will not be giving mine away. If the police or military need my assistance I am a patriot and I will help, but only in what is lawful. Just like if they succeed in illegally removing our lawfully elected president who broken far less Federal and constitutional laws as his predecessor. In that case I will be with my fellow citizens defending our Republic hopefully with our military and police. Many people are unaware that Obama wrote numerous executive orders allowing the President to declare martial law and seize whatever the government needs from guns, to cars, to food, to people, to putting them in supervised work groups and so on. I waa hoping that President Trump would rescind these orders, but I have not heard about it yet and I am a major Trump supporter but I feel that is too much power in the hands of one person no matter who they are. I would rather the orders be rescinded.
Anyone showing up with whatever ‘claims of authority’ to take me and mine’s shit is a looter. Straightforward and simple. Go F yourself. Are you that determined to lose your life, over taking something you have no right too? I guess we’d find out.
If they are in fact Virgin, they are about to get their cherry busted.
https://invertedlogicblog.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/political-opinions-24-freedom-over-safety/
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