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The forgot to mention the very “menacing” bayonet lug.😃
grenade launchers are more scary
So… apparently every rifle with a pic rail is now an “assault weapon”… What a load of crap. I’ve been trying to get my hands on an M203 for several years. They’re legal in Illinois, but I can’t find anybody with the right SOT to transfer one to me.
Grenade Launcher? Fun to shoot when I was in the military, but I imagine that it’s a bit hard to find in the civilian world. As are the grenades they launch.
The M576 is a buckshot cartridge that chambers in the M203 and M70 grenade launchers. It has twenty 24 grain pellets.
If one was so inclined, they could have a local machine shop machine a few 40mm brass shotshell hulls and make handloads for them. Also, I’ve seen pictures of inserts that chamber in a 40mm launcher, but they’re a “beehive” round and are loaded with .22 LR. The hammer his the dummp primer and trasmits the force of the blow to this plate that ignites the rimfire .22 bullets and the bullets go down individually rifled barrels.
Probably not very accurate, but the .22’s will be stabilized enough to act like a giant shotgun round out to 50-75 yards.
Not saying it’s worth buying a 40mm for, but it’s something that doesn’t require a transfer tax for each round.
It’d be a lot easier to say what’s correct about it:
“AR – 15 shown”
Done.
I saw Marc Thiessen this morning discuss this, though I haven’t read his article yet. And I think I agree with him.
Yes, law makers should write a very limited and precise bill that bans bump-fire stocks. And if I had my way, it would simultaneously eliminate state bans on magazines over 7 rounds, and unreasonable restrictions on ammo purchases.
Do not let the ATF run amok and become yet another unelected legislator. Haven’t we learned from the abuses of the EPA, the California CARB, etc.?
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Marc also said something insightful. The lawmakers are tripping all over themselves so as to avoid taking a stand on the issue. They’d love to pass it off to the ATF. I was only slightly surprised to see Dana Loesch rapidly obfuscate the issue, again… taking no stand. Dana is, after all, a paid advertiser pitch woman.
The rule of law is a bulwark against tyranny? Bullshit. If tyrants are making the laws, then the rule of law IS tyranny.
You know who had great, strong, well-enforced laws? Nazi Germany. Soviet Russia. Fascist Italy. China has a very orderly and law-oriented government. Great Britain was very interested in the rule of law; everything it did to precipitate the American Revolution was duly enacted through established legal authority.
The list could go on. As a small-time example closer to home, there’s the egregiously named NY SAFE Act. But the NYT looooves that one. It’s not tyranny we’re doing it to you for your own good. (Right… And if you jump off the top of the Times office building at the next full moon, you’ll fly right up to the stars. Why don’t you have your editorial board give that a try?)
Psssssh…. No vert grip? No laser range finder? No flashlight? Clearly not a real enthusiast.
You had me at USA Today…. barf!
They are changing forward pistol grip to grenade launcher these days? Man I remember when the forward pistol grip was super evil firearm accessory, I guess times have changed. Ands that is a damn long flash suppressor….
Instead of a grenade launcher, can I get an RPG?
I’ll repeat what I’ve said before in other threads…
People need to be reminded that this is a one-off event. It’s likely that bump-fire devices have never been used before in ANY crime, let alone a mass attack. I’ve read several articles today where police in several cities were asked if they had ever seen a bump-fire device used in a crime and the response has always been no.
These devices are TOYS. They are intended to enable people who just like to shoot fast to do so. They are intended to SIMULATE full-auto fire for people who have never fired and can not obtain or fire full auto weapons.
In fact, for MOST collectors of full auto weapons, full auto weapons are also TOYS. Shooting them is FUN. A few people may feel they are better protected in self-defense terms with a full auto weapon, but that is probably a small
percentage.
Full auto weapons are not terribly more useful in combat than semi-auto weapons. You just MISS FASTER! They are only useful for suppressive fire which is sometimes necessary in combat and for putting a LIMITED number of bullets faster on target than can be achieved with multiple trigger pulls, i.e. the “three-round burst” which is the way most soldiers are trained to fire.
The fact that VERY few crimes (by criminals as opposed to terrorists) are committed with full auto weapons is a testament to how these weapons are almost always used by civilians for legal purposes, i.e., entertainment and collecting.
A number of people are suggesting that the argument is that because of this ONE OFF incident, that such devices should be banned because “no one needs them.” The “no one needs them” argument has been used against semi-auto pistols and semi-auto rifles and is of course the main argument against high-capacity magazines.
Well, people don’t “need” cars that go faster than 55 miles per hour. People don’t “need” millions of things. Freedom means that people can obtain stuff they don’t need but merely want for whatever legal reason they want it.
What happens when the next mass attacker commandeers a dump truck, a city bus, or a tractor-trailer and drives into another mass concert and runs over fifty, a hundred, two hundred people before he can be stopped? Do we ban those vehicles because of a one-off incident? Or even multiple incidents? So far, vehicle attackers have merely attacked pedestrians on the street or small crowds. A vehicle attack on a mass event would be FAR more destructive.
We don’t ban an object which exists because of people’s desire for it because it is used in a one-off criminal application.
People also need to be reminded that bump fire devices do not change a semi-auto weapon into a full-auto weapon. The definition of full-auto is where multiple bullets are fired from one trigger pull; semi-auto is one bullet per trigger
pull. Bump fire equipped guns are STILL semi-auto – they just fire faster than the human finger can usually pull the trigger, or with less fatigue.
As someone noted, it won’t be long before 3D printers can produce the components for bump fire devices which can then be easily assembled. Banning them will be useless. That ship has sailed. They are not rocket science to re-invent or build by anyone with the skills.
There is no doubt in my mind that this incident will be repeated at some point in the future, possibly with more preparation than the current shooter. In my considered opinion, there will be no way to prevent it no matter what
regulations or security precautions are taken. Even the approach some police departments are now considering to place snipers as part of security at mass entertainment events will not be completely effective.
As a meme I developed for computer security goes: “You can haz better security, you can haz worse security. But you cannot haz ‘security’. There is no security. Deal.”
People who who propose banning an object because people don’t “need” it are part of the problem. That includes the NRA who apparently is caving in in order to avoid further negative press. I get that people want to “make a deal” but there IS NO deal to be made. Ban one object on this basis and you’ll end up with no Second Amendment eventually. You will NOT be “horse trading” to get full auto weapons or suppressors or anything else. Anyone who thinks the Congressional Democrats (and equally Republicans) are going to do that source of nuance are deluding themselves.
It’s that simple.
I’d like to see the same graphic with a milk carton, paperclip, bubble gum, or a democrat as the central object.
Uh, mags can hold less than 5 rounds and more than 100?
I suspect they purposely chose the words “flash suppressor” instead of “flash hider” to run up fear and misinformation that a type of suppressor was used (though calling it a flash suppressor still correct).
I bailed on the NRA and Guns & Ammo. There are many great women out there and they both picked Dana Loesch to be part of their organizations. If they need people of such low character, then they don’t need me.
Looks like hes rocking a sweet dissipator upper. I wonder if he had to enlarge the gas port to make it run right
My wife has a prescription for diazepam, to be used on an “as needed” basis—for muscle spasms. And hey, it works. Funny, our shooter was found at times lying in bed moaning…Is it at least conceivable, given the MINUSCULE amount of information released (and which, I submit, is intentional in order to craft a narrative) that he had bad back? And maybe, just maybe, mind you, he gave up his pilot’s license since his medications prevented him from passing the medial exam?
Without the doctor’s records as to why and how much was prescribed, all of this gross speculation is just that: GROSS.
A ban might be necessary, only to save stupid gun owners’ wallets from themselves. Sheesh.
Barrel shroud – futuristic advanced material heat dissipation and isolation device, allowing the mass shooter to fire repeatedly without having to wait for the barrel to cool down.
Triangle front sight post – makes the assault rifle distinctly and instantly recognizable, striking paralyzing fear
Black paint job – ‘cuz gun owners are heartless racist fascists
actually that makes your odds of death by gun about 1 in 1433 unless im doing math wrong or you can die of multiple causes. 1433 (7+7+20+28+30+30+43+53+73+84+95+96+114+127+256+370) people, 14 deaths. now i am kind of curious how the other 1429 people in this study died. or are they they the control group and they get to live forever?
Well, what was The winning entry?
Rumor has it that antis are running up the prices on these auctions–and then will be defaulting on the purchase, which will take the item off the market for a considerable period. Lest that’s the rumor over on TFB.
Him,he’s the Dude that said y’all were the “Rusty zipper gang”
Expecto parabellum
“You’re wife will love it, and best off all, this one doesn’t take batteries!”
….When everyone here is done “doing the right thing for society” and disarming…Will TTAG be renamed to the “Truth About Kntting and Crocheting…” Just like how things are in the UK…?
No. For all their faults, the NRA knows how to wield their influence in the halls of Congress better than any other lobby in DC. They get more results with less money than the top 20 lobbying groups (by funds), and there is no other pro-RKBA group that swings a club of their weight.
Oh god a silent dust cover. Can’t wait till that’s on the list of things to ban. I can see it now. He had a modified dust cover that was completely silent! The children!!!
I know how dangerous my guns are, so I keep them away from bright light, won’t let them get wet and never feed them after midnight.
So far, so good.
The solution is not to use youtube. Dailymotion, or vimeo, or elsewhere.
If the top 250 of gunvideoproducers would move all their gunvideos to say Full30 and delete their account on Youtube, their subscribers would simple follow them to Full30. Once it is known that there’s no gunstuff on Youtube anymore but there is on Full30, problem over. Fvck YT. Vote with your feet, producers and viewers.