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The ATF’s bump stock ban went into effect yesterday. And as we noted, Texas retailer RW Arms had 60,000 Slide Fire bump fire stocks in their inventory.

Wanting to avoid felony charges, they turned them in to the ATF for destruction. Here, courtesy Mrgunsngear’s Facebook page, is video of the nauseating process.

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  1. Proposed 25 September 1789
    Ratified 15 December 1791

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Bill of Rights
    Trials and Takings

      • “…nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…”

        The bump stock ban was passed by a federal agency, not congress, therefore the “due process of law” requirement has not been satisfied, because federal agencies cannot pass laws, which makes the ban an unconstitutional taking regardless of whether it is for public use or not.

      • If an action of the Federal government denies the owner of property the full use and value of that property, it is a taking. In this case it is Regulatory, but with a highly questionable “Due Process of Law” and absolutely no “Just Compensation”. The regulating agency had previously and on multiple occasions ruled that under the Law created by Congress, these things were legal and unrestricted. Suddenly, with no further Due Process of Law, under the order of the President (who does not make laws in our Constitutional Republic), that agency has invented new law and new potential crimes.

        So yes, the Federal government has taken at least $12,000,000 in property from a business and rendered it valueless, without due process of law and without just compensation.

  2. Proposed 25 September 1789
    Ratified 15 December 1791

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Bill of Rights
    Speedy Trial

  3. Proposed 25 September 1789
    Ratified 15 December 1791

    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Bill of Rights
    Trial by Jury

    • Of ammo! Wakka-wakka! Just trying to make light of *the single biggest* gun grab in American history, is all.

      • All those machine guns destroyed by America’s law enforcement by order of the (Republican) President.

        • I suppose he kept his promise, after all; “The 8 year assault on your gun rights has come to a /crushing/ halt”

      • @barnbwt is a Soros Troll, yesterday he spoke of replacing Republicans with HOSTILE dems. Just ignore his foolishness and anti-Trump rantings.

        You fly back to Soros, little barnbwt. Fly, fly, fly. Fly, fly, fly.

  5. Hello!? Hello!? People! Our Goverment isn’t working right, nor is our Justice system…Our Constitutional-Bill of Rights are being sidestepped into Authoritarianism! Hello?! People! Doesn’t anybody see 👀 problem that NEEDS serious correction before the consequences become dire…..

    • I hear ya Aaron and am reading your posts. I agree 110%. We are being fleeced by the snowflakes of the Left. Mind you, I never liked bumpstocks personally and most of the people who have/had them proclaimed themselves to be “operators” (what a crock) I think this is taking things too far. Will BATF be reimbursing RW Arms for product bought in good faith?

      • “Snowflakes of the left” my ass. This is Trump, plain & simple. Oh, and lots & lots of our fellow gun owner “friends,” too. Second only to the “stupid plastic toy” crowd are the disingenuous “they’re dumb & I don’t really care or want one, but I’m gonna say they should be protected so people don’t call me anti-gun, even though I just five seconds ago wrote that I think they’re dumb & don’t really care about them, and am careful to mention my negative opinion of bump stocks every time anyone mentions that they should be protected.” There have been a whole shit-load of /those/ folks this past year.

        Meet the new Fudds, same as the old Fudds.

        • Amazing, isn’t it? Decades later, it never stops. The item or specific liberty changes but there are always people ready to rationalize the tyranny away.

  6. Proposed 25 September 1789
    Ratified 15 December 1791

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Bill of Rights
    Cruel and Unusual

  7. Proposed 25 September 1789
    Ratified 15 December 1791

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Bill of Rights
    Unenumerated Rights

  8. I’m sure the compensatory check the ATF cut to RWA is in the mail. Be there any day now, I’d guess…

    • They will probably get one without to much of a issue. Best guess is that is only about million in inventory. I can’t believe that they paid all that much from slidefire. Would not be surprised at all if they were on consignment. They would have made off like bandits if they could have convinced Washington State to buy them.

        • Made in China for about $15 each ……. a $1,000,000 buyout would give RW a 10% profit. They would probably be HAPPY to have the feds buy this junk.

        • If there is a buyout. And even if there is, it’s still wrong.

          You know the gov’t is going to do the same thing to you and me a few years down the road: “You can’t have that AR-15/semiauto/whatever-it-is-we-don’t-like. Don’t want to take what we’re offering for it? Fine. We’re happy to put you in jail or shoot you.”

    • Just as soon as those stocks are melted down into Rubbermaid containers & Trump fails to be re-elected, his master-genius plan’ll all come together. Just you wait.

      • At this point I would’t want to wager that Trump loses in 2020.

        Not because he’s a great candidate in many ways , personally overall I’m kind of agnostic on the guy, but because the Democratic Party’s primary is already a dumpster fire and all the DNC/MSM/candidates/other Democrats seem to be able to do is throw more gasoline on it and stare at the pretty colors.

        • Yeah, 2020 is going to be confusing and ugly. In ‘16 there was still a fairly united left vs right paradigm. But in 2020 I see the rabid dems really shooting eachother in the feet, while at the same time Trump shoots himself in the foot with this.

          The left always appears to us as a solid block, but if you spend anytime among them or reading their sites you find certain things like how the Bernie bros *really hate* the I’m with her crowd. So I see it as up in the air.

        • Some moderate will emerge from their pack to rally the troops, like it always does (even Hillary was the ‘moderate’ of that witch’s brew), and between the half million bump stock owners, and full million new felon voters in Florida, there’s really no path for him to win through the usual swing states. I’d be worried but…fuck, at this point I think our rights are safer with a Republican Senate (which we’d in likelihood still have) and a Democrat president. The red-team actually fought gun control when Obama was in power; now they impose it unilaterally and hold hearings on new gun control laws in congress.

          I’m almost to the point of treating our stupid federal elections as a “prisoner’s dilemma” and voting pragmatically to keep our leaders off-base. I’d love to be convinced otherwise (if our beloved anti-gun president’s SCOTUS picks had paid off, I’d be convinced already, yet we’re still –you guessed it– waiting, left with only promises and magic beans) but I don’t see it happening in the foreseeable future.

        • “Some moderate will emerge from their pack to rally the troops…”

          I rather doubt this is the case this time around.

          I’m not going to bother with a complete explanation going back to Obama and the way he shifted the party but I’ll say this: This time around the base has a serious litmus test, well really a series of them, only those that have a passed them can win a primary and still maintain party support to any great degree. However, passing those tests to get party support alienates everyone else.

          Identity politics is a double edged sword and I think the Democrats are about to find that out.

        • Trump will win because he said he would win. 4 more years of Our second amendments safety, might not have fully semi automatic firegunms with a clipazine, but Our second amendment is safe.

      • The democrats would be shredding all semi-automatic, pump and lever weapons by now. Be happy with what you still get to keep.

      • @barnbwt, Soros must pay you by the number of comments;

        “…Snowflakes of the left my ass. This is Trump, plain & simple.”

        and…”& Trump fails to be re-elected, his master-genius plan’ll all come together.”

        And…”Some moderate will emerge from their pack to rally the troops, like it always does (even Hillary was the ‘moderate”

        AND…”at this point I think our rights are safer with a…. Democrat president”

        Trump has done an incredible job as president, so we are to ignore the 100 great things he has done and only focus on the one negative?

        Time to go away Soros clown.

    • the guy really had no choice but to comply…they knew he had them…tracking them down one at a time may b a more laborious process…

      • They’re dumbasses. They should have shipped them to the White House and dropped them on Trump’s lawn with a big “fuck you.”

  14. Aren’t we lucky to have a president that isn’t a communist and won’t aim government guns at you to confiscate your property or means of business?

    Oh, wait… Donald Trump is a Republican?! Ahem! Er…yes… I believe I misspoke. Let me try again.

    Thank you so much for fucking over law-abiding businesses & citizens, AND the constitutional system, Mr. President. I hope we all bent over far enough for you.

    • He could have just confiscated them and sold them to Saudi Arabia. Muslims need bump fire machine guns too!

      You can’t make America great again by tossing made in the U.S. products in the chipper. You have to sell them. Every good business man knows that.

      • Once those items are paid for what happens to them, from a purely economic perspective in terms of the actual sales, doesn’t matter.

        You could argue that it creates an unnecessary and forced misallocation of resources after the fact but, strictly speaking, even hardcore supply siders don’t much care at that point. Money was spent, the company benefited and if that can’t continue the people who created that company will use the resources they picked up to create something else.

        Of course the distributor gets screwed on this one but that’s a side note. They should have made better choices on what to distribute obviously, just like drug dealers bad choices = bad outcome. Social currency is worth far more than real currency. Everyone knows that.

        [Yes, for the easily triggered out there, that last paragraph was sarcasm.]

      • Good point; he has no compunctions about arming dangerous foreign shitheads with full-on machine guns, that have a roughly 1:1 chance of being our enemies in the next decade, civilian shitheads, even. Oh, and while the border remains unprotected, no less!

  17. But…… did RW have to turn in all their rubber bands and belt loops too?
    Just as effective at wasting ammo…..

    • And yet, far more dangerous due to the reduced control vs. bump stocks, and also specifically exempted from the rule change because…well, they never really explain /why/ they are exempt, to be honest –but you can trust them when they say there’s no way they can ban belt loops, rubber bands, or all auto-loading firearm actions for that matter, just because they are all capable of bump-fire. Seriously, you can trust them; after all, they said bump stocks weren’t machine guns over two-dozen times, over the span of more than a decade!

  18. Really not a whole lot of security around cases and cases of unregistered machine guns. For some reason I doubt they would transport thousands of full auto m-16 that way…….it is almost like they know they don’t pose a threat. Hmmmm

  19. That actually was pretty stupid because if the Courts toss the ban the taxpayers are going to get the bill. ATF would have been smart to stick them in with pending the outcome of legal action but nobody ever called the ATF smart

    • Even if they keep the ban, there are lawsuits over the compensation portion. Part of the rejection of FPC injunction was that compensation would be a remedy for the destroyed/confiscated stocks if they did win. This ignores that SFS is out of business, so new stocks can’t be bought.

    • I agree, especially if you can avoid business records by not selling them. That said, they probably wanted to avoid any liability.

      Would have made for great PR in the gun community, though.

    • I would have put up a table out in front of the mall and given one to everyone who walked by.

    • So, you think they lied on their deposition to the ATF, and probably insurance brokers & tax preparers as well? WTF would they possibly lie about this?

      Some people…

  22. Ohhh no no no
    I would have not done it that way…none of that big grab by a claw and drop on mass into the grinder….easy way

    NOPE –what I’d MAKE THEM DO…is unbox EACH ONE, count it…then fill out BY HAND a blank receipt I brought, then they can RECOUNT it…check it again to the paperwork 60,000 SEPARATE hand done pages and then they can drop one at a time into the shredder, while signing off AGAIN on EACH ONE! WITH WITNESS, badge number and ID numbers of said officers…all hand done on EACH step!
    Then they can or can not copy each page for their records….I keep the originals!

    Make it hard and costly in man(‘bitch’ in ATF terms) hours

    • I’d have dumped them on the lawn of the local FBI branch building the night before with media present, and paid a fine for littering (and)

      That, or had a Smokey & the Bandit style convoy of trucks go up to DC with the cargo a couple days before, have the company join [FPC] for 1$, and enjoy the temporary stay granted by the DC judge for the time being.

  23. I think I would have to send the ATF a copy of my invoice from when I purchased the along with storage and a 20% markup in a bill form stating they were legal when I purchased them and tell them this bill is payable within 30 days before carrying it to court

  24. It will be interesting to see the comments here when a liberal president is in charge 2 years from now.

    All of you will reminince about the good old days.

    If She was president every model and type of gun used in Vegas would be now banned. We are lucky that didn’t happen because Her supreme court would have backed a ban.

    • Why not grow a pair? No one’s even threatening to hang us. It must just be your destiny to be browbeaten. How sad.

      • I’ve got a nice pair already if you must know. I’ve also got a sense of where this is all going. We are seeing the reaction to successful gun rights all over the country and it’s coming down to a SCOTUS decision or two, an election, and maybe a new congress.

        We need to keep winning, they only need to win big once.

  25. They should have GIVEN THEM AWAY to their customers with every order…. Bunch of morons giving in like that and destroying them versus giving them away…
    It’s all good tho, I “destroyed” mine yesterday lol

  27. They did this video as a foreshadowing of what they want to do to our guns.

    The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

    Stay Frosty Friends.

  28. Cost of Bumpstocks, 600,000. Cost to taxpayers to recycle 660,000 and counting. Pisses me off I tell yah.

  30. And where was the Conservative Court during all this? Believe not what a politician or court says but believe in what they actually do or do not do. And here the conservative court did nothing and the President certainly did.

  31. It’s plain that all workarounds around the NFA will be on the chopping block as soon as a Democrat president gets elected.
    This horrible precedent will be used to ban binary triggers and pistol braces.
    People of the gun no longer have a home in the republican party .
    Let’s hope the tea party comes back and Trump joins the tea party and we can get rid of all the rhinos

  33. you would think with the pending legislation the ATF would not have destroyed them, but held them until disposition. But, what do I know.

  34. I predict that you will start to see new videos of people bump firing their weapons, as an act of civil disobedience.
    Not just the videos that are 5 or 6 years old.

    The rich will always have legal machine guns. But no inexpensive rapid fire weapons for the poor. And how will you resist government tyranny with only bolt action rifles, double barrel shotguns, and black powder weapons???

    Assuming the government lets you keep even those arms.

  35. Good riddance. They are just a useless gimmick attracting the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Why do people feel the need to play army-why don’t they enlist if they are so passionate? A bump-stock, really. No good for target. No good for hunting. It is just nothing more than a toy-GUNS aren’t toys!! Hypocritical to legitimize gun ownership with the sport hunting and marksmanship position on one hand, and then support cheep-thrill products that contradict this ideology. A purist in the American tradition of gun ownership is just as likely to lose his rights because of the beliefs of idiot gun owners as he is from political ignorance. Perhaps conceding to ‘smart’ legislation can help the overall image of the gun enthusiast and securing our rights. Intelligent compromise is the key to good negotiation.

    • YOU….. YOU ARE THE ENEMY…
      YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF LIBERTY AND FREEDOM AND YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO FALL WHEN THE SHTF…

      THERE ARE SOME THAT CAN’T HANDLE FREEDOM AND NEED TO BE LED BY THE HAND…. DON’T BE CHILD…. BE A MAN…

      YOU DON’T WORRY ABOUT WHAT I “NEED”… KEEP YOUR SEDITIOUS THOUGHTS TO YOURSELF AND DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT BRING YOUR ROT-GUT IDEOLOGY AROUND THESE PARTS EVER AGAIN!!!!!

  36. Y’all trip over your Fudd feet, talking about plastic paper weight trash when they are passing red flag laws. You back stabbers attack POTUS. Grow up and look at what your state legislature’s are doing. Since Trump took office Society has been growing and prospering.

  37. just 3d print PLA drop in auto sears.. they work better anyways and look like cute little keychain bottle openers.. also free..

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