Why Americans Are Buying Guns: Illinois Has Released Nearly 4000 Prison Inmates Since March 1

1. Its almost like the author doesn’t belive in the rehabilitative power of the justice system.

   • I think most people are on the fence about how much the system actually works, if at all. It’s up to the individual. But I agree, assuming all these people deserved to be locked up and judged by their crimes is pretty fucking stupid. Some crimes are obviously worse than others, and would take a whole lot of convincing to prove you regret raping someone… but others can be mistakes very easily. Think of it this way, if you ever had to defend yourself, but the court didn’t see it that way, you’d be a name on this list with nothing more defining you than what the court charged you with. INB4 all the keyboard warriors talking about being able to prove themselves and somehow being the best self attorneys (mostly people who have never been to court for anything – so they have no fucking clue how hard it can be).

     • Your problem is you think too much. If you actually knew what you are talking about you wouldn’t have to think. I bet you’re the kind of twerp who gets pulled over by a cop and the last thing you are going to do is call the cop a tyrant or anything demeaning. Ain’t dat right peewee?

       • I don’t get pulled over. The “No officer, I am here to confiscate yours” gadsden bumper sticker tells them all they need know. That said, nice try. U mad? Maybe not, but you are certainly naive and a facebook troll.

     • I had to check the list a second time and I guess we don’t read the same charges. That or your definition of “mistakes” is very different than mine. Armed robbery, aggravated assault, poss of cocaine, meth, heroin, aggravated arson, aggravated criminal sexual assault, home invasion causing injury, hijaking….what possible “mistakes” do you see in that roster? A mistake could be a teen taking a ride in his friend’s car, there is weed somewhere in the vehicle, nobody takes ownership for it…that could be a mistake, being young and stupid. The felonies listed above, not really. Hey sorry I almost burned you in your house, my bad I thought nobody was home. All that meth or heroin I was carrying, I really thought it was hydroxychloroquine to treat covid19, honest mistake your honor.

       • I dont count so good, but I am certain that is NOT 4,000 people on that list. Maybe the article and list is biased to reflect the opinion of that person writing it? Whodathunkit, especially here on TTAG?

         Also, there is dumb shit on that list like “ARMED HABITUAL CRIMINAL”. Pretty vague, no? Or how about Attempted Murder? Do you honestly believe that “self defense” cases cannot be changed into such a charge? Who the fuck are you to judge? Glad you think our justice system is working. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

         Look, I am not defending these people, especially not specifically. But I am certainly calling bullshit on the articles agenda. Regardless of the left extremists and their agenda, this is just the right assuming they are people who should not reintegrate. It would be amazing to see someone like you completely fucked by the system, only to realize that innocence must be bought a majority of the time.

       • It is fascinating to see all these anti-government right wingers suddenly decide that every single citizen in prison totally deserves to be there.

         So none of these prisoners were the victims of government overreach, prosecutorial misconduct or law enforcement corruption?

         I’m glad to see so much faith in the criminal justice system by the 2A supporters, just remember that when they knock on your door to take you.

       • Miner49er: You have my endorsement for the Ministry of Love when the time comes…. you know?…. the time ;).

         Together, we can finally come up with solutions for this redneck problem we’re having and make the trains run on time ;).

         Eric Swalwell 2020

     • You’ve dune time or have something to do the criminal justice system just a guess.

       • suspicious (dirtbag)fisherman. 4,000 Four thousand that’s a very big number and they all got into jail by mistake and all need a second chance and I know the system has not been fare to them. The idiot in charge thinks the same or has an agenda. Well someone is going to pay for this great plan and it will be an innocent child, grandparent, mother, father who just wanted to enjoy their lives which is a challenge for us all these days. But they will pay the price for this insanity not you because you got lots of anger to go around. Your perp

       • Yea, I did time… for uncle sam.

         And Hunter 427: Wut? I got plenty of common sense to go around. Catch some. If you payed attention, I said no doubt the majority of criminals more than likely deserved the punishment, and that indeed the recent release was not a good thing, but I certainly won’t group everyone doing time in a failed justice system by a one sentence description.

         • I plenty of common Sense to know who you are. A Troll who will lie all day

         • I have plenty of common Sense to know who you are. A Troll who will lie all day long

2. Check this out from today’s news. Congressional House Dems want AG Barr to “release as many inmates as possible”. I sure hope Mr. & Mrs. America are paying attention and will help to clean house (hah! get it?) this November.

   https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-on-house-judiciary-committee-call-for-release-of-as-many-prisoners-as-possible-due-to-coronavirus-pandemic

   • Haz,

     Yup…because we put them folk in there…had nothing to do with them earning it.

     When you decide to commit armed robbery, sexual assault, or any violent crime, you are accepting the risk of time in prison as well as all the risks of prison life. I doubt any of those felons would have been deterred had someone told them they might catch a serious illness while behind bars.

     Dem party is out to subvert everything good about this country.

     Not saying the elephants are pure-minded, incorruptible, selfless patriots. We’ve seen the evil they can do, also.

     Still, Trump/Pence 2020.

     • Nobody cares who you are voting for.

       And your self defense case can EASILY be turned into a violent crime.

       • Oh, I have to agree with these posters, every person charged by the police and prosecuted by the DA clearly is guilty.

         It is heartwarming to see so much support for the government agents on this 2A forum, I’m glad they support the government’s system of incarceration.

       • Typically this is done by left wing prosecutors who turn lawful self defense into assult on these poor criminals. While I agree the Justice system needs a huge overhaul and victimless crimes need to go away. But releasing thousands of people accused and or convicted of serious crimes is going to create a crime wave. This is common sense, if the Governor wants to pull this stunt than any reoffender should also have him as a codefendant as he created the problem.

   • Libertarians Liberals and the Left are on record saying the release of these inmates is a good thing. For years they have complained that the United States has too many people locked up. They got their wish. The Three L’s also support open borders. Allowing child molesters and other criminals to come and go as they please.

     • And they still truly believe if criminals are treated with kindness they will see the error of their ways and reform themselves into productive members of society.

       All pigs fed and ready to fly

       They are shocked, truly shocked, when criminals return to crime. Even during a global pandemic.

     • No only you are on record for Libertarians wanting to release criminals. Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking: https://www.lp.org/issues/crime-and-justice/

       You Retardicans never learn but what else is new.

3. Beans, bullets, and bandages folks! By the time the libs implement their full agenda, you will not recognize this country. And yes, that IS the plan!!!

   • They have been saying that since the revolution.

4. “Why Americans are buying guns…”

   Because we can, no other reason needed.

5. Yep….just 70 miles up the pike here in Wisconsin……..we have several acronyms for the Il. folk…..but this is quite a list. Like I needed another reason to CCW in this day-n-age.

6. I didn’t buy a gun but I’ve got a metric buttload of .45 cal. 280 gr. Keith type cast bullets and some hard cast 315 gr WFN’s enroute… either one is pretty much a one size fits all solution to a number of life’s problems.

   • RGP,

     Assuming that means you already have a firearm. 😃

     • It just so happens that it was lost in a tragic turn of events…

       • RGP,

         My, my!! Then you won’t be needing them bullets. If you send them my way, I will gladly pay the postage.

         😉

       • Did your canoe tip over on the lake on the way to the lake house? I know a lot of people that has happened to. The canoe makers should be sued for making a defective product.

       • Lifesaver. I got .45 acp bullets and haven’t owned a .45 in years.

         I plan on inserting them manually into the bad guy.

         • ” I plan on inserting them manually into the bad guy. ”

           Where, precisely?

       • Here’s a hint, Sam. I got rubber gloves that go up to my elbow.

7. I did not see any of my relatives on that list, so, I guess they are all still safely locked up. (Just kidding…no place is safe with them).

   Anyone know if Republican run states are sponsoring jailbreaks?

   As for the Democrat administrations: 😱

   • I’m in Texas and I’ve been told that some of the lefty cities here have released some people from the jails. I don’t have any verification of this though.

   • Republicans pardon inmates the same as democrats do. Your party is not special.

   • I live in Nebraska, the governor is not releasing any here.

   • Well, Republican Kentucky governor Matt Bevins did release 600 inmates, many of them violent criminals including child molesters.

     But of course, no one on this list wanted to talk about that because it would show that their narrative is incorrect.

     • Okay…. well, screw that guy too. Put them all back. What’s your point?

       • The point was very clear. That it’s neither subject to a single party. Do you need a crayon and pop-up book to follow along?

8. Just had the police warn us yesterday that a fellow arrested as a serial rapist and kidnapper had his bail dropped from 2.5 million to ) because the judge was concerned with him getting the beer virus.

   Un fucking believable.

9. “Rocky Lee Music”? Everyone knows no jail can hold him bygad.

10. hmmm…maybe if these folks encounter one of these prisoners in person…with no bars between them…they might think differently
    let the lawsuits begin….

11. The same democratic shiitholes that are releasing prisoners are the restriction gun owners

12. Why all the sturm and drang over emptying the prisons? You gotta have space for all the people who violate house arrest, and refuse social distancing.

    • Sam,

      I know that was sarcastic, but that may, in fact, be the Dem’s plan, devils that they are. 👿

      • “I know that was sarcastic, but that may, in fact, be the Dem’s plan, devils that they are.”

        Agree. That’s why the idea should be ridiculed to extinction.

    • It’s really quite simple: release the prisoners because they might get covid 19 in jail. Then jail the citizens for walking on their front lawn, going to the beach or park, because they might get covid 19.

      Get it? Every liberal understands this. Why can’t you?

      Because the REAL PROGRAM is to destroy America. That is the REAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY PROGRAM.

      • ” It’s really quite simple: release the prisoners because they might get covid 19 in jail. Then jail the citizens for walking on their front lawn, going to the beach or park, because they might get covid 19. Get it? Every liberal understands this. Why can’t you? ”

        Hhhhmmmm. Thought my observation was based on the process you describe; the need to put resisters in jail.

    • Reported for not obeying. But seriously, please keep your distance from me. I do honestly kind of like the whole social distancing thing. There is no need to be all up in someones personal space, especially in line (like at the grocery store, when you can just feel someone breathing down your neck). They should apply the same rules to vehicles. Mine is wearing a face mask already, so please keep your distance. No joke I saw an older bronco with a surgical mask attached to the grille. Pretty funny.

      • You need a mask because your anus is located directly below your nose.

        • So mature. By chance, do you live in Montana?

        • Speaking on the subject you brought up, your anus is about an inch away from your vagina, seems like a bad idea.

          Just an example of some of that ‘intelligent design’ everyone speaks so highly of.

13. We’re going to look back on these days and, oh well nevermind

14. 90% of these people are no joke. If they get a hold of some unarmed The View watching pilgrim there may not be a second chance for the pilgrim.
    I once went to a Wal-Mart with LE friend and as we walked around he pointed out the people he had once arrested for this and that crime. No murderers but just about everything else.
    These criminal coddling democRats will get you robbed, raped or killed faster than Nancy Pelosi can open her freezer full of expensive ice cream.
    Based on the demented antics of the democRat Party over the past 4 years it is crucial to elect President Donald John Trump for another 4 years.
    BTW…Spoiled brats that come on a pro rights forum and bash the POTUS are nothing more than useful idiots putting a sht grin on the democRat Party.

    • lol fuck you. Pro rights forum? What fucken kool-aid you been drinking? It’s The Truth About Guns, not the Truth About The Republican Party. Good god. Naive people and their politics. So Funny. BTW, your LE friend was a tyrant.

      • In order to f you need more than a potty mouth and a tater tot peewee. This is a rights forum. Constitutional Rights you politically inept mealy mouth worthless twerp.

        • “Exploring the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns.”

          Just checked, obviously politics is part of it… but don’t get mad when someone disagrees with your undying allegiance to one human being over the bigger picture that is government corruption and calls you out on it. Funny how all the Obama supporters are criticized by you, but the second a fellow white criticizes you for thinking Trump gives a fuck about you, it’s someone who is against the constitution?

          Ok.

          Or someone who sees majority of law enforcement for what they actually do, and it’s certainly not protecting your rights or keeping you safe. That is no ones job but yours. It is their job to manipulate and enforce the law in their favor so it can be prosecuted in criminal court. Plain and fucking simple. Just as the red coats did for King George. Just as the SS did for Hitler. And so on throughout the world history of tyranny and it’s enforcers.

          You take the kings shillings, you do the kings bidding. No doubt about it the company you keep, is that exact company, and they loved doing it too.

        • But I still fail to see how you gather “rights forum” from any of that. If you are in fact talking about the 2nd, the yes. But it does not exist for reasons you or your FUDD tyrants think it does.

          Do you support domestic terrorism? Or should I say, patriotism? Funny how the definition is the same, unless you ask the Government. Domestic terrorism or homegrown terrorism is a form of terrorism in which victims “within a country are targeted by a perpetrator with the same citizenship” as the victims. So, government officials? Political representatives? Only, the current manipulation the government would have you believe is that its directly towards innocents. This is true for some forms of terrorism, but when referring to patriotism, or national pride is the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment. Which obviously, could mean dissent from the government, the same as the loosely defined “terrorist”. Right? Do you think the government sees militias as patriots? So how do you think the patriots see your beloved law enforcement?

          Again, it literally has nothing to do with your beloved president, and covers the whole spectrum. From clinton, to bush, to obama, to reagan, to JFK, to fucking Andrew Jackson and the orangutan himself, your Trump. Not sure about you, but I fought for their oil and saw all I needed to see on how our government operates. Support them all you want. I prefer to support actual patriots, and actual freedom.

15. IL released 4000 criminals from prison? That’s nothing. Chicago doesn’t bother putting them into prison in the first place.

    • Ralph,

      We can always count on you for perspctive!!
      Nicely done, sir!

    • They’ll blend in perfectly lol. It’s up to the law abiding citizen in IL to adjust, to turn their lives around and become felons.

16. “Why Americans Are Buying Guns: Illinois Has Released Nearly 4000 Prison Inmates’

    Ya Think !

    • And I don’t understand why any State is doing this….makes no sense to release violent criminals before they serve their conviction out. Virus or no virus there is an agenda behind this and it doesn’t involve compassion or health care….imo

      • The answer you seek can be summed up in four words “medical costs” and “classaction lawsuits”.

        And some enterprising lawyers could probably make some 8A violations out of it too. Hell, they might even be right in some cases.

        • Common sense and decency on these forums is not allowed sir. You blame the left now or you get a slap n’ tickle.

      • “The Bureau of Prisons on Friday said that 70% of the inmates the Bureau has tested have come back positive for COVID-19.

        But the Bureau says that it doesn’t reflect the positive rate across the entire BOP system which houses 146,000 prisoners in 122 facilities.

        The BOP says they’ve tested “roughly 2,700 inmates.”

        • Ok? You keep posting this why? Are you shocked that a highly contagious virus would sweep through the prison system? This isn’t news to most of us. Diseases rapidly spreading through prison has been an issue since, well, prisons were invented. So get on with your rant about how Trump did this 🙄

17. That’s a lot of time the officers there put in for absolutely nothing. Not to mention tax dollars.

    • That’s the system. Handle keeps turning, with or without the flu

18. d May 1, 2020 at 15:39 and Debbie May 1, 2020 at 16:01 , say.

    There you go, to more assholes heard from.

    • In order for me to assist you I need coherent sentences that explain your complaint. Your “to” could be 2 or too, who knows?
      Made in America is associated with quality and you need to represent that quality with coherent sentences sans the texting stuff if that’s what it is.

      TRUMP/PENCE 2020.

19. Well I bought some (affordable!)223 and an AR mag for $10 yesterday in Griffith,Indiana. Gas was $1.59 a gallon at a decent brand. I’ve been “gettin’ ready” for quite awhile Boch. Our obese billionaire govner was fairly upset at those protesting in Chiraq. Same old same old…

    • I am quite sure that all these critters that have been released will repent and join the Peace Corps. Oh, I almost forgot, I have a great deal on a bridge if you act now !

      • Peace Corps, paceful corpse, piece of corpse…

        At the end of the day what’s the difference? Just call 1800SERVPRO for all your dispatches thug removal needs.

        • Or you can make a dinner reservation like John Wick. Hopefully Illinois will have a lot of dinner reservations. Or they can just take them to the city dump and drop them off. Or to the Governor’s office and drop them on the front steps.

20. Well if you have to dispatch one of these animals it’s going to look better in court. The DA might not want to go to court and explain why a shit bag was allowed iut.

21. Sorry, I don’t own guns because of the criminals. I own guns because of men like Little Andy Beshear and his state (secret) police who took down license plates of people at church services.

    • When you get drug off into some back alley and raped to death by one of these monsters you’ll be signin a different tune.

      And that tune will sound something like a pig squealing.

    • Well, it wasn’t Andy Beshear who pardoned 600 violent criminals. That would be Republican governor Matt Bevins.

      Especially interesting is the fact that he pardoned a man who raped a nine-year-old girl, because as the Republican governor said, her hymen was intact.

      • Wow. With Republicans like that, who needs Democrats? Soooooo…. are you considering becoming a Republican or something? You defend Democrats when they do this and attack Republicans when they do the same thing. You sound like a (D) party hack rather than a person who argues from a consistent moral basis.

        • I have not defended Republicans or Democrats for releasing prisoners.

          But I have suggested there may be circumstances surrounding the particular persons released that make an early release appropriate.

          I do find it interesting that so many on this list ready to blindly accept the decisions of law enforcement and the criminal justice system without question.

22. The DUI and drug charges don’t bother me.

    The fact that the vast majority of those charges really are violent though is somehow both shocking and unsurprising at the same time.

    The number of people charged with (and convicted of) home invasion is quite troubling given current circumstances.

    • Yeah, something else is happening there. I’d be inclined to release most everybody not charged with a violent crime.

      I’d want to keep the ones that prey on people locked up. and if they just so happen to catch a nasty bug…

      Oh, well… 🙂

      • They done caught it.

        “The Bureau of Prisons on Friday said that 70% of the inmates the Bureau has tested have come back positive for COVID-19.

        But the Bureau says that it doesn’t reflect the positive rate across the entire BOP system which houses 146,000 prisoners in 122 facilities.

        The BOP says they’ve tested “roughly 2,700 inmates.”

    • Excellent observation, I don’t think it’s a coincidence either. Felons arrested on home invasion charges usually don’t make the majority.

    • Unless its like a 6th offense DUI lol. That’s just reckless as fuck. But drug crimes are very loosely defined. Possession charges doesn’t mean much either. What if they legalized up to a gram of cocaine, but never traveling with it… really no different than Marijuana usage in that sense. Or alcohol for that matter. I dunno, just do what you do and stay off the fucking road lol.

      • Agreed I have little sympathy for those who get repeated DUI. Your right to get shit housed ends at my right of travel.

        • This is dumb, who exactly did this person hurt by driving drunk? DWI should be a secondary charge, only after someone has been harmed. Precrime goes directly against the BOR not to mention the unintended consequences look at red flag laws. Amazes me how much Retardicans love being told how to run their lives, almost as much as Democrats.

        • You are driving impaired. Operating any machinery while other people are on the road under the influence? Sorry dude. No. Even if you don’t hurt anyone, who knows how many people had to alter their driving to avoid the idiot swerving all over the road. You cannot actually justify driving under the influence as a freedom. Not even I will go that far. A horse in the wild west, maybe. A horse carriage, probably not. Pretty sure they are both the same threat as soon as you involve other people in your path.

    • The list doesn’t have any information about the amount of time they had served on their sins.

      Many of these release programs specify that the individuals must be within one year of their scheduled release date.

      The article fails to give this information because it would work against their agenda of fear mongering.

23. There is no such thing as a nonviolent criminal. There criminals who got a plea bargain to a lesser offense, i.e, people in the Big House on drug charges; violent felons who just got caught for a non violent offense and criminals who have yet to find a need to use violence to get what he wants. Any person who will take your stuff is willing to use violence if he has to.

    • Bernie Madoff was an OG thug ready to call some hard, pipe hittin’ ni**as to work you over the a pair of pliers and a blowtorch?

      Who knew!?

      • What makes you think Madoff wouldn’t put out a contract on someone? Because he was a nice Jewish boy?

        • The dude who gets locked up for rolling a stop sign or a bag of weed is violent?

      • “…some hard, pipe hittin’ ni**as to work you over the a pair of pliers and a blowtorch?”

        To this day, when I walk into a pawn shop I’ve neve been in before, I try and find out if it has a basement. For some reason.

        “Bring out the Gimp.” “The Gimp’s sleeping.” ” Well, I guess you’re gonna have to go wake him up now, won’t you?”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kPqAV_74M

    • Drug crimes disagree. Especially ones that are now legalized.

24. Those nurses make me think of those teachers who spend more time whining about Trump, talking about gender diversity whatever, LGBTQ propaganda….anything except doing their actual job.

25. How about covering the red flag raids going on in Colorado currently. Would be nice to get some actual 2nd supporters on this forum.

26. So glad to see Alpaccino Coleman has been let out. Carjacking? YOU’RE OUT OF ORDER! Was his accomplice named Bobdeniro Washington?

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